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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:44:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Certainly no worse than the chumps who cant hack it in Null, Low or High (the whiney no pvp ever hiseccer). Second, its a fallacy. Many small griefer corps can hack it in null. But you can't maintain playing in null without toons who can do logistics (transporting & such) and many entrances are camped to the point a dozen pvpers couldnt get through the bubbles. Let alone take on multi hundred man alliances.
"Sure we can hack it in null" followed by a list of excuses that show they clearly can't. If you don't treat your logistics team with the respect they deserve for giving you the opportunity for PvP in the environment that is best suited for it, you don't deserve to play there. Trying to bring that environment into highsec will drive people away from the game as a whole and is one of the stupidest ideas I've seen in a while. Because there are a lot of people playing EvE who have no intention of ever being PvP players, and if you try to force them into PvP they have other games they can play.
Well the gameplay of EVE revolves around that style of play and that's not changing. So those players that never intend to pvp at all have a choice. Accept that while you might not fight back others will fight you at some point or go to that new game.
And I don't mistreat anyone. Skill points are rare in EVE. Or rather those who can actually operate effectively in null as a logistics runner are far more scarce than corporations in need.
To be blunt alot of people don't care for the headache of politics or the questionable definition of an ally and enemy in null. And laying on a guilt trip isn't going to curtail my vocalized opinion on it.
We aren't looking for fair fights. We're looking for kills. If you want fair go play checkers. If you are looking for equal opportunity, then we see eye to eye because you have that now in EVE, |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.02 13:13:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
We aren't looking for fair fights. We're looking for kills. If you want fair go play checkers. If you are looking for equal opportunity, then we see eye to eye because you have that now in EVE.
I don't get this though.
I mean, sure I want kills too, but I don't want "easy button" kills. Well, easy button kills are kinda fun, but the kills that I'm looking for are those "Damn" kills.
Like taking out a Navy raven with a stealth bomber, without even launching a bomb.
The thing is though, with the system I've described in my OP, it's not about making sure everyone fights fair. My goal though is to at least make war cost something, and to at least make it more costly to try and just overwhelm them.
I mean, bringing an alliance of 500 to war dec a corp of 10 is a bit overdoing it. It's crap like that which makes players rage quit Eve cause they can't even play the game anymore. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.02 14:12:00 -
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Another thing about the cost of a war dec. The price needs to be meaningful. You shouldn't be able to just run a single mission and automatically be able to declare war.
Isk in Eve has a relatively bad monatary value, so paying off Concord with 20 million isk is like paying the Chief of Police 100 bucks to let you attempt to kill this group of people.
So 200 and 500 mil is a reasonable price that isn't hard to earn, but isn't a LOL price either. |
Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:05:00 -
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Did CCP look at this yet? |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:54:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:Did CCP look at this yet?
Probably not... they're still nursing themselves after fanfest |
lady jailbait
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:09:00 -
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i with you on heavier penalties for those tryin to leave a dec'd corp
200mil to start a war is far too high to have ass a base tho |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
975
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Posted - 2012.04.03 10:11:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:Lots of people wanting absolute safety in highsec here...
Lots of people escaping pvp where they should be doing it, null/low sec.
I heard saying those only pvp in high sec because they're safe, far too safe and that is the real problem. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.04.03 10:25:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:Lots of people wanting absolute safety in highsec here... Lots of people escaping pvp where they should be doing it, null/low sec. I heard saying those only pvp in high sec because they're safe, far too safe and that is the real problem.
Yawn. If you like null by all means go. Null is not the "pvp" area in EVE its the sovereignty available space in EVE. The PVP area of EVE is its entirety. You know this, you don't like it. Too bad, so sad.
The elementary level reverse psychology works on nitwits. A true griefer ignores your calls for mercy, your rage, your go there suggestions and pinpoint focuses on doing what they know irritates you the most. If vocalizing on the boards helps you deal with not being able to peacefully play EVE by all means do so, but don't delude yourself into thinking a griefer spends one minute contemplating how you feel they should play. The only time they entertain your thoughts are when they relive your frustration and angst by watching a great fraps'd kill. Or reading a letter of butthurt rage where its filled with morals, tears and other succulent releases of emotion. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:16:00 -
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lady jailbait wrote:i with you on heavier penalties for those tryin to leave a dec'd corp
200mil to start a war is far too high to have ass a base tho
200 mil is a completely fair price. It's not an unreachable number. Any corp can raise 200 mil in a say with no problems.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yawn. If you like null by all means go. Null is not the "pvp" area in EVE its the sovereignty available space in EVE. The PVP area of EVE is its entirety. You know this, you don't like it. Too bad, so sad.
The elementary level reverse psychology works on nitwits. A true griefer ignores your calls for mercy, your rage, your go there suggestions and pinpoint focuses on doing what they know irritates you the most. If vocalizing on the boards helps you deal with not being able to peacefully play EVE by all means do so, but don't delude yourself into thinking a griefer spends one minute contemplating how you feel they should play. The only time they entertain your thoughts are when they relive your frustration and angst by watching a great fraps'd kill. Or reading a letter of butthurt rage where its filled with morals, tears and other succulent releases of emotion.
lol, ya know, when it comes to fighting those griefer corps, there's a really easy method to keep them at bay.
Fleet up an fight back. My alliance is currently in a war deck, so everyday we fleet up and go searching for them. Of course they never show.... It's pretty funny because these griefers are the same people that try and try to push more and more pvp, but when you actually confront them with actual pvp instead of just another easy gank for them, they freak out and bail.
Griefers aren't going to fight unless they're certain they won't lose. So, i've still been running around doing missions in my tengu cause they're isn't a single one of them that would fight me solo, and I bet they wouldn't attack a tengu with one of their full fleets. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:14:00 -
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bump |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
96
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:03:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
To be blunt alot of people don't care for the headache of politics or the questionable definition of an ally and enemy in null. And laying on a guilt trip isn't going to curtail our opinion on it.
We aren't looking for fair fights. We're looking for kills. If you want fair go play checkers. If you are looking for equal opportunity, then we see eye to eye because you have that now in EVE.
Get outside your own skull for a minute and you'll see that your targets aren't playing the game for your satisfaction but for their own. If CCP lets you interfere with their play too much they will go away and you won't *have* targets. |
SamTheOne
Concorded Saints
Aerodyne Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:22:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
To be blunt alot of people don't care for the headache of politics or the questionable definition of an ally and enemy in null. And laying on a guilt trip isn't going to curtail our opinion on it.
We aren't looking for fair fights. We're looking for kills. If you want fair go play checkers. If you are looking for equal opportunity, then we see eye to eye because you have that now in EVE.
Get outside your own skull for a minute and you'll see that your targets aren't playing the game for your satisfaction but for their own. If CCP lets you interfere with their play too much they will go away and you won't *have* targets.
Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war)
This could be the unofficial motto of Eve Online. Some carebears AKA mission runners will never accept this simple fact. No matter how many times you tell them. Everyone who wishes to be left alone better hire mercenaries or train corpmembers to defend themselves.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:43:00 -
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SamTheOne wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
To be blunt alot of people don't care for the headache of politics or the questionable definition of an ally and enemy in null. And laying on a guilt trip isn't going to curtail our opinion on it.
We aren't looking for fair fights. We're looking for kills. If you want fair go play checkers. If you are looking for equal opportunity, then we see eye to eye because you have that now in EVE.
Get outside your own skull for a minute and you'll see that your targets aren't playing the game for your satisfaction but for their own. If CCP lets you interfere with their play too much they will go away and you won't *have* targets. Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war) This could be the unofficial motto of Eve Online. Some carebears AKA mission runners will never accept this simple fact. No matter how many times you tell them. Everyone who wishes to be left alone better hire mercenaries and train corpmembers to defend themselves.
I'm well aware that I'll never be left alone... However, those who love to dec carebear corps in hopes for easy kills to pad the boards better be willing to pay for it. |
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