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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.07 20:31:00 -
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There have been thousands of posts over the years containing the "fix lag" mantra. For many of us it's simply become something we deal with on a day to day basis, making the best of the situation and dreaming of a day when we could click our modules in the often touted in interviews "large fleet battles" that many of us are engaged in, and have them actually respond within seconds as opposed to 10-15 minutes.
Large fleet battles are a major selling point for CCP. They are sexy. Furthermore, lag is something that impacts every single player of Eve, whether you be a 0.0 territorial alliance, a factional/empire war corporation or an industrialist who never leaves empire.
I also realize that CCP accepts and knows that this is a problem, so a mere issue raised of "fix lag" isn't going to accomplish anything. What I'm proposing is that we see a commitment from CCP, as we've seen the past 2 or 3 weeks, that they will keep the players informed of the steps they're taking as regards the fight against lag. I believe that part of the continued outcry stems from a lack of communication on their part over time. This is understandable in some respects as it's certainly more exciting to be selling your new content, but NOBODY who plays Eve today does not want to know about what's being done to rectify the performance of the game.
Posting 10,000 dev blogs about ambulation in a year and a few minor blurbs regarding lag isn't doing anything to pacify the mob, and in reality all I think is required is a bit more regular communication with some actual results and numbers to point to, as we had with the Stackless IO blog and the recent posting regarding upgraded servers.
tl;dr I'd like to see frequent communication from CCP stating that this situation is being rectified, and detailing the steps the dev team is taking to combat the sources of lag. Not everything needs to be out in the open as I'm sure some of it could be exploited, but at the very least a degree of communication should be had which will show that they understand this is an issue and are committed to dealing with it.
While I'd love to raise a topic of "fix lag" I think that this is a more realistic approach, that may actually pay off.
 Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.07 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 07/10/2008 20:36:06
Now this is a lag post I can fully support. Communication with the players - both actual and perceived - would do a lot to alleviate many of these concerns and ease player pressure. Plus, I'm naturally an inquisitive sort, so getting more info appeals greatly to me.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.07 22:03:00 -
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I agree completely.
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 22:49:00 -
[4]
yes.
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Praetor Novak
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:08:00 -
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More communication from CCP concerning what has been done, what is being done and what the future plans are to attack lag are would be greatly appreciated. I support this proposal, however they also need to stay vigilant on the issue of actually fixing lag in addition to communicating what is being done about it.
I consistently and frequently raise the issue of lag in massive fleet battles in hopes of keeping the volume turned up on this issue which is of a grave and pressing nature to EVE. To many subscribers who play EVE for many hours every month this is really issue number one. We often wonder why we are incapable of convincing CCP that without fixing lag EVE's future as an un-sharded MMO is questionable.
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:27:00 -
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/me signed
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Mondo Banana
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:39:00 -
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Absolutely support. This is the one thing that stands between me and the feeling that EvE can actually deliver on its years old promise of large fleet battles where you can actually play, and not just watch a slideshow.
Do more, inform more.
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BCE 3AHRTO
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:41:00 -
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fiiix iitt...
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whatwaitwhat
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:42:00 -
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It's almost insulting that someone on the CSM has to point this out to CCP, but I guess that's what they're for
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Yenrich
Legion Du Lys
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:43:00 -
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/me signed
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Faust Revis
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:43:00 -
[11]
I agree
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Malakev
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:44:00 -
[12]
i concur
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Arandarrah
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:44:00 -
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Sure thing |
Invictus
Minmatar
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:44:00 -
[14]
Do this! We need it! |
Jadon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:45:00 -
[15]
Frequent communication, yes please.
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Talitana
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:46:00 -
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Tayvone
Pat Sharp's Potato Farm
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:46:00 -
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Horondan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:47:00 -
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Rekem
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:47:00 -
[19]
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deadEd
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:47:00 -
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more communication on probably the most important in-game issue? makes sense to me
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Logflume
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:48:00 -
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Telaan
Pat Sharp's Potato Farm
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:48:00 -
[22]
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Luunij Kao
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:49:00 -
[23]
hells yes
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Swannal
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:49:00 -
[24]
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Godek
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:50:00 -
[25]
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:50:00 -
[26]
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Orion Moonstar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:50:00 -
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Susports
http://www.dariusjohnson.org/dec20bobts.mp3
http://www.daitengu.com/ohgod/dec20bobts.mp3 |
Dimirti
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:52:00 -
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Superort
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Mierin Rayen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:54:00 -
[29]
/****ing signed
I don't care if you're BoB or anyone else, we all need to come together on this issue.
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Ravennia Kurofune
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:56:00 -
[30]
I love you DJ
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Shodai
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:00:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Shodai on 08/10/2008 01:01:21
Edited by: Shodai on 08/10/2008 00:59:49
I'd much rather walk around in stations than be able to play the game.
/signed
also snypa
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Taedron
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:08:00 -
[32]
I have liked the dev blogs about upgraded servers and stuff. Keep them coming.
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Phorashi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:09:00 -
[33]
This right here is a good idea.
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Becky Crenshaw
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:10:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Becky Crenshaw on 08/10/2008 01:10:39
While not the same as outright fixing lag, the transparency should do all players good.
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NanDe YaNen
The Funkalistic
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: NanDe YaNen on 08/10/2008 01:16:09
and space whales too |
Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:18:00 -
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Signed. |
Pedro Sangre
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:18:00 -
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Everir Entar
Minmatar
Legion Du Lys
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:20:00 -
[38]
Support!
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:20:00 -
[39]
yes please
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VCBee20XD5
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:21:00 -
[40]
mmhmm
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Peasant John
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:22:00 -
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Lume V
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:22:00 -
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Good idea, knowing what is being done would at least give us hope while we wait for the modules to activate.
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:23:00 -
[43]
yes
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VCBee20XD6
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:23:00 -
[44]
this is a good idea
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Vickey Rockwell
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:24:00 -
[45]
the more communication the better
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Arithron
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:30:00 -
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Communication in the past 2 weeks been excellent on this front, and has made players generally happier knowing that something is being done!
More of the same wanted- fully supported!
Take care,
Arithron
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VCBee20XD4
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:35:00 -
[47]
yes please
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Staplerfahrer Klaus
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:50:00 -
[48]
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Dontcheck Availability
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:52:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Dontcheck Availability on 08/10/2008 01:51:58
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Nigerian Prince
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:53:00 -
[50]
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Veinless
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 01:57:00 -
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Buttes. |
Cooolllll
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:04:00 -
[52]
yes
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Cindy McCain
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:06:00 -
[53]
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HerbTarlek
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:11:00 -
[54]
Now, this
THIS
is a Darius ALLCAPS post I can get behind.
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Doc Agnostic
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:25:00 -
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this. |
Althair Erin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:26:00 -
[56]
Yes, for the love of god yes please
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The Hope of the younger generation
Come help build a better, more civil EVE! |
The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 02:55:00 -
[57]
*thumbs up*
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Kif
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 03:00:00 -
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Lag hurts everyone
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Zelca LiGu
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.08 03:53:00 -
[59]
yes please |
Bremen Saki
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:03:00 -
[60]
yes yes yes yes etc |
GIJoeDirtbag
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:14:00 -
[61]
Edited by: GIJoeDirtbag on 08/10/2008 05:14:11
Numerous people have suggested numerous individual ways through which the lag situation can be imrpoved, it's time CCP stops ignoring the player base, adding new and largely pointless features like medals, ambulation, and other crap, and fixes one of the most crippling issues in the game.
Signed.
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Pezzle
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:09:00 -
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Communication is vital. Be honest with the players and your trust will be returned.
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Cannibal PLT
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cannibal PLT on 08/10/2008 06:37:18
Knowing we were hearing from people actively working to reduce lag was amazing (re: Stackless IO blog). Probably moreso than knowing that there was a breakthrough in reducing lag.
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westyx
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:07:00 -
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The more information the better.
Enjoyed knowing about the stackless IO stuff. Shows ccp is not ignoring the issue.
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Shailo Koljas
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 08:18:00 -
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/signed
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AverageR
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Posted - 2008.10.08 08:59:00 -
[66]
Darius JOHNSHON is the best JOHNSON!
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CalBar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 09:32:00 -
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Absolutely.
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mainmang
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Posted - 2008.10.08 09:49:00 -
[68]
/signed
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am0n tristessa
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Posted - 2008.10.08 10:49:00 -
[69]
Endorsed.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.10.08 11:18:00 -
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Communication is always extremely important. I will support any initiative that is taken to make CCP communicate more and be more transparent.
However, I will admit that CCP has been really good at it as of late. Fine, no mention of infiniband as of yet. But I guess it's to come.
Also, how much are you are you guys experiencing lag as of late? I must admit I haven't taken part in a major fleet fight as of late. But I must admit all the very crowded system I have gone to(Jita on sunday night) have been a REALLY smooth experience.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Communication is always extremely important. I will support any initiative that is taken to make CCP communicate more and be more transparent.
However, I will admit that CCP has been really good at it as of late. Fine, no mention of infiniband as of yet. But I guess it's to come.
Also, how much are you are you guys experiencing lag as of late? I must admit I haven't taken part in a major fleet fight as of late. But I must admit all the very crowded system I have gone to(Jita on sunday night) have been a REALLY smooth experience.
Lag is still experienced daily. I was warping around empire hte other night and experiencing all manner of weird bouts, warping to gates out of synch and such. Quite a few people in the destination system were complaining about it. There've also been quite a few fleet battles that I'm aware of which were impacted.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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charlie delta
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 16:08:00 -
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thumbs up.
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CaptainG0rd0n
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Posted - 2008.10.08 16:37:00 -
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Eve would be the best mmo out there if the huge fleet battles were lag free.
I totaly support this.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.08 19:21:00 -
[74]
What a good idea.
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Cpt Iwan
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:05:00 -
[75]
Yes.
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insolace
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:16:00 -
[76]
YES
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Phyneas
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 02:58:00 -
[77]
Supported
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Elpoc
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Posted - 2008.10.09 06:03:00 -
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/signed
go DJ
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Padanemi
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Posted - 2008.10.09 06:48:00 -
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Communication is very welcome
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Hurfy McDurfy
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Posted - 2008.10.09 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hurfy McDurfy on 09/10/2008 09:14:25
I very much support this, Trying to give orders to a fleet which cant respond because there is about 5-20mins of lag is just horrible.
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Katarina Arisdeed
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.09 11:58:00 -
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Supported
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 15:30:00 -
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Supporting this one as well.
I believe there's often more value in providing CCP with feedback on how better to interact with their customers than there is in trying to play "intern developer".
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Everir Entar
Legion Du Lys
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Posted - 2008.10.09 21:55:00 -
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Forgot. 
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Mika Katon
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:03:00 -
[84]
Agreed.
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DaiTengu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:37:00 -
[85]
+rep'd
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Break Stuff
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:54:00 -
[86]
yes
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Apple Boy
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.10 00:11:00 -
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Moostang
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.11 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Moostang on 11/10/2008 18:24:21
I agree with this. Please give us some light in the darkness of the insane lag we get to pay a monthly subscription for.
Moostang
Darkstar 1
Goonswarm
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