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Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:02:00 - [1] Since reading some topics today...I ask the subject question and some follow on questions: Is anyone a target? (your thoughts) Why do PvP'ers attack NOOB Ships? any point in it? Have, you ever let a peron come back and retrieve his/her items? Lastly, I have seen the Alliance Map...Are these Zones (Areas) on 24/7 Guard? How, do you have watch rotation? Feel free to add more...Answer..whatever...
Nightfang	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:12:00 - [2] Point in attacking NOOB ships: Noob ships have a cargobay of 100+, thus being able to carry 10k Megacyte and/or Zydrine. If noone were to shoot these, people would begin transporting valuables in them at little risk. Noobs in 0.0 are often not genuine noobs, but rather alts spying or something else. Whatever that "else"-business is, it's business gaining someone you don't want to have gains. Thus they die. What justifies them life over others in lawless space when in all honesty they are used for fishy business 95% of the time?
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:16:00 - [3] Wouldn't a Cargo Scanner tell ya if they were carry Meg or Zyd? Understand the other item..(i.e the spying)...
Nightfang	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:18:00 - [4] Why carry a cargoscanner when you can just tear it open? Cargoscanner means sacrificing a slot you have very much need for in a tight situation...
Isiana	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Isiana on 21/06/2004 16:23:03 Cargo scanners take time, Time is not something you have much of when the target is aproaching the gate - And as Nightfang pointed out, Noob ships often Carry Mega, Zyd or BP's, its nothing new, Myself caught a noobship carrying an F-90 sensor booster Also, its fun see things go BOOM no mather they have cargo or not Carebear\|Me Alts
Rodge	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Vigilant Wouldn't a Cargo Scanner tell ya if they were carry Meg or Zyd? Understand the other item..(i.e the spying)... A cargo scanner takes up a medium slot. If you're outfitting for PvP, every slot is vital to your setup. You don't want to waste a slot scanning n00b ships that are flying about. If I saw n00b ships flying about 0.0, I'd probably ignore them unless they behave like spies (sitting watching a gate camp). If they came into CA space, then they'd be treated like the spies they likely are and treated to a quick trip back to their cloning bay. Not everyone is a target in 0.0, for our corp anyway. Any alliance or corp enemy is KOS everywhere, of course. But outside of CA space, anyone neutral will be ignored. Unless they fire first. [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:24:00 - [7] Noob ships in 0.0 space are usually always spies. That is why they die. The "Standings" feature is there for a purpose and that allows us to determine who dies and who flies. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Nightfang	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:26:00 - [8] By the way, if you didn't know or figured it out already, I'm speaking out of a pirate's point of view
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Noob ships in 0.0 space are usually always spies. That is why they die. The "Standings" feature is there for a purpose and that allows us to determine who dies and who flies. So, if a person does NOT have bad standing toward your corp. and does not fire? Then most of the time they are free to fly thru ? Is this about right? Ty...
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:29:00 - [10] Yes it exists, since there are honorable opponents. But everybody fights to win, and that doesn't always involve the most honorable of methods. Depends on who you are, for a pirate? yes anyone and everyone. See above. lol, that would kind off make pirating useless ( or the very least a lot less profitable ). Find out. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:29:00 - [11] Speaking personally, if I had my way when we're camping P3E we'd kill anything orange or white. Possibly blue if they were **ing me off. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Valan	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:44:00 - [12] Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2004 17:49:07 Originally by: Vigilant Originally by: Joshua Calvert Noob ships in 0.0 space are usually always spies. That is why they die. The "Standings" feature is there for a purpose and that allows us to determine who dies and who flies. So, if a person does NOT have bad standing toward your corp. and does not fire? Then most of the time they are free to fly thru ? Is this about right? Ty... Nope all alts will be assumed to be spies by pirates and none pirates alike. Even by mining parties in a 0.3. If you do not comply with any requests (which is usually 'leave now') you'll be toasted on site. Compliance may save your skin but will not gain you entry. My advice is be nice follow advice given and you may make friends. EDIT Problem is most people don't chat in 0.0 cos some idiot usually doctors the log and then posts it on the boards.
promatolya	Posted - 2004.06.21 16:56:00 - [13] has any1 even tought about the fact that noobs usually dont hang out in 0.0... ive only met one real noob so far that hung out in 0.0 (for 20 min that was) he checked out a belt, to 1 laser mine, having no idea that there were that big rats... and if persons DO know that there is free to fire rule, and big ass rats, well, then they are no noobs... and most of times noobs dont have microwarp eather, and mess up local with friendly chat, waiting to die, so concluding from this all ==> any1 in 0.0 is not noob, and if they were, we just teach em that its dangerous out there, thats true, isnt it ...
Attrael	Posted - 2004.06.21 17:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Attrael on 21/06/2004 17:40:43 Edited by: Attrael on 21/06/2004 17:38:41 Be careful though. Some of us noobs are really top secret, government raised, tax funded, overambitious SUPER noobs! It's best to just ignore us when you see us because we can be extremely viscious when provoked. You see, when someone provokes us we use our super psychic psyche out powers to telepathically link to and control the minds of our would-be attackers. The minds of our targets are then filled with images of brightly colored carebears in a meadow frolicking merrily in the warm summer breeze. So real is the experience that our enemies are reduced to a calm, sedated state in which they can do no harm. So powerful is this psychic attack that the pilots targeted are left in a permanent vegetative state, their minds forever trapped in that meadow frolicking alongside the carebears. So, beware that noob ship you see in 0.0 space. It may just be one of us SUPER noobs and it's best to let us go our way.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.21 18:19:00 - [15] Edited by: Vigilant on 21/06/2004 18:21:25 Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2004 17:49:07 Originally by: Vigilant Originally by: Joshua Calvert Noob ships in 0.0 space are usually always spies. That is why they die. The "Standings" feature is there for a purpose and that allows us to determine who dies and who flies. So, if a person does NOT have bad standing toward your corp. and does not fire? Then most of the time they are free to fly thru ? Is this about right? Ty... Nope all alts will be assumed to be spies by pirates and none pirates alike. Even by mining parties in a 0.3. If you do not comply with any requests (which is usually 'leave now') you'll be toasted on site. Compliance may save your skin but will not gain you entry. My advice is be nice follow advice given and you may make friends. EDIT Problem is most people don't chat in 0.0 cos some idiot usually doctors the log and then posts it on the boards. Not completely a NOOB, but close (30 days rough in the game)...bascially, feeling out some people (u guys) to see if going into areas where Meg. or Zyd mining is possible...I like my ship in one piece , and I don't want to **** someone off, by entering there turf....I would actually like to make some friends who mined 0.0 to 0.3 and make some profit together... (Not being able to play till Thursday this week sucks btw...)
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.06.21 19:34:00 - [16] If I can get through a fight without any smacktalk, then I feel it was honorable.(which is pretty tough when they start taunting me...) But I don't hesitate to kill every ship I can, and pod kill them. And I never let anybody get their stuff, unless it was a mistake to kill them in the first place (they were a friend of a friend or something). I have had some very honorable fights though. Fair fights, some won, some lost, where both sides agreed that the victor did some nice shooting, and the loser didn't whine or complain. Those are the fights I like the best. But they are rare.
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2004.06.21 20:10:00 - [17] there is no honorable pvp ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
Lord banks	Posted - 2004.06.21 20:38:00 - [18] when i gatecamp for hours and dont see anybody im ready to shoot any thing
Gyrn Fzirth	Posted - 2004.06.21 21:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 21/06/2004 21:04:31 Originally by: Pa1nbringr there is no honorable pvp I disagree. I've had plenty of fights where people fought bravely with lack of smacktalk, win or lose, and didn't use any pansy tactics or exploits. Some names: Marichek Zeroh name removed - remembered a logon-gank of a corp mate of mine There are several VotF guys I'd put here, too, as well as some TeddyBears. Pirates, the lot, but for the most part honorable pirates. =============== Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:25:00 - [20] Nice to see so many diffrent points of view on this subject.....Just would be nice to be able to enter some low security space and not be completely paranoid...I know, you should be always be a bit paranoid.... ...
jeNK	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:38:00 - [21] Having no pvp experience myself (well I have had a couple of fights but nothing special) I am only going by assumption that it is like all forms of pvp play (be it an FPS game, or another RPG) that if both parties involved do not whine, smacktalk or make excuses before or after, then it is an 'honorable' fight. For the original poster, I assume you are just looking for somewhere to mine without being ganked by a player pirate. If this is the case, some alliances/corps have a ticket system where you can purchase 'time' spent in an aliiances/corps area for mining/npc hunting or just travelling through.
zeroh	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 21/06/2004 21:04:31 Originally by: Pa1nbringr there is no honorable pvp I disagree. I've had plenty of fights where people fought bravely with lack of smacktalk, win or lose, and didn't use any pansy tactics or exploits. Some names: Marichek Zeroh name removed - remembered a logon-gank of a corp mate of mine There are several VotF guys I'd put here, too, as well as some TeddyBears. Pirates, the lot, but for the most part honorable pirates. w0oot im mention yay i also want to say that alot of ppl dont give honorable fight but celest has kept their word with me everytime a duel has been challenged win or lose http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Vigilant Since reading some topics today...I ask the subject question and some follow on questions: Is anyone a target? (your thoughts) Yes unless we have some kind of prior agreement... Why do PvP'ers attack NOOB Ships? any point in it? There are no true noobs out in 0.0 .. only alts which are used to spy on your numbers, ship classes etc. Have, you ever let a peron come back and retrieve his/her items? Yes... after I have took what I wanted, and they didnt try to log off. Lastly, I have seen the Alliance Map...Are these Zones (Areas) on 24/7 Guard? How, do you have watch rotation? No 24/7 guard. Bring out blob them and they will run, also usually jsut before and after downtime the doors are wide open... just watch the map and use common sense. Feel free to add more...Answer..whatever... ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
zeroh	Posted - 2004.06.22 18:52:00 - [24] Since reading some topics today...I ask the subject question and some follow on questions: Is anyone a target? (your thoughts) A. Everyone is my target unless we had some sort of agreement earlier Why do PvP'ers attack NOOB Ships? any point in it? A. noob ships are normally spies and they can carry valuables also it nice just ot grab the corpse and see that nice boom effect Have, you ever let a peron come back and retrieve his/her items? A.If i taken all i wanted and havent popped the can and he asked nicely sure Lastly, I have seen the Alliance Map...Are these Zones (Areas) on 24/7 Guard? How, do you have watch rotation? A. They arent just use the map but the initial jump in system isnt the last of your problems Feel free to add more...Answer..whatever... http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
RAGED	Posted - 2004.06.22 19:42:00 - [25] I just like shootin stuff if i can get a lock in ontime the frig dies and @ the end of the day i can laugh @ the dead guy and bask in my uber sec status, come 2 think of i i like sec hits lolol
Jet Jagowrath	Posted - 2004.06.22 23:48:00 - [26] Ive had honourable fights with dishonourable people, so there is hope for everyone... JJx King Jadrut of The Alliance That Kicks Your Arse Very Badly And Whoops You Like You've Never Seen Before, TATKYAVBAWYLYNSB for short, owns all Jove space, stay away or bad things will happen to you and your hamsters and/or gerbils mmmk La Maison de tous les plaisirs - Where politics and pleasure meet...
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.06.23 02:26:00 - [27] I know if its CA space if it aint CA ya pod it....
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:11:00 - [28] IF you are a N00b and you face some pirates in 0.0, just convo them while you are cloaked after jump or if you spot them in local chat and tell them you are a n00b. Don¦t try to warp or mwd away. The pirates i know wouln¦d kill you if they have some time to check who you are. At least they won¦t lie and tell you to let you go while firing when you uncloak. Can¦t say what alliance navys will do - i think they love their roids soooooooooooooooooo much, that they will kill you.
Caeneus	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:16:00 - [29] It's quite a tricky topic, really you need to define honour. Noob ships themselves are not a combat threat (but I've heard a couple of those civvie rails can be quite nasty ), but an analogy could be used. You are standing at a road block in say Iraq, a civilian car is driving down the road towards you at a moderate speed and does not respond to any signals to pull over. Do you engage? Is it honourable for a military unit to engage non military personal. No obviously an ibis hurtling toward you at a whopping 300m/s isnt gonna explode at the gate and blow up yourself and your buddies but the overall situation is similar. Combine that with the fact they could be transporting thousands of high end minerals orblue prints and I think they become a legitimate target. Another reason is they could be infiltrating space, if you let in noob ships then one day you could find a heap of unwanteds behind enemy lines attacking miners, lone hunters etc. Not very likely but possible. From an alliance point of view it has to be done. Easy to infilitrate an alliance space though, go in at silly hours, create BM's and away you go. I hear XIF and SA are nice this time of year. Can't think of anything witty to put here.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:57:00 - [30] Most people in Eve are honorable. I've had lots of honorable fights, and really loathe people that accept 1vs1 duels and then have their buddies warp in etc.. (PA are famous for being proud of this tactic.) I personally when hunting for prey in 0.0 sec leave polite people, noob ships alone. I've let people retrieve their items and had people let me retrieve my items. Alliance zones are badly guarded, I reccommend you hop in fast frigate (executioner/condor/rifter) fit a mwd and some overdrives and go cruise around occupied 0.0 sec space exploring, it's fun and you're hard to kill! http://eve.klaki.net/

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