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Dred 'Morte	Posted - 2004.06.22 08:49:00 - [1] =ban? or has it been fixed n u can no longer chain?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.06.22 09:13:00 - [2] I thought it was fixed, until today when some of my friends and I accidentally chained a rat BS. So I guess its a ban, if you intentionally do it, but frankly I think CCP has a lot bigger fish to fry right now. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Phoenus	Posted - 2004.06.22 09:34:00 - [3] Think I saw Orestes say on General Discussion that it's only bannable if you get them to chain up to once per minute. Phoenus Enlightened Incorporated
jeNK	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:05:00 - [4] You get banned for chaining?!!? How come?!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/06/2004 10:30:01 omfg, read some fora will you ? People have started getting banned for e3xtreme chaining two months ago already. And the bans arent childish either. The exploit is where you chain a spawn so long the respawn rate gets up to nearly insta-respawn. So say when you klill a BS it reappears withing a few seconds. And dont use smartbombs to chain while sitting right at the spawnpoint either, thats another thing not looked at favourably. But I've tried chaining a 2 BS spawn yesterday and it still chains, tho in the two hours i had it going it didnt get further then a 10-15 min respawn rate. So I guess it's been fixed now. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
jeNK	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/06/2004 10:30:01 omfg, read some fora will you ? People have started getting banned for e3xtreme chaining two months ago already. And the bans arent childish either. The exploit is where you chain a spawn so long the respawn rate gets up to nearly insta-respawn. So say when you klill a BS it reappears withing a few seconds. And dont use smartbombs to chain while sitting right at the spawnpoint either, thats another thing not looked at favourably. But I've tried chaining a 2 BS spawn yesterday and it still chains, tho in the two hours i had it going it didnt get further then a 10-15 min respawn rate. So I guess it's been fixed now. I've only been playing the game 2 months, so nuff with the smack talk, eh? ;)
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.22 10:55:00 - [7] lol, sorry bout that. But is was a prime subject here for some time after it hit us as you can prolly imagine. btw, this wasnt smacktalk, it was a slightly flamish remarks, nothing more _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.06.22 11:39:00 - [8] I didnt know it was worth a ban either... not everyone trolls through every bit of info spewed out to us... im too bizi killing bad folks ingame. d solo.
Ahlaia	Posted - 2004.06.22 12:00:00 - [9] Humm well the thing is, i understand insta respawn is unbalanced and therefore bannable, but, i would be happy with 10 minuts respawn. i realy dont ask for more
The Q	Posted - 2004.06.22 19:17:00 - [10] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/06/2004 10:30:01 omfg, read some fora will you ? People have started getting banned for e3xtreme chaining two months ago already. And the bans arent childish either. The exploit is where you chain a spawn so long the respawn rate gets up to nearly insta-respawn. So say when you klill a BS it reappears withing a few seconds. And dont use smartbombs to chain while sitting right at the spawnpoint either, thats another thing not looked at favourably. But I've tried chaining a 2 BS spawn yesterday and it still chains, tho in the two hours i had it going it didnt get further then a 10-15 min respawn rate. So I guess it's been fixed now. I've only been playing the game 2 months, so nuff with the smack talk, eh? ;) Well you got the jist of the language very quickly.... A veteran n00b I suspect.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:25:00 - [11] The map showed like 10k NPC kills in 24h for just one system! Those guys made a billion in just one day. If CCP hadnt banned them for that the whole ecconomic system could have collapsed.
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2004.06.22 22:05:00 - [12] Yeah chaining is imposible now. first NPCs change targets so u can't have one for a "pet". Second, NPC tend to "dissapear". So your "pet" may "warp away" after a spawn or two...
Nikkoli	Posted - 2004.06.22 23:32:00 - [13] What is chaining? I had something occur the other day and I dont want to get banned if I am doing something wrong.... Is this chaining: Warped into a belt, 9 rats there, started killing them. As soon as the 9th died, 6 more respawned. Killed those. As soon as the 6th died, 5 more spawned. Killed those. About 15 to 20 minutes later the same thing happened. I dont know what caused it, but I dont want to be banned.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.23 07:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Arbenowskee Yeah chaining is imposible now. first NPCs change targets so u can't have one for a "pet". Second, NPC tend to "dissapear". So your "pet" may "warp away" after a spawn or two... Incorrect, I chained a 2x Warlord (1mill) spawn with 4 cruisers without any trouble. The cruiser i left alive ambled around a bit in between 40 and 120km distance from me while i waited. After 30 mins i got the first respawn, a ship at a time. After two cycles the respawn became every 10-15 minutes with the total spawn respawning every time. There were no other spawns of this makeup in system at that time. You refer to rats dissapearing, this is caused because you dont keep em on a leash by firing at them when they are getting out of range for you. Fire once or twice and it'll come back a good way before turning around and moving away again. Keep the pet in the belt this way and 70% of the time the spawn will stay in place and chain. IF they do warp away, look in the other belts in the same system, the pet will be there and the spawn will chain further there if you move in and resume. believe me, it works. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.23 07:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Nikkoli What is chaining? I had something occur the other day and I dont want to get banned if I am doing something wrong.... Is this chaining: Warped into a belt, 9 rats there, started killing them. As soon as the 9th died, 6 more respawned. Killed those. As soon as the 6th died, 5 more spawned. Killed those. About 15 to 20 minutes later the same thing happened. I dont know what caused it, but I dont want to be banned. This sounds strange to me. Normally this cant be chaining as there are three different spawns here. Were the second and third spawn (the 6 and 5 rats) of a different type then the first one (the 9) ? If so, you had omething very weird happen there which i cant explain. This wasnt a mission or something right ? Additional weirdness: the fact that the exact same sequence of spawns appeared again after 20 minutes. If you didnt leave any rats alive there should be no chain, let alone a chain of three spawns in one belt... Sorry, cant help you there but my guess is this is not chaining, and as long as the 20 mins in between doesnt turn into 1 or 2 minutes you shouldnt get banned for it anyway according to the dev's posts on this matter in the past. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:00:00 - [16] Well, chaining is still possible. Before patch, the only way to make good money with NPCs was chaining. But now... when the BS spawns are more common, it worth HUNT... warp to every belt and kill everything... than start again or move to next system. BUT the rare, unique spawns like commanders and such are not chainable. The escort they have will respawn , but the commander or hauller will not. The normal spawns are still chainable quite well... And belive me, the good chains can deffend themselfes. When 3 BS instant spawns... you need minimum 3 or 4 ppl with shield transfers just to stay alive... so the ISK you get is devided and not as much as many of you think.... With a good BS spawn 5 ppl can make around 10 -15 million in 3 hour / person... (if you know math... you can make tripple isk with mineing) Anyway... with a proper tactic you can make instant respawn in 20 - 25 min. I wont tell you this tactic, just say to thing... you need a bit and there is 2 important spot in the belt... if you are in good pos and the bit is on the other ... the chain will come much much more faster.... IMHO chaining is already IN the economy... and nerfing it will make more problem than it solve... (remember it is possible since beta) just my 2 isk
jeNK	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:39:00 - [17] Edited by: jeNK on 23/06/2004 08:40:09 Originally by: The Q Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/06/2004 10:30:01 omfg, read some fora will you ? People have started getting banned for e3xtreme chaining two months ago already. And the bans arent childish either. The exploit is where you chain a spawn so long the respawn rate gets up to nearly insta-respawn. So say when you klill a BS it reappears withing a few seconds. And dont use smartbombs to chain while sitting right at the spawnpoint either, thats another thing not looked at favourably. But I've tried chaining a 2 BS spawn yesterday and it still chains, tho in the two hours i had it going it didnt get further then a 10-15 min respawn rate. So I guess it's been fixed now. I've only been playing the game 2 months, so nuff with the smack talk, eh? ;) Well you got the jist of the language very quickly.... A veteran n00b I suspect. You would be wrong kind sir, it's not hard to work out what smack talk is when it is posted in nearly every thread in this forum
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.23 08:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 23/06/2004 09:00:34 Originally by: Balazs Simon The normal spawns are still chainable quite well... And belive me, the good chains can deffend themselfes. When 3 BS instant spawns... you need minimum 3 or 4 ppl with shield transfers just to stay alive... so the ISK you get is devided and not as much as many of you think.... With a good BS spawn 5 ppl can make around 10 -15 million in 3 hour / person... (if you know math... you can make tripple isk with mineing) just my 2 isk In no way do you need 3-5 ppl to chain a 3 BS spawn. Yesterday I had fun chaining a 1x seraphim (1.5mill), 2x general (750K), 4x hunter (whatever, but frig) -spawn on my own. The frigs are annoying when they dont respawn all at a time, and the seraphim can be very hard to kill alone sometimes, but nonetheless i took a total ONE torp up my shields in three cycels of chaining them (had to go or I would have kept em longer). I have also chained 2BS + 6 cruiser spawns, other make up 3BS and 2BS spawns and they are all well-doable alone. Hunting with a 2man team is fun tho, and that way you can take a special spawn too if you happen into one, but it is not required to kill the hardest normal spawns. And 10-15 million in three hours chaining a 3BS spawn with 3 people ? 180 minutes/20 minutes per respawn= 9 spawns of 3BS (say 3 million isk per spawn), means 9 million each. Of course the loot might get that figure up some. Unless of course the bit i underlined above suggtest you found a way to speed up the spawn rate to instant again. If that is what you are saying it's nto very smart to say it since that is a bannable offense (and rightly so imo). Nut I'll assume you dont. There are other ways to get more BS's then when warping around or sitting waiting 15 minutes per respawn. But I think i'll ask a G about em before i go further. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2004.06.23 19:17:00 - [19] ok ok, the 3 - 4 ppl is too much... 2 ppl can make it with good skills... Anyway... chaining (if you count the loot in) make you good money... but mineing is still much much more profitable... you are right with the 9 mill The best you can do, is bring 3 miner 2 with you when you go chaining.... chain a single bs and mine at the same time... I still say... CCP wont bann anyone because normal chaining... you have to do something realy bad to get a ban... ... someone admitt someone don't... but in 0.0 everyone chain (you know ... like ****o... 8-) everyone watch it, just a few admit it... )
Nikkoli	Posted - 2004.06.23 22:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Nikkoli What is chaining? I had something occur the other day and I dont want to get banned if I am doing something wrong.... Is this chaining: Warped into a belt, 9 rats there, started killing them. As soon as the 9th died, 6 more respawned. Killed those. As soon as the 6th died, 5 more spawned. Killed those. About 15 to 20 minutes later the same thing happened. I dont know what caused it, but I dont want to be banned. This sounds strange to me. Normally this cant be chaining as there are three different spawns here. Were the second and third spawn (the 6 and 5 rats) of a different type then the first one (the 9) ? If so, you had omething very weird happen there which i cant explain. This wasnt a mission or something right ? Additional weirdness: the fact that the exact same sequence of spawns appeared again after 20 minutes. If you didnt leave any rats alive there should be no chain, let alone a chain of three spawns in one belt... Sorry, cant help you there but my guess is this is not chaining, and as long as the 20 mins in between doesnt turn into 1 or 2 minutes you shouldnt get banned for it anyway according to the dev's posts on this matter in the past. All 3 of the spawns in the sets were different, but each cycle of the set was the same. Let me tell you, 20 rats every 20 minutes was good money. Was only a 0.5 security system, and I was using my 8 ogres to kill them while I mined omber with 5 miner2's..... if this is what I can expect in 0.5 now with the "pirate improvemnts" then I will be mining/hunting there more often!!
Grenouille	Posted - 2004.06.28 11:07:00 - [21] i know 2 corps which got banned befor patch b/c chaining... they made around 300billion isk in corp wallet + a few billion in personal wallet. ...
gallentia	Posted - 2004.06.28 11:45:00 - [22] Well i still say mining is the way to go, i had a spawn of 4 bs and some 6 or 7 cruisers, with a few friends in few hours we made about 15-20 mil (not sure exactly)each, but if i mined for the same amount of time i could've made 150 to 250 mil isk (5 to 6 mil per can in low end mins) btw the respawn rate was 8 mins apart and it was before patch "Let's kick their ass and get the Hell out of here." --- General George Armstrong Custer "The supreme act of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" --- Sun Tzu "Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right." --- Henry Ford "There is no security in life, only opportunity." --- Mark Twain

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