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taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:01:00 - [1] Sorry if this is not in the right section Dear CCP Ok, so I've been playing eve for almost 2 years now. I acquired this char from my brother when it was only a few months old, since then I've been hooked. I worked away on missions and gained enough isk to run my account on GTC's, I've never spent a single dollar on EvE. Now due to recent changes with GTC's, they are extremely expensive, I do not have the time to put into eve to gain the amount of isk required to pay for 2 accounts. So I've decided the best thing to do is to run my accounts out of time (middle of the month for my carrier pilot, end of the month for my main). I will happily come back to EvE when I see GTC's back down to 350mill. Even still thats high because I use to get 90days for that, but 350mill is reasonable. Sadly I'm sure ccp wont do anything cause im just one person but if they dont, that just gives me more time to focus on my college studies I'm gonna miss EvE for sure, especially the good people I've met along the way, the thing thats gonna bug me is knowing I dont have a skill going Dont ask for my stuff cause I aint given it away
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:03:00 - [2] Originally by: taekwandokid I acquired this char from my brother when it was only a few months old, since then I've been hooked. How exactly did you acquire the character from your brother? You didn't read the EULA did you...
Marcus Aurelius Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:05:00 - [3] So like, what should they do about it ? supply&demand, they aren't really something they can change much about.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: taekwandokid I acquired this char from my brother when it was only a few months old, since then I've been hooked. How exactly did you acquire the character from your brother? You didn't read the EULA did you... He COULD have transferred it to his own account, but since he clearly stats he never paid anything for the game, it is very unlikely to the OP, if you really don't want to spend money on a game, most onlinegames are not for you. Have fun in the real world
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:07:00 - [5] Can I have your stuff?
Jac Straw Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:11:00 - [6] So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!!
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!! its not that i dont want to pay for it, its that i cant pay for it.
Illwill Bill Minmatar Scandinavian Carebears AB	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:16:00 - [8] Can I have the stuff that rightfully belongs to your brother?
BlackKnightMagik Gallente Novaku Research Labs	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:18:00 - [9] Edited by: BlackKnightMagik on 06/10/2008 16:21:18 Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!! If you took the time to read, he is a college student. They are not famous for having a lot of money. Time you climb down off that horse you are on and join reality. Ninja Edit: He said he got it from his brother. Nothing in the EULA says that another person cannot use an account that has already been created. You don't actually have to transfer shit to anyone. You are just not allowed to "SHARE" accounts. From what it sounds like his brother did not like the game and he did, so is brother stopped paying for it and he just paid for it by use of GTC's.
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:19:00 - [10] Originally by: BlackKnightMagik Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!! If you took the time to read, he is a college student. They are not famous for having a lot of money. Time you climb down off that horse you are on and join reality. well put
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:20:00 - [11] Originally by: BlackKnightMagik If you took the time to read, he is a college student. They are not famous for having a lot of money. Time you climb down off that horse you are on and join reality. If YOU took the time to read, you would have seen that he kinda bragged about not having spent a single dollar on the game and THEN mentioned that he could focus on college. He made it sound like he didn't want to pay for the game, which is why we're all talking to him like he is a piece of poo
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:21:00 - [12] your stuff.. can i have it?
Rehtom Lamina The Movement	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:21:00 - [13] Why not just run one account?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:25:00 - [14] Ohman.. got to be a troll thread, just too much humor in it. So let's see; * You aquired the account in a manner you shouldn't. * You've been playing for free for two years, thanks to a system introduced by CCP that you either love/hate; to some (like you) it's very generous. * Posting a whine thread about quitting because you can't stomach the prices set by supply and demand by players, not regulated by CCP? I wonder if you're a college student, would think you'd have at least some basic understanding of how economy works, and basic knowledge of what a legal agreement (EULA) functions as well. At the very most you're a mid-highschool student, ..or, more likely, a troll. I'll be generous, 3/10.
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Misanth Ohman.. got to be a troll thread, just too much humor in it. So let's see; * You aquired the account in a manner you shouldn't. * You've been playing for free for two years, thanks to a system introduced by CCP that you either love/hate; to some (like you) it's very generous. * Posting a whine thread about quitting because you can't stomach the prices set by supply and demand by players, not regulated by CCP? I wonder if you're a college student, would think you'd have at least some basic understanding of how economy works, and basic knowledge of what a legal agreement (EULA) functions as well. At the very most you're a mid-highschool student, ..or, more likely, a troll. I'll be generous, 3/10. shouldnt you be at school little guy, or are you skippin again. just cause i acquired the account doesnt mean i acquired it against EULA regulations. Noob
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:34:00 - [16] I'll be generous again; EULA Paragraph #3 # ACCOUNT TRANSFER / CHARACTER TRANSFER ..the very first line as follows.. You are not permitted to transfer your account to another person.
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:38:00 - [17] Edited by: taekwandokid on 06/10/2008 16:39:22 Originally by: Misanth I'll be generous again; EULA Paragraph #3 # ACCOUNT TRANSFER / CHARACTER TRANSFER ..the very first line as follows.. You are not permitted to transfer your account to another person. Read the 2nd sentence of the first line in my first post....... "character" not account.... unless everyone in the char selling forums is breaking EULA rules, then i guess i am too. EDIT almost forgot.... Noob
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:39:00 - [18] Like couldn't you skip buying one pizza a month? I mean that will most likely pay for your game time.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:40:00 - [19] Edited by: CrayC on 06/10/2008 16:40:32 Originally by: taekwandokid just cause i acquired the account doesnt mean i acquired it against EULA regulations. Noob Now you clearly indicate that you were not following the legal character transfer rules, which would have let you get this character without paying. You are now telling everyone that you did in fact break the EULA by using this account to post with. Good job. Who's the noob now? Edit: I see your above post. Ha, beat you to it anyway. Noob
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:42:00 - [20] Originally by: CrayC Edited by: CrayC on 06/10/2008 16:40:32 Originally by: taekwandokid just cause i acquired the account doesnt mean i acquired it against EULA regulations. Noob Now you clearly indicate that you were not following the legal character transfer rules, which would have let you get this character without paying. You are now telling everyone that you did in fact break the EULA by using this account to post with. Good job. Who's the noob now? Edit: I see your above post. Ha, beat you to it anyway. Noob for the love of god, do you guys not know anything, the person who transfers the char pays the fee, why would i pay it.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:45:00 - [21] Originally by: taekwandokid for the love of god, do you guys not know anything, the person who transfers the char pays the fee, why would i pay it. That was actually my point. In the first post, you said you got this char from your brother. Fine, he could have transferred it to your account. Then you said you aquired the ACCOUNT. Major difference there. And that's your downfall. You have clearly stated that you aquired the account, which makes you in violation of the EULA, regardless of how many times you now claim it was only the character and that your brother paid the fees, making it a legal transaction. Noob. /thread
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:49:00 - [22] Edited by: taekwandokid on 06/10/2008 16:49:52 Edited by: taekwandokid on 06/10/2008 16:49:23 Originally by: CrayC Edited by: CrayC on 06/10/2008 16:47:24 Originally by: taekwandokid for the love of god, do you guys not know anything, the person who transfers the char pays the fee, why would i pay it. That was actually my point. In the first post, you said you got this char from your brother. Fine, he could have transferred it to your account. Then you said you aquired the ACCOUNT. Major difference there. And that's your downfall. You have clearly stated that you aquired the account, which makes you in violation of the EULA, regardless of how many times you now claim it was only the character and that your brother paid the fees, making it a legal transaction. Noob. Originally by: BlackKnightMagik Ninja Edit: He said he got it from his brother. Nothing in the EULA says that another person cannot use an account that has already been created. You don't actually have to transfer shit to anyone. You are just not allowed to "SHARE" accounts. From what it sounds like his brother did not like the game and he did, so is brother stopped paying for it and he just paid for it by use of GTC's. From the EULA: You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. /thread well sorry i got confused with the term account and char, i ment char, everyone here probably knows i ment char, except you, cause you gotta troll the forums and seem like your a bada**
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:50:00 - [23] Originally by: taekwandokid well sorry i got confused with the term account and char, i ment char, everyone here probably knows i assumed char, except you, cause you gotta troll the forums and seem like your a bada** read my first reply in this thread again, thank you
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:53:00 - [24] Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!! its not that i dont want to pay for it, its that i cant pay for it. You are completely capable of paying for it, may you pay for it? Your obviously not. Guess that $29.98 is a month is killer eh? So what do you spend your money on?
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:53:00 - [25] Originally by: CrayC Originally by: taekwandokid well sorry i got confused with the term account and char, i ment char, everyone here probably knows i assumed char, except you, cause you gotta troll the forums and seem like your a bada** read my first reply in this thread again, thank you Ill leave it up to you to read everything and get the facts straight, i guess reading isnt your specialty
Ice Dominus	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:05:00 - [26] Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s**t!! its not that i dont want to pay for it, its that i cant pay for it. You are completely capable of paying for it, may you pay for it? Your obviously not. Guess that $29.98 is a month is killer eh? So what do you spend your money on? Sex, Drugs and alcohol, what every college student spends there money on You spend money on sex?
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:06:00 - [27] EULA is overpowered tbh ________________________________________
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:08:00 - [28] Originally by: taekwandokid I've never spent a single dollar on EvE. I stopped reading there. --- "Let's all get really angry and serious about make believe spaceships and space rocks!" - Description of Eve Forum at SomethingAwful.com (RIP!)
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:09:00 - [29] Originally by: PR0PAGANDA i agree that gtc card situation sucks. with current out of game global economics i suspect this will force many none addicted from eve. the casual gamer will be the ones to leave or atleast until lag is fixed, better stuff is added to recapture the player base or rl world economics straighten up. i am guessing you are not having fun in game either do to the fact that bob is spanking your alliance also. the further putting a hardship on NC players trying to play eve with Gtc. can i have your stuff? actually the fight against bob is very entertaining, but rl issues and college are taking over all my free time, thus... less time to play eve, less time to make isk. So I simply cant afford it. Im sure im not the only one who is in this situation.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:10:00 - [30] If you don't want to spend money on a game, then why come here and tell us about it? It's not like CCP is losing any money, so TBH, they don't care that much. Neither do we. That being said, however, I wish you good luck in your real life endeavors. Good luck with your exams and take care.
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Taedrin If you don't want to spend money on a game, then why come here and tell us about it? It's not like CCP is losing any money, so TBH, they don't care that much. Neither do we. That being said, however, I wish you good luck in your real life endeavors. Good luck with your exams and take care. they arent loosing money? I thought people pay money to sell gtc's... i guess im wrong
Nu Wa	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:14:00 - [32] I paid for Eve when I was in college. It is only 15 bucks a month FFS.. Most kids spend more that in a week on soda. Start doing workstudy and stop buying soda from the machine! :)
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Ice Dominus You spend money on sex? What every college nerd spends there money on
Dmian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:16:00 - [34] Kthxbye. Can I have your brother's stuff? ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Dmian Kthxbye. Can I have your brother's stuff? you'll have to ask him
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:30:00 - [36] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 06/10/2008 17:32:45 Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Jac Straw So your quiting over something CCP can't control, and that you don't want to pay for the game you love? Well tough s*t!! its not that i dont want to pay for it, its that i cant pay for it. You are completely capable of paying for it, may you pay for it? Your obviously not. Guess that $29.98 is a month is killer eh? So what do you spend your money on? Sex, Drugs and alcohol, what every college student spends there money on Walks slowly with OP on a busy new york morning sidewalk* Well, you should probably fix that. Good luck with your college studies. Throws OP under a bus *Ingame...Ambulation FTW
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: taekwandokid Sex, Drugs and alcohol, what every college student spends there money on Walks slowly with OP on a busy new york morning sidewalk Well, you should probably fix that. Good luck with your college studies. Throws OP under a bus *Ingame...Ambulation FTW ROFL! To teh OP. If you can't summon the real life chutzpah to earn/budget an extra $30 a month for a game you love then how are you going to do in life once you graduate and leave the warm fluffy womb to have life immediatly start smacking you about the head? Refuse to pay for life? inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Zeba ROFL! To teh OP. If you can't summon the real life chutzpah to earn/budget an extra $30 a month for a game you love then how are you going to do in life once you graduate and leave the warm fluffy womb to have life immediatly start smacking you about the head? Refuse to pay for life? that was the plan.
Marie Duvolle The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:02:00 - [39] If you can't miss 15 $/euro per month then you probably shouldn't be playing games but finding a way to make some money. Don't stir the hornet's nest
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Taedrin If you don't want to spend money on a game, then why come here and tell us about it? It's not like CCP is losing any money, so TBH, they don't care that much. Neither do we. That being said, however, I wish you good luck in your real life endeavors. Good luck with your exams and take care. Actually they are. This guy was buying a GTC off someone who bought it for real money. OP, you're probably right about more time for your studies. Good luck.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:18:00 - [41] Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Taedrin If you don't want to spend money on a game, then why come here and tell us about it? It's not like CCP is losing any money, so TBH, they don't care that much. Neither do we. That being said, however, I wish you good luck in your real life endeavors. Good luck with your exams and take care. they arent loosing money? I thought people pay money to sell gtc's... i guess im wrong I should have said that CCP isn't losing any of your money. Most likely the GTC suppliers will still be buying the same number of GTCs regardless of whether you quit or not. If anything, the price of GTCs will increase the demand for them causing GTC suppliers to increase their stock. The only money that CCP will be losing is the money they lose from subscribers switching from credit-card to ISK bought GTCs.
Belmarduk Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: taekwandokid Originally by: Taedrin If you don't want to spend money on a game, then why come here and tell us about it? It's not like CCP is losing any money, so TBH, they don't care that much. Neither do we. That being said, however, I wish you good luck in your real life endeavors. Good luck with your exams and take care. they arent loosing money? I thought people pay money to sell gtc's... i guess im wrong I should have said that CCP isn't losing any of your money. Most likely the GTC suppliers will still be buying the same number of GTCs regardless of whether you quit or not. If anything, the price of GTCs will increase the demand for them causing GTC suppliers to increase their stock. The only money that CCP will be losing is the money they lose from subscribers switching from credit-card to ISK bought GTCs. This is a total misconception. If there is less demand for gtc (bought for isk) - the gtc-sellers will sell less gtc - ERGO - They BUY LESS gtc for Ç to THEN sell again ===== Less Çuro for CCP Mainchar: Sig removed, only one graphic per sig please. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Belmarduk This is a total misconception. If there is less demand for gtc (bought for isk) - the gtc-sellers will sell less gtc - ERGO - They BUY LESS gtc for Ç to THEN sell again ===== Less Çuro for CCP In order for this to apply, a significant number of people would have to quit buying GTCs. I doubt the GTC market is responsive enough to be effected by a single person quiting. I don't know much about economics, but it would probably take at least a hundred people quitting to do that. And even then, it wouldn't cost CCP much. I suppose in the end only CCP has the information needed to confirm or deny that their sub numbers are declining. As for myself, I believe that EVE is still growing, and that more new players are joining than old people leaving.
Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:47:00 - [44] Boo Hoo
T0urniquet League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.06 18:55:00 - [45] 500 million isk is a very small amount of money for a 60 day gtc imo.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:04:00 - [46] Originally by: taekwandokid Edited by: taekwandokid on 06/10/2008 17:29:14 THIS IS JUST LETTING CCP KNOW WHY I'M QUITTING, NOT A CRY FOR HELP Dear CCP Ok, so I've been playing eve for almost 2 years now. I acquired this char from my brother when it was only a few months old (within EULA regulations), since then I've been hooked. I worked away on missions and gained enough isk to run my account on GTC's, I've never spent a single dollar on EvE. Now due to recent changes with GTC's, they are extremely expensive, I do not have the time to put into eve to gain the amount of isk required to pay for 2 accounts. So I've decided the best thing to do is to run my accounts out of time (middle of the month for my carrier pilot, end of the month for my main). I will happily come back to EvE when I see GTC's back down to 350mill. Even still thats high because I use to get 90days for that, but 350mill is reasonable. Sadly I'm sure ccp wont do anything cause im just one person but if they dont, that just gives me more time to focus on my college studies I'm gonna miss EvE for sure, especially the good people I've met along the way, the thing thats gonna bug me is knowing I dont have a skill going Dont ask for my stuff cause I aint given it away Since you've "never paid CCP a dollar" even though you've been "hooked", why should they give a rats ass?
Vhan Dread	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:07:00 - [47] I'm supprised that more people have not been saying to bring back that 30 and 90 day GTC's back or at least the 30 day one's to bring back some veriety to the market. And if the 30 days don't sell well because people want more time and bring down the price on those it still might bring the market price down seeing 30 days selling for that much then 60 2x or 90 3x that price.
Mukiri Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:12:00 - [48] SO I want to be sure I understand this. The OP is upset because he is unable to play a game for free that is actually a game meant to be paid so. So since he will have to do like most people and actually help PAY for the game he feels he must quit until CCP will let him play for free again? CCP must do this BTW by actually doing something against the best part of this game and forcing an economic change to the player run economy. Wow, all I can say is please quit and do it fast, the entire IQ of the game is falling while you are here..
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:27:00 - [49] I fully endorse the nerdrage and mis-spellings of the word lose in this thread
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:47:00 - [50] I love the EULA fight on page one, guess what guys, I've broken EULA several times. OH NOEZ!!!!1!1!1
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.06 20:33:00 - [51] he's quitting cuz GBC took his cookies i can haz leftovers?
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.06 20:40:00 - [52] got a 360 days for 200 mil isk once :D that was 2004 though. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
amGreat	Posted - 2008.10.06 20:51:00 - [53] I'm sure many of the game's traders could explain this very well. Microeconomics ftw. Supply and demand. As the demand for gtc goes up, the price goes up. This causes a shift in the supply as some people are like hey, that is a lot of isk, guess its worth it NOW to buy my isk. The market then settles into a new equilibrium with a higher price and higher quantity. I suspect that when they removed the 30-day gtc they removed a not insignificant amount of supply. The reason being $20 worth of isk os much easier to justify, whereas $40 worth of isk might be more than ppl want to put into isk. Thus the price went up to satisfy demand. Is this good or bad for CCP? I can't tell. depends if lots of people are quiting then no, but if lots of people are switching to credit card then ccp has lost some revenue, but it probably isn't significant and might be counteracted by increased gtc price. and tbh, I think quiting over the money is pretty dumb. If you enjoy eve you can make sacrifices in other areas. So really you aren't giving the right reason for quiting, you are really quiting because you have found a better sue for your time. After all you can still earn the isk in 60-days if you absolutely had too (equates to tens of cents on the hour though if missioning).
taekwandokid hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.06 22:05:00 - [54] gtc's will keep increasing in price, i dont think they will ever go down in price, it will always be an upward incline. Reason being is the damand will always be the same. People will buy them no matter what because they need them. Until people refuse to buy them (me). In 6 months to a year time, i bet they will hit 700-1 bill. Sounds high but I wouldnt doubt it. Anyways, I've found a way to get some gtc's for 350mill, so looks like ill be stickin around for 2 more months.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.10.06 22:38:00 - [55] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/10/2008 22:38:29 Originally by: taekwandokid so looks like ill be stickin around for 2 more months. All this and you drummed up 1/2 price GTC's Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡

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