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Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.03 05:56:00 - [1] So, how the hell long does it take? Me and a corp mate have had a running competition for months now, damn near a year tbh. We both kill probably 50 to 100 pods a months, not to mention ship kills and aggressions. So how long does it take to get to "true" -10? Not talking about the rounded down -10 that shows on log-in screen. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Noelle Fay SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.10.03 05:57:00 - [2] In theory, it's impossible -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.03 06:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Noelle Fay In theory, it's impossible No, what he means is -10.000 instead of -9.999, so its not -10.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. In reality -9.9999 is counted as -10. we are recruiting!
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.10.03 12:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Inertial Originally by: Noelle Fay In theory, it's impossible No, what he means is -10.000 instead of -9.999, so its not -10.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. In reality -9.9999 is counted as -10. No, what he means is its impossible. Because the the security status hit you take is a percentage, it technically means you can never actually reach true -10.0000000000000000000000000000000. Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero.
Evilan Altana State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Grant Smith Originally by: Inertial Originally by: Noelle Fay In theory, it's impossible No, what he means is -10.000 instead of -9.999, so its not -10.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. In reality -9.9999 is counted as -10. No, what he means is its impossible. Because the the security status hit you take is a percentage, it technically means you can never actually reach true -10.0000000000000000000000000000000. Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero. Or maybe he wants to know when his standing with Concord will reach the point it rounds to -10 rather than the one listed at the top of the character sheet. The second one rounds sooner, he didn't ask actual he asked "true" and as far as display goes that is the point where it can't go any lower.
Angela Goethrella Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:54:00 - [6] With the new changes to sec status drops, it only took a couple more pods to get there...I'm sure it's actually -9.995 or something close..but my standings to concord read -10.00...they really don't like me anymore. That being said, has anyone noticed that the navies response time to a gate has gone down? Crossing high sec seems to have gotten easier post FW. I've managed to get a cruiser through lately without having to nano the snot out of it . (Accidental jump through high sec
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:53:00 - [7] What I'm talking about is the "truest" sec status info you can get hold of short of the DB entry and thats checking your sec status via your corp interface. Its shown -9.999 for almost a year now on me and a few other people. The rounded sec status that shows on log-on screens and when you show info on a person starts showing "-10" at about -9.995 or so. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Dire Radiant	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Grant Smith Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero. Uhm.... Any number divided by 1 equals itself.
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Dire Radiant Originally by: Grant Smith Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero. Uhm.... Any number divided by 1 equals itself. I think what he meant to say was that no matter how many times you divide a number it will never reach zero. :)
Rudy Metallo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Dire Radiant Originally by: Grant Smith Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero. Uhm.... Any number divided by 1 equals itself. I think what he meant to say was that no matter how many times you divide a number it will never reach zero. :) Not necessarily true. You don't know what dividing by 0 could do. Only chuck norris knows that.
Hitoshi Sato Gallente 808 Medical Services	Posted - 2008.10.04 09:13:00 - [11] Didn't take that long at all... -------------------- 808 Medical Services - A subsidiary of 808 Enterprises
oodin Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.04 10:00:00 - [12] YOU can never reaxh it crazy cause your semi evil..not just evil enough sorry
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2008.10.04 12:04:00 - [13] Same here. We never kill rats because it will "mess up my sec status" Lowest it ever seems to go is -9.999
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:05:00 - [14] Originally by: oodin YOU can never reaxh it crazy cause your semi evil..not just evil enough sorry Ya, guess so, like the Diet Coke of evil, just 1 calorie, not evil enough.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:23:00 - [15] mathematically it should be impossible unfortunately computers arent the best at representing maths exactly. If you divide a number enough times you will reach a point where the numbers so small that you go below the accuracy of your memory storage so it will be rounded down to 0, or in this case -10.
Daxel Magmalloy Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2008.10.04 18:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Firkragg mathematically it should be impossible unfortunately computers arent the best at representing maths exactly. If you divide a number enough times you will reach a point where the numbers so small that you go below the accuracy of your memory storage so it will be rounded down to 0, or in this case -10. Quite right, it would depend on how powerful the CPU is, specifically the ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit)and the registers (e.g. the program counter register) within the CPU. So the answer is that depends on how old your computer is. The older the computer, the faster you could get to 'true -10' at least as far as that computer is concerned.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.04 19:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Daxel Magmalloy Originally by: Firkragg mathematically it should be impossible unfortunately computers arent the best at representing maths exactly. If you divide a number enough times you will reach a point where the numbers so small that you go below the accuracy of your memory storage so it will be rounded down to 0, or in this case -10. Quite right, it would depend on how powerful the CPU is, specifically the ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit)and the registers (e.g. the program counter register) within the CPU. So the answer is that depends on how old your computer is. The older the computer, the faster you could get to 'true -10' at least as far as that computer is concerned. (a) Depends on data type used and its precision. Certain compiler optimizations on P4-based machines can kill precision a bit, too, if I recall correctly - not that I've ever had issues with that. (b) It does NOT depend on your computer. Such data is not stored locally, it is queried from server. (c) I don't recall for how long have float/double have had same precision (don't particularly care either, don't do any maths where it would be a factor) but I'm wagering on quite a long time. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kulmid The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.04 19:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Dire Radiant Originally by: Grant Smith Just in the same way that no matter what number you try to divide "1" by you can never reach zero. Uhm.... Any number divided by 1 equals itself. The important part is that he said "'1' by" and not "by '1'" good try though You would think CCP would have added things like, "Amarr", "CCP", "Microwarpdrive", etc. to their forum dictionary.
Daxel Magmalloy Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2008.10.04 19:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko (b) It does NOT depend on your computer. Such data is not stored locally, it is queried from server. Good point, thanks. You are looking at it from a different angle than me however Cpt Branko. The software only uses what is in the CPU ie the logic gates, shift registers, flip-flops etc etc which are the building blocks of the CPU. Therefore software is limited to what hardware the hardware can do. Because it is impossible to have such a thing as in infinite series of shift registers, it's the hardware that limits the computational power of the software.
Nyza Lobot	Posted - 2008.10.04 21:43:00 - [20] Xeno's paradox anyone?
Terra Mikael Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 13:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Nyza Lobot Xeno's paradox anyone? This. But honestly, you could get down to that point pretty fast with a high sec suicide pod attack, follow up by killing FW guys in tama. Make sure you pod for the oomph factor! Smart bombs make it easy =)
Kale Kold DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.10.05 15:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Noelle Fay In theory, it's impossible WRONG! Originally by: Dr. EyjoG - quarterly economic newsletter, 3rd quarter 2007 There are 4,200 pilots with a standing of -3 or worse, and only 32 pilots that have reached the perfect criminal score of -10. On the other end, the pilot with the highest security rating has an 8.5, and only five pilots have a security rating of 7.0 or higher. Personal Record
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.05 18:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Crazy Tasty on 05/10/2008 18:42:34 Originally by: Kale Kold Edited by: Kale Kold on 05/10/2008 15:17:05 Originally by: Dr. EyjoG - quarterly economic newsletter, 3rd quarter 2007 There are 4,200 pilots with a standing of -3 or worse, and only 32 pilots that have reached the perfect criminal score of -10. On the other end, the pilot with the highest security rating has an 8.5, and only five pilots have a security rating of 7.0 or higher. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=518 Well, that settles it then I guess. 32 people have hit this in what, 5 years of play? I'm not gonna worry about it. I guess now I can help out corpmates scrammed by rats in missions now, instead of leaving them. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
VB Sarge The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.05 23:45:00 - [24] definately making a push myself for this. after a few trips to -9.999 and subsequent accidental faction rat kills, i'm back just inches from -10. hopefully i can make it before fanfest. www.the-bastards.com Ask me about recruiting options

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