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Crayton Rothschild	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:14:00 - [1] So.. i absolutely love Rokh ship. I think it looks uber to say the least. I'm new player with 0.5 billion cash and all training skills trained. I'm amarr and will concentrate on armor tanking and in amarr BS's. So for mission running i was thinking about training Rokh, since it looks awesom. In pvp abbadon since its good armor tank, or so i heard. Now i would make the Rokh, armor tank and with lasers. How bad idea would this be, should i consider shield tanking and what kind of setup you would suggest for pve? Ty
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:18:00 - [2] Might have more luck armor tanking a Scorpion/Raven, although still not a good or efficient idea. _
Alexander Nexus	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:20:00 - [3] Trolls FTW! Either that or you just bought your toon off ebay and realized you got the wrong race...
Crayton Rothschild	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:23:00 - [4] Not a troll, just new player. So should i train shield tanking then? Also what about the lasers, is it possible to make it work effectivly with lasers? If so could someone give me good setup please?
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 01/10/2008 19:35:33 Originally by: Crayton Rothschild Not a troll, just new player. So should i train shield tanking then? Also what about the lasers, is it possible to make it work effectivly with lasers? If so could someone give me good setup please? It is probably possible to make an armor tanking laser firing rokh for missions. It wont be efficient compared to other options tho. The problems you will face : - Powergrid problem fitting the laser and armor reps - Cap issues firing the lasers Id probably try to make it work with laser and shields rather than armor. Still probly wont hit as hard as with railguns, since you get an optimal range bonus, increasing range of high dmg ammo. But, I think you should give it a go just for the fun of it, after all, thats what games are made for isnt it ? Post your setup here if you make it work.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:37:00 - [6] In a RR gang yes. Normally/Fleet - no. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Arana Tellen Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:38:00 - [7] If it can outperform 8x425mm railguns loaded with antimatter with 3 damage mods at 54km, sure go for it. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.01 21:46:00 - [8] Just get an Apoc In general you should fit your ships to take advantage of the bonuses they have been given.
Cyb3r Thr3at The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:40:00 - [9] Train fer Megathron or Hyperion.. waaaay better! :)
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:48:00 - [10] Join Morsus Mihi and you can fit whatever you like to your Rokh. I hear they are recruiting anyone who has a ship left. sXe
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:54:00 - [11] I understand your desire to throw all common sense to the wind and fit the wrong weapons and tank on a ship because it looks good. But since you think the Rokh looks better than the Apoc or Abaddon(which is your reason for using it instead), you're a complete fool. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
The Vixen Gallente DataPipe Industries	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:56:00 - [12] This thread delivers. Ship bonuses? What are those? I want to know how this story developed. A 'new player'... with 500M 'cash' (ISK) can fly a Rokh ship, yet... his character is Amarr so he's going to 'concentrate on armor tanking and in amarr BS's.' First off: Your character race means absolutely nothing. There are no racial bonuses, so its just a FACE and how your attributes pan out and maybe the skills you start with... but if you can fly a Rohk, then you should be well past this process.. Any race can fly any ship and there are no penalties in learning to pilot other races ships... Second: If you're going Amarr BS, then why would you even bother with a ship from another race? Just because it looks cool, doesnt mean it IS cool... and I promise you... if you armor tank a Rohk with lasers... I want to be there when you undock, so I can LMFAO. Then we're going to duel to Hull and stop... then you'll go sob. Holy wall of text batman. This guy is hilarious. Must be russian or something. Dude, just wait it out, train up Amarr Battleships for an Apoc, get your laser skills and call it quits. If youre going to try to PVP you need to stick in the same race+ship bonus areas.
The Vixen Gallente DataPipe Industries	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Arthur Frayn I understand your desire to throw all common sense to the wind and fit the wrong weapons and tank on a ship because it looks good. But since you think the Rokh looks better than the Apoc or Abaddon(which is your reason for using it instead), you're a complete fool. If thats his reasoning, then he just needs to go Caldari with an (Amarr character. Def not unheard of) IN this case: just learn your Missile skills and call it decided!
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.10.02 03:03:00 - [14] why bother, 3 MFS in the low's means your shield tanking skills can be dodgy at best to sail most misions. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:01:00 - [15] 1) You will not fit lasers and armor repairers, or have troubles with that. 2) You will insta-cap. Rokh, as every other caldari ship, is very cap-deficient. It can run the biggest railguns for several minutes with Tungsten or Iridium. It caps in 3-4 minutes using Antimatter or Spike in them. Can you imagine HOW FAST it will cap-out with lasers? Even Amarr ships have to manage cap carefully with those. Forget it. --- Redesign local/scanner feature - make the place huge, dark and scary again!
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:15:00 - [16] You'll also get useless DPS if you devote 4 out of 5 lowslots to a tank. Perhaps you could fit 6 cap rechargers in the mids, but it won't really help you tank. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:32:00 - [17] While one can certainly cram lasers onto the Rokh and one could certainly build a somewhat adequate armor tank, attempting to combine the two is basically an impossible task for any fit approaching a reasonable price (and I have my doubts even a EFT warrior fit could actually make something that works). While the armor tank simply won't really happen without a serious compromise of the fitting for PVE (you end up with a flimsy tank and pitiful damage), one can indeed create a fitting that uses lasers at the 50 - 60 KM range that the AM rokh is normally judged by for such scenarios. Without absolute TOP notch skills, it's virtually impossible to make everything fit without resorting to faction gear. Even with perfect skills, the fit below requires a 1% pg implant. [Rokh, Laser LoLz] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L Mega Beam Laser II, Ultraviolet L [empty high slot] Energy Discharge Elutriation I Energy Discharge Elutriation I Energy Discharge Elutriation I Hammerhead II x5 On the up side, it tanks about as well as your average Rokh (even better if you consider your sustained effeciency), and the only ammo it consumes are cap booster charges (and it will absolutely DEVOUR them - indeed without the booster you simply cap out on guns and harders in short order), and it actually provides superior DPS at close ranges (higher pure DPS and better tracking). At 50km or so it just BARELY edges out the Rokh's damage - beyond that the standard rail rokh wins hands down. So, it can be made to work - I would just have to question WHY. IT takes 3 fitting mods to make something approaching workable, when a similar fit on an Amarrian ship would require perhaps one, and the ship won't just cap out on it's guns alone either. At the very least it's an odd approach. I might even give it a shot when I finish training my own laser skills, but I'm going to simply assume I'll quickly find I'm better served sticking those guns on a ship designed to mount such guns.
Birkinz Caldari Mitsukashi Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:41:00 - [18] Your best bet is to pasive shield tank it and use 4 missiles and 4 tachyon. I used to do this before the torp changes and it was ok. The dps will be lacking but the tank was great. I havnt tried it for a looooong time, but if it fits you could put 1 heat sink and 1 bcu so you get no stacking penalty.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.02 07:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Warrio Join Morsus Mihi and you can fit whatever you like to your Rokh. I hear they are recruiting anyone who has a ship left. sick-burn high five o/\o Awesome EVE history
Crayton Rothschild	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:22:00 - [20] First of all i'm bit sad about some of the replies i got, people laughing. How the hell should i know? I have been playing eve for few hours, sold a GTC and only been training my learning skills. People should be more newbie friendly here, we are not all professors of eve. Immersion is important for me, if i can manage Rokh in pve and i like how it looks then i will train for it, its not for pvp. I like ships in Caldari, but i like more ships in Amarr. So i will train for both. I will train abbadon for pvp and Rokh for pve. I'm sure the Rokh will suck alot, but i will like the looks of it while grind missions, thats only thing that counts for me. Yes the missions might go very slow, but i don't care. If i want to kill someone, i jump in the abbadon, would prolly fail badly. I heard that eve has a mature community, does not look any more mature than disneys pirates. Sad...
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:35:00 - [21] Edited by: P''uck on 02/10/2008 09:35:05 even when running missions, you will spend a lot of time zoomed out, NOT looking at your ship. Also, the rokh, in space is TINY. like a cruiser, almost. So, why not just look at your planned skilltraining and try to find a ship that's somehwat close to what you gonna train. I think the abaddon is a decent mission boat, also it looks a lot better than the rokh, maybe you wanna try that. Or even give the gallente BS lineup a look, it's closer to your amarr pvp plans. The dominix for instance could be used for pve, while you polish up your droneskills, which are useful for every race. And if you ignore it's gun bonus you COULD fit it with lasers and armortank, and still be more efficient than a rokh fit the same way. I only see one use for an armortanked rokh: in pvp, if you get rr'ed and/or wanna fill your meds with ewar. I dont really see a use in putting lasers on it. So basically you picked the worst tool for the job, you picked a tool so bad that it's probably a better idea to get a different tool, instead of trying to find out how to use that hammer as a screwdriver. (edit: mature enough?)
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Artemis Rose on 02/10/2008 09:57:25 If you absolutely must put lasers on it, I would recommend shield tanking it and cram your lows with damage mods. Don't waste both of your ship bonuses! EDIT: On second thought, you'll have nowhere near enough grid to pull it off though. Even the Armageddon has more grid. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Crayton Rothschild	Posted - 2008.10.02 10:55:00 - [23] Ok let's start again then, so what Battleship is best for Lasers and armor tank? OR Laser and shield tank. I think i must drop the Rokh then... I heard that Abbadon can have so awesom armor tank, that people trying to break it, burst into tears, so is it true that abbadon has the best armor tanking opportunity in the game?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Crayton Rothschild Ok let's start again then, so what Battleship is best for Lasers and armor tank? Armageddon, Apocalypse, Abaddon, Apocalypse Navy Issue, Paladin Quote: OR Laser and shield tank. Nightmare Quote: so is it true that abbadon has the best armor tanking opportunity in the game? Active armor tanking award goes to the Hyperion, but the Abaddon does indeed have the best potential buffer tank of any BS, as far as I know. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:05:00 - [25] I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and reply to those post as if it were serious. The Rokh gets a shield resistance bonus that would be wasted if you tried to armor tank it. Because of its poor capacitor regen compared to Amarr and Gallente ships that were designed to be armor tanked, it wouldn't be able to run its armor repairers for very long, and because armor tanking focuses on low slots rather than mid slots you wouldn't be able to devote very many slots to tanking because it doesn't have them. The Rokh also gets a bonus to hybrid turret optimal range. That means that it gets a bonus that only railguns and blasters can benefit from, no other types of guns. So, essentially, unless you are shield tanking it and fitting either railguns or blasters to it (railguns are better for the rokh), you are completely wasting the ship and it will serve as nothing more than an expensive (and embarrassing) loss.
Tharim Villains	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Crayton Rothschild Ok let's start again then, so what Battleship is best for Lasers and armor tank? OR Laser and shield tank. I think i must drop the Rokh then... I heard that Abbadon can have so awesom armor tank, that people trying to break it, burst into tears, so is it true that abbadon has the best armor tanking opportunity in the game? Thing is, you can do whatever you like in this game. But the skills you need to actually be good, and feel some kind of development takes alot of time. That is why you must have (or should have) some kind of idea of what race, weaponsystem and tanking system you want to train in the beginning. If you want to go amarr, you need to train for armor tanking and lasers, and some drone skills. And you need to stick to that for a good while before you start crosstraining into other stuff like shield tank, missiles, hybrids and (if your into sm) projectile. The good thing with amarr is that you eventually can get into a Nightmare, wich is shieldtanking,lasershooting sexyness. But before that you get to try the Armageddon, Apoc and Abaddon wich are all armor tankers. I personally thinks the Abaddon is one of the more betterlooking ships in the game, and atleast with my skills i can afk a level 4 mission with the tank it got. THey also doesnt use ammo, wich means no reloading wich is good if your lazy as i am. So, since your obviously just looking for a advice, and young as you are you belived that you would get it from the forum clowns...ill give you one: Train amarr, and stay focused.

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