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Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:23:00 -
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Even though I personally do not like Goonswarm, does not mean that I do not think Mittens was the best man for the job for chairmen of the CSM. His track record from CSM6 has proven his value to the player base of this game. All of these people calling for more action against him, just need to harden the **** up. seriously what more do you want he can't participate in CSM7 at all even though he had the highest votes, he had to step down from CSM6 even though it is almost over who cares its still the principal of the matter, and on top of that he was given a ban for something that had happened outside the confines of the game.
He has owned his mistake, he has apologized to the playerbase and to the individual affected by the comments that were made. And what do i see in the forums day in and out since the news of this broke, Issler Dainze and Darius III acting like children and trying to form a mob to hunt mittens down and have him drawn and quartered for making a dumb comment. Seriously to the both of you add all the votes you got together and you still do not get anywhere near what mittens had received for CSM 7. So please do not pretend you speak for the playerbase when the majority has already spoken and not voted for you.
For mittens decision on resigning and his reasoning behind it I totally understand and respect him for doing so. But as for your actions Issler Dainze and Darius III, you have done nothing but breed more distrust in the CSM with the playerbase. You have hurt the position of the CSM, and honestly. If it was my call i would ask you both to step down but from all the self glorifying the both of you have been doing as of late I think it might be to much to ask of you.
Remember the CSM speaks for playerbase you should be trying to build our trust not destroy the trust we have already.
And just for the record i didn't Vote for Mittens I Voted for Trebor Daehdoow. |
Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:36:00 -
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Well said, when one damands high standards, one should abide to them as well.
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:01:00 -
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I agree with that message.
Things are done now, let's just sit back and see if that CSM is still good. |
Hailey Sunweaver
MAFIA PlAYGROUND.
D E M O N S Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:42:00 -
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Well said |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
947
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:20:00 -
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Very eloquently said. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:21:00 -
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It doesn't matter if the guy was any good. He suicided by ego on a public stage and 10,000 plus people were rendered mute due to their own faith in a **** up. It is what it is. EVE... all tragically funny. |
Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:49:00 -
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you do know that some american states have the death penalty for murder in the first degree?
30 days ban from EVE before things got out of hand is very lucky. No matter that a player "seems" an easy victim. That definitely doesn't makes things better. |
Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:39:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:It doesn't matter if the guy was any good. He suicided by ego on a public stage and 10,000 plus people were rendered mute due to their own faith in a **** up. It is what it is. EVE... all tragically funny.
You are right that 10058 votes will now go unheard, but that was not the point of my post. The point of my post is the fact that 2 of the remaining csm members have done nothing but acted like children and have breed distrust with a large portion of the player base. They have gone and made this issue much larger then what it needs to be, all because they do not like what the Goons do in game. I don't like what the Goons do in game but you don't see me holding a pitchfork and a torch and going on the hunt for blood.
This whole situation has just been blown way out of proportion, Yes he did something very very dumb but should he be prema banned for it no, the alliance panel is know for being a uncensored panel, and he acted like I would expect for the alliance leader of the goons. |
Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:49:00 -
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Slumber Hawk wrote:you do know that some american states have the death penalty for murder in the first degree?
30 days ban from EVE before things got out of hand is very lucky. No matter that a player "seems" an easy victim. That definitely doesn't makes things better.
Well its a good thing New Eden is not the in the american states and the comments were not said in the american states. There for he if he was to have been charged for something like this, it would be under Icelandic law.
This is just another moment I am happy I am not american, bring American law into an incident that A. didn't happen in the United States. B. No one was actually hurt from, Is just totally outrageous.
Eve is a video game where people get bullied daily, the only difference is that this one went out on a live stream, Mittens has since apologized and sent the "victim" over 10 billion isk. Give the guy a break already, the Gaming media has already dragged his real name through the dirt with there cyber bully bullshit. |
Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
7
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:20:00 -
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Loftybam wrote:Slumber Hawk wrote:you do know that some american states have the death penalty for murder in the first degree?
30 days ban from EVE before things got out of hand is very lucky. No matter that a player "seems" an easy victim. That definitely doesn't makes things better. Well its a good thing New Eden is not the in the american states and the comments were not said in the american states. There for he if he was to have been charged for something like this, it would be under Icelandic law. This is just another moment I am happy I am not american, bring American law into an incident that A. didn't happen in the United States. B. No one was actually hurt from, Is just totally outrageous. Eve is a video game where people get bullied daily, the only difference is that this one went out on a live stream, Mittens has since apologized and sent the "victim" over 10 billion isk. Give the guy a break already, the Gaming media has already dragged his real name through the dirt with there cyber bully bullshit.
You do know that it didn't happen because CCP stepped on the break?
You also know that this can be brought before court and might end up being 6 months to 20 years?
especially since the slide and opinion were made before hand, before being drunk?
especially since he seems very influentual with 10.000 votes? And people still backing him up? |
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Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:40:00 -
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Slumber Hawk wrote:Loftybam wrote:Slumber Hawk wrote:you do know that some american states have the death penalty for murder in the first degree?
30 days ban from EVE before things got out of hand is very lucky. No matter that a player "seems" an easy victim. That definitely doesn't makes things better. Well its a good thing New Eden is not the in the american states and the comments were not said in the american states. There for he if he was to have been charged for something like this, it would be under Icelandic law. This is just another moment I am happy I am not american, bring American law into an incident that A. didn't happen in the United States. B. No one was actually hurt from, Is just totally outrageous. Eve is a video game where people get bullied daily, the only difference is that this one went out on a live stream, Mittens has since apologized and sent the "victim" over 10 billion isk. Give the guy a break already, the Gaming media has already dragged his real name through the dirt with there cyber bully bullshit. You do know that it didn't happen because CCP stepped on the break? You also know that this can be brought before court and might end up being 6 months to 20 years? especially since the slide and opinion were made before hand, before being drunk? especially since he seems very influentual with 10.000 votes? And people still backing him up?
A. I didn't vote for him but what is going on is just not right.
B. CCP would have no say if charges were to be laid they are a company not a court.
C. The slide was approved by a CCP dev prior to it being used as are all slide being used for fanfest.
D. The only issue is the comment that was made during the Q & A session, which has been apologized for.
E. None of this excuses the Gaming Media for dragging his real name through the mud.
F. Just to get back on point my issue is not with mittens it is with Issler Dainze and Darius III 2 elected CSM members for CSM 7 that are acting like children and dragging this issue way out of proportion. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:26:00 -
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Do they still hold witch burnings in Eve? They sure do and it seems the mob has gathered a mountain of wood for one.
The embarrassment of the incident being broadcast on a public live stream combined with The Mittani's apologies should have been enough. When he encouraged harassment of a certain individual it was done in a drunken stupor, a line was crossed and I'm sure he realizes that fact all too well.
Sad day though when almost immediately afterwards another line is crossed by several websites dragging The Mittani's real name through the mud and blowing the incident well out of proportions. Clearly some people are out to settle some old scores, but instead of getting personal in these regards it would be more honest to do so ingame, regardless of how polarizing a figure The Mittani might be.
Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:27:00 -
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Loftybam wrote:
F. Just to get back on point my issue is not with mittens it is with Issler Dainze and Darius III 2 elected CSM members for CSM 7 that are acting like children and dragging this issue way out of proportion.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:27:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Loftybam wrote:
F. Just to get back on point my issue is not with mittens it is with Issler Dainze and Darius III 2 elected CSM members for CSM 7 that are acting like children and dragging this issue way out of proportion.
Oh no, what did you say? |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:56:00 -
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The good news is that everyone has seen Issler's and Darius's true intent. It's to grandstand and selfserve at the expense of whomever shows a sign of weakness. Be careful other members of CSM7. It's your blood they are swimming for next. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
52
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:57:00 -
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Completely agree with OP. The major problem here is that Issler Dainze and Darius III have no real power base now that the Mittani is out. They are adrift and doing a poor job of filling the post Mittani vacuum with their own agenda. I never expected much from Darius as he seems incapable of rising above his role as Eve Court Buffoon but I thought that Issler Dainze would at least try to put the attention on her/his platform and make a legitimate power play.
The Mitanni must be rolling in his temp grave that none seem to have learned from his example. He was polarizing but the CSM was a singular unit under his leadership. They gave players comfort as an institution.
While I completely agree with the Mittani's ban and stepping down, it's sad that the competence of this incoming CSM has already suffered. We can only hope that Two Step can take the reins and bring them in or maybe someone could accidently leave some some space crack on Darius and get him banned. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:12:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:The good news is that everyone has seen Issler's and Darius's true intent. It's to grandstand and selfserve at the expense of whomever shows a sign of weakness. Be careful other members of CSM7. It's your blood they are swimming for next.
Space blood. Pods.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:43:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:The good news is that everyone has seen Issler's and Darius's true intent. It's to grandstand and selfserve at the expense of whomever shows a sign of weakness. Be careful other members of CSM7. It's your blood they are swimming for next.
Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days.
Are we really associating Darius with high moral standards? The guy that scammed people into selling votes for plex?
Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:03:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days. Are we really associating Darius with high moral standards? The guy that scammed people into selling votes for plex?
Not high, just some morals.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:06:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days. Are we really associating Darius with high moral standards? The guy that scammed people into selling votes for plex?
I expect from him what i expect from any CSM member, someone the playerbase can trust and so far neither of the 2 CSM members I have named have proven them selves trust worthy to either the playerbase or to the future of Eve as a whole. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
130
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:26:00 -
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Loftybam wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days. Are we really associating Darius with high moral standards? The guy that scammed people into selling votes for plex? I expect from him what i expect from any CSM member, someone the playerbase can trust and so far neither of the 2 CSM members I have named have proven them selves trust worthy to either the playerbase or to the future of Eve as a whole.
Well I suppose like most political issues, if you don't like the job they do just don't vote for them next year.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
1313
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:36:00 -
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Loftybam wrote:
A. I didn't vote for him but what is going on is just not right.
B. CCP would have no say if charges were to be laid they are a company not a court.
C. The slide was approved by a CCP dev prior to it being used as are all slide being used for fanfest.
D. The only issue is the comment that was made during the Q & A session, which has been apologized for.
E. None of this excuses the Gaming Media for dragging his real name through the mud.
F. Just to get back on point my issue is not with mittens it is with Issler Dainze and Darius III 2 elected CSM members for CSM 7 that are acting like children and dragging this issue way out of proportion.
I am satisfied with CCP's wisdom and good judgement regarding this issue.
Mittani forever changed the way CSM does business-and made it much better. His contributions are incalculable and even I do not deny his positive influence.
On the other side of the coin, he excluded me from Skype before I ever made a single post or comment anywhere. So when I hear talk of disenfranchisement, I kinda laugh. What about the people that voted for me in CSM6, and then I was never given a fair shot? Also Mittani lied about me many times, and I am very glad that things turned out the way they did. None of that takes away from his real achievements and contributions in CSM 6.
Adalun Dey wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes beware other members of the CSM don't get drunk and say stupid things in front of a camera. Good to see morals are so lowly thought of these days. Are we really associating Darius with high moral standards? The guy that scammed people into selling votes for plex?
The amount of 'scammed' votes I got was very low percentage of my total. When I scam a vote, and goad the person into making a forum post-it is odne to show the criminals of Eve that I am out to win and that YES I AM A FELLOW GANKER, GREIFER (non EULA griefig) AND SCAMMER. This lets them know who will really represent their interests...
Also I am a troll candidate, and have convinced many people that I never went to the meetings and instead went fishing while in Iceland. This troll has come back to haunt me a bit though...
CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:44:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Massive back peddling to appear as a ~serious spaceship politician~
Yeah, spin it baby! SPIN IT THE WAY I LOVE IT! Wooooooo! Hint: you aren't going to iceland for free this year. Deal wis it. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:02:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Darius III wrote:Massive back peddling to appear as a ~serious spaceship politician~ Yeah, spin it baby! SPIN IT THE WAY I LOVE IT! Wooooooo! Hint: you aren't going to iceland for free this year. Deal wis it.
Don't see any spin from Darius just you crying in the corner because you can't have your own way.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
340
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:43:00 -
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You don't need to worry about Issler and Darius. They're so utterly nuts that the rest of the CSM will be able to easily marginalize them. I can imagine them sitting around the table wondering what that annoying buzzing sound coming from one end is. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
138
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:29:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't need to worry about Issler and Darius. They're so utterly nuts that the rest of the CSM will be able to easily marginalize them. I can imagine them sitting around the table wondering what that annoying buzzing sound coming from one end is.
Could be worse there could be a goon on the CSM.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:07:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't need to worry about Issler and Darius. They're so utterly nuts that the rest of the CSM will be able to easily marginalize them. I can imagine them sitting around the table wondering what that annoying buzzing sound coming from one end is. Could be worse there could be a goon on the CSM. 
One goon in Iceland for the CSM is one less goon in space to grief you.
Consequences will never be the same |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:10:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't need to worry about Issler and Darius. They're so utterly nuts that the rest of the CSM will be able to easily marginalize them. I can imagine them sitting around the table wondering what that annoying buzzing sound coming from one end is. Could be worse there could be a goon on the CSM. One goon in Iceland for the CSM is one less goon in space to grief you. Consequences will never be the same
Goons blob so you see them coming.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Loftybam
Nightfall Engineering
S.T.C.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:45:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't need to worry about Issler and Darius. They're so utterly nuts that the rest of the CSM will be able to easily marginalize them. I can imagine them sitting around the table wondering what that annoying buzzing sound coming from one end is. Could be worse there could be a goon on the CSM. One goon in Iceland for the CSM is one less goon in space to grief you. Consequences will never be the same
Honestly I would rather have the whole of CSM Goons then have Issler and Darius. Mainly because you know what there true intentions are, to screw over every other player in the game, and i might add they do this quite well. With Issler and Darius I don't know there intentions nor do i really care to find out now that they have proven that we as a playerbase can not trust them to stay objective on improving the game. |
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