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Endar	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Endar on 22/06/2004 20:35:26 Hello everyone I'm Endar, a cheep knock off of Ender Wiggin. I started playing eve a week ago and it is pretty fun so far. I'm pretty much have an understanding of all the game mechanics and ways to play. Everything but PVP that is. That is only from after reading on boards and making a few ventures out into 0.0 that you really need more than 300k in SP ;P What I'm writing about is all these "vets" on the boards that thing Eve is the first and only place that PVP has ever been. Granted I'm only really started MMRPOGS back in the release of UO (charter edition box is teh pretty), but quake II, UT, heck even doom 3 when free-looking mouse would have people saying wtf? Anyways a lot of the "vets" on eve really have drop the idea that noobs in Eve have no clue on how to dominate a game. You are writting on how characters with 3-4 months you can 1337 but really, alot of these noobs if they had the skill points as you did would win hands down. Why you ask? Well we have played so many diffrent games that we know to look for the most overpowered/cheapest/exploits (read however not cheating ;) It is not how you play a game in particular, it is how aware you are on the big picture of how to operate with your buddies to kill people. I'm so sick of hearing all these noober-vets who probably don't even know what a 386, much less how to adapt to new things (read all of us who have been pwning people for 10 years + in games). So stop, remove head from ____ and I'll back these words up in a about 3-4 months once I get the SPs ;) "Big dogs eat first..."-Gunny Alexander
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:49:00 - [2] Thought about being evil, but there's no need. You'll learn soon enough. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:52:00 - [3] Endar only one head from _____ I see needs removing here ... Tal What goes around comes around...
Endar	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:55:00 - [4] Like I said, I'll back it up in a few months once I get the skill points, untill then feel free to wtfpwn me. "Big dogs eat first..."-Gunny Alexander
CHUD	Posted - 2004.06.22 20:56:00 - [5] I see your point but I still think you're going to get flamed to hell and back by those same Eve vets. :) Most of the vet playerbase can't be dumb enough to think PvP has it's only home here, but everyone needs to realize that PvP is a much larger part of this game than it is in most other MMORPGs. Here PvP is actually a way of life in-game, as opposed to a recreational, consentual activity in other games. Here you often don't get a choice. When you say the word exploit here it does carry a cheating connotation, even though you specified what you meant, take care in using that word because it means a LOT of things here. Even with a substantial knowledge of other games you have to be aware that you can't know "most of the ins and outs" of Eve within a week of play...it just isn't possible. I would bet that a new player vs an old player, even with the exact same number of skill points, will always end the same way, vet player wins. There are way too many things to know about how to fight in this game, and about how to do any other activity too. Given the same equip and sp, I bet vet miners would output a lot more ore than a total n00b. I think the point of your post was to try and make a bit of a name for yourself by drawing some attention to you, perhaps your hope being to get someone to chase you down so you can fight a bit. :) However, actions speak louder than forum posts. Get some kills and set up a corpse museum, then post inflammatory things. :) Your basic point is understood though, that n00bs shouldn't be ignored by the vet players. My point is, in this game skills will only get you so far, you need the skill points to back it up. Likewise you need the skills to back up your skill points. Both are needed. "It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again."
Endar	Posted - 2004.06.22 21:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Endar on 22/06/2004 21:09:12 CHUD: You are right in that I'll probably get flammed from here till nextweek(and beyond) and I totally agree that a vet of EVE would do allot better than a noob would. I think you pretty much said everything perfect ;) however alot of you have to agree that hearing 14-yearolds in TS can be a bit annoying at times. The more experiance a player has, the better he will be better (probably) at any game he turns his attention to. "Big dogs eat first..."-Gunny Alexander
CHUD	Posted - 2004.06.22 21:28:00 - [7] And that's the truth right there. Sounds like you need to get into a good PvP corp. :) You don't need a lot of sp to make a difference in an engagement. Especially if there are lots of people. "It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again."
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.06.22 21:48:00 - [8] You miss the point I dont see any of the real PVP vets (and im not talking about myself) Boasting about pwning noobs as they would get flamed big style.. Yet you come on and pretty much flame them, what do you expect ? Tal What goes around comes around...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.22 21:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/06/2004 22:00:26 I think the fault in your argument lies in that you assume the vets of eve dont know about the other pvp oriented games or havent played them as much as any new player entering at this stage. I dont think you are the first ex-other mmorpg and ex-fps buff around here. Time will tell, you've got the attitude for sure tho _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
crice	Posted - 2004.06.22 22:03:00 - [10] Just get into a corp that will give you frigs, train up Heavy missles and go kill stuff. Die and learn Die and learn... These days you can go hunt the UBER NPC's and have the big boys kill the big ships and you can kill the frigs... You would also get a piece of the bounty being in the gang.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.06.22 22:16:00 - [11] There are plenty of PvP vets in EVE with lots of skillpoints who have been PvP'ing in many games for years. So I don't really see the point in this post. Good luck to you in your quest for PvP domination. I hope you have a fairly large group to work with though, because eve is a game of numbers. Even if you are great, you can't beat a force that signifigantly outnumbers you.
Trevedian	Posted - 2004.06.22 23:14:00 - [12] I'm with Shamis, what is the point of this insipid post? Join SA or someone who likes to be blown up. With 300k skill points you would make excellent cannon fodder Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.06.22 23:20:00 - [13] Skillpoints < Experience "We brake for nobody"
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2004.06.22 23:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Skillpoints < Experience Experience isnt what wins a fight it is tactic. experience just meanes uve been in enuff of something. it does not in anyway mean u r good at it. there r just to many factors that pretain to experience. i may be 1yr old in game time and be uber in skills even seen alot of battles and been in some. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE Tactics > Skillpoints/Experience You keep a level head, think quik and always plan ahead. I believe your success rates is around 80%. success does not always mean a kill. it can means your crew and u survive in the situation. Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.06.23 00:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 23/06/2004 00:03:26 Originally by: Ripp Tyde Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Skillpoints < Experience Experience isnt what wins a fight it is tactic. experience just meanes uve been in enuff of something. it does not in anyway mean u r good at it. there r just to many factors that pretain to experience. i may be 1yr old in game time and be uber in skills even seen alot of battles and been in some. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE Tactics > Skillpoints/Experience You keep a level head, think quik and always plan ahead. I believe your success rates is around 80%. success does not always mean a kill. it can means your crew and u survive in the situation. Experience makes you better unless you are dumb. Granted there are a lot of dumb people out there, but for those people of average to slightly above average intelligence, experience = better tactics. Shamis
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.06.23 00:04:00 - [16] right.... without experience how would your tactics work? "We brake for nobody"
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.06.23 01:34:00 - [17] Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 23/06/2004 01:37:42 Eh, what are u on about? You think we don't play fps games? You think we haven't played the original castle of wolfenstein when it came out? pfffffffffft Edit: Btw, I'm a noob too, I just don't come here and tell everyone that I'm gonna own them when I've got more SPs (well, actually I think I once said it to be honest). I try to to shoot ppl in-game instead of telling them here that I'm going to shoot them.
xOm3gAx	Posted - 2004.06.23 01:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk You miss the point I dont see any of the real PVP vets (and im not talking about myself) Boasting about pwning noobs as they would get flamed big style.. Yet you come on and pretty much flame them, what do you expect ? Tal as much as i hate to agree with an nme when your right your right ;) The total bottom line is the odds of you taking a REAL pvp vet in this game any time soon are rather slim... i can honostly say ive beaten every games ive played thats beatable and i thrive on competition and pvp games but i can garuntee that theres over 4000 eve players that could wtfpown me and im not a n00b and make no mistake im no where near a vet yet either ive got a little over 1m sp almost all in skills that can be useful to a pvper and im willing to bet money that talon would own me like i was a n00b not just cus hes got more sp then me but because he knows the game mechanics better so all in all unless your sp and knowlege of the game and possible tactics outweighs the other players the odds of winning go down significantly though there is always taht slim chance in hell of gettin lucky ;) or catchin them with a mining load out =) xOm c ya round tal ;) ----------------- Decloaks and starts blasting your sig Applesauce Biotch ~~~My Banner got nerfed~~~ But I still love the mods anyway Succumb to your nightmares Darkness shall embrace you
Valan	Posted - 2004.06.23 07:08:00 - [19] We all play multiple online games, its the only way to find out about EVE (CCP need to adevertise more). Groups and clans migrate from game to game and exist in multiple VR worlds. I can log onto a BFV server half way through and still get the top spot. To think that you're the only one its arrogant beyond the extreme.
Naqq	Posted - 2004.06.23 13:11:00 - [20] Hey Endar I played EVE since Beta and also played UO since 97 and only quit a few years ago. I agree with what you say and im sure you're right. Whatever Jos and the other say,your right in your case atleast. However you must understand alot of the 'noobs' in eve come from other MMORPGs like u say yourself, but probably not UO... UO is one of very few MMORPGs who USED to be very much similar to EVE in the PVP aspect of the game, in EVE you kill people and take their stuff, same thing in UO. In UO you 'grow up' learning to avoid PKers and other kinda 'griefers', however let me remind you that people that have only played games like EQ and haven't done PVP will be WHINING OUR EARS OFF and have for the past year. If you're familiar with trammel(no idea when you quit UO really) then you'll know what kinda noobs im refering to. Naqq aka [DJ]Sauron / Europa -- "Yarrr..." [FRIG] promotional video\|Training film #1\|Training film #2\| \|Newsreels: #1,#2,#3(NEW).\|
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.06.23 13:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 23/06/2004 13:15:14 Originally by: Endar snip Skill points do play a large part in the game i admit, but one thing that above all else dominates PVP is experiance, if you gain experiance at PVP from a fairly early start then you will probably be able to clash with the best of them in the months to come but from your post here i wouldnt like to bet on your char getting into any respected corporation or alliance. But still, good luck and see you on the battlefield in the next few months. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.06.23 13:17:00 - [22] lol, the term 'trammel n00b' still makes me want to flame. God I hope ccp doesnt pull such a trick on us like done with UO, dividing the damn game into a carebear and pvp world. Well, at least Felluca had the better loot and ore in UO. Just like 0.0v empire here... Shows us there's a logic to it all even when EA runs a game. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Slave Miner	Posted - 2004.06.23 19:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Endar Edited by: Endar on 22/06/2004 20:35:26 Hello everyone I'm Endar, a cheep knock off of Ender Wiggin. I started playing eve a week ago and it is pretty fun so far. I'm pretty much have an understanding of all the game mechanics and ways to play. Everything but PVP that is. That is only from after reading on boards and making a few ventures out into 0.0 that you really need more than 300k in SP ;P What I'm writing about is all these "vets" on the boards that thing Eve is the first and only place that PVP has ever been. Granted I'm only really started MMRPOGS back in the release of UO (charter edition box is teh pretty), but quake II, UT, heck even doom 3 when free-looking mouse would have people saying wtf? Anyways a lot of the "vets" on eve really have drop the idea that noobs in Eve have no clue on how to dominate a game. You are writting on how characters with 3-4 months you can 1337 but really, alot of these noobs if they had the skill points as you did would win hands down. Why you ask? Well we have played so many diffrent games that we know to look for the most overpowered/cheapest/exploits (read however not cheating ;) It is not how you play a game in particular, it is how aware you are on the big picture of how to operate with your buddies to kill people. I'm so sick of hearing all these noober-vets who probably don't even know what a 386, much less how to adapt to new things (read all of us who have been pwning people for 10 years + in games). So stop, remove head from ____ and I'll back these words up in a about 3-4 months once I get the SPs ;) I'll tell you right now, if an experienced player were to start training a new character now, he would still own you, not because of skill points, but because he knows what he's doing, and has been doing it for awhile. I've killed many a people with more experience points than me, it might be because of my skill point placement (all my points were placed for pvp) but that's only a small part, my experience was greater, and so was my knowledge of the game. Ontop of it all, to give an example of how skill points mean almost nothing after a certain extent. I've seen fleets of 20+ bs' fall to enemies with half thier numbers, it is leadership and experience that allows this to happen.
NAFnist	Posted - 2004.06.24 16:52:00 - [24] You better get used to the smack. Everybody does it, one way or the other. _____________
Raeff	Posted - 2004.06.24 17:09:00 - [25] heya Endar .. you wouldnt by chance be the Endar from DAoC/Mord would you? (only other place ive seen that name, just curious)

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