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Dr Jekill Caldari La.Cosa.Nostra	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Thodoros So, what do we have here is; Tri had setup a trap for the TCF cap fleet. TCF cap fleet goes for it. The Tri cap fleet cyno in but it start to get anihilated by the TCF cap fleet while support is slugging it out. The Tri send an SOS message to GBC. It just happens that there is a (roaming) GBC cap fleet nearby that cyno in to save the day. Now the combined Tri/GBC cap fleet is hammering the TCF fleet. The Goons are arriving to the battlefield, answering the call for help from the TCF, but they have no caps. The TCF/Goons fleet leave the field having lost the battle but having inlfict more damage to their enemies? If thats how it happen then the TRI either have a guardian angel(GBC) or they are very lucky. Either way, TCF would had slaughter them if GBC would not had cyno in for the 100nd time. Wd TCF. Damn you are so <Razor> sharp ... if if, if _ something to have in mind for the futire the final count counts... (to IF to spirane alla den fitrose ) Vera Lynn --------------------------------------------- Born in London in 1917 became one of the most famous voices of World War II Vera's most popular song was "We'll Meet Again"
touchvill Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:47:00 - [92] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Axia Firehead nice to see that tri isn t able to hold alone a fast call fleet from TCF. and you called yourself killer? sad.. it s sad to see that you are only the shadow of your fame, or, past fame. things will be better when you will put your hand on a prometium moon. just need to know who will hold it :) see you in space Everyone sing alone. WHERE'S YOUR CAP FLEET GONE? WHERE'S YOUR CAP FLEET GONE? Don't get so butt hurt about defeat. You are part of a coalition of fail coalitions, you should be accustomed to defeat by now. To be honest, hearing TRI cap fleet cynoed out after ours cynoed in (while having equals size and composition) compensates for any loss. So much for the skill and "we wanna have fights" self given publicity. That just shows your low standards and how far you will stoop to claim a victory when you have been curbstomped. ----------
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:49:00 - [93] What's cool about this whole situation is how BoB is using Tri like a hooker from the cheap side of the street and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Hell, they don't even see it yet. BoB and friends "coincidentally" hot-dropping in (regularly) does a couple of things. It keeps Tri in the game and dividing the NC's attention, and making BoB's job easier in the process, and it completely screws Tri out of any claim that they did any of this on their own. So, Tri has two scenarios here. NC wins, and they immediately get their shit pushed in all the way back to empire for being BoB lackeys, or BoB wins, and saves them for last. Either way, it ain't looking too f'n good. I think Molle must buy the good kind of lube that has novocaine in it. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Thodoros Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:52:00 - [94] According to the battle report there was only a neutral Falcon that brought in the caps! And the first hostile capitals that been cyno in, they fell realy quickly! There is no report of the Tri caps been cyno out LK. Except if you are talking about another cap fight? Either that or there is another story here to be told? P.S. Dont tell them that you saw me in local because i dont want to be primary. ^^ I love kebabs too with lots of tzatziki.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:55:00 - [95] You are right except in places where you are wrong. Originally by: Thodoros Tri had setup a trap for the TCF cap fleet. Not exactly a trap, let's call it a bait. Quote: The Tri cap fleet cyno in but it start to get anihilated by the TCF cap fleet while support is slugging it out. Wrong. When TCF cynoed in much larger cap fleet we just ran with our capitals leaving only conventional fleet in system. There was no point in staying because capital fight with those odds will be lost. Quote: The Tri send an SOS message to GBC. Wrong. BoB had scouts in system. Even TCF knew about it. We don't have to "send an SOS message" to the shark when he smells blood. Quote: It just happens that there is a (roaming) GBC cap fleet nearby that cyno in to save the day. Wrong. AFAIK they were killing some NC cynojammer so they got cap fleet ready. Quote: Now the combined Tri/GBC cap fleet is hammering the TCF fleet. Wrong. We had no capitals in this fight. Quote: The TCF/Goons fleet leave the field having lost the battle but having inlfict more damage to their enemies? Wrong. They have lost capital battle. Not sure about conventional fleet. Quote: Either way, TCF would had slaughter them if GBC would not had cyno in for the 100nd time. Wd TCF. And in this one I can agree with you. TCF would probably kill our capital fleet with those odds. So you got it right... almost.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:59:00 - [96] Originally by: bulabuba What's cool about this whole situation is how BoB is using Tri like a hooker from the cheap side of the street and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Hell, they don't even see it yet. Guess what? As long as it gives us a lot of nice fights we just don't care. Quote: So, Tri has two scenarios here. NC wins, and they immediately get their shit pushed in all the way back to empire for being BoB lackeys, or BoB wins, and saves them for last. Either way, it ain't looking too f'n good. I think Molle must buy the good kind of lube that has novocaine in it. We know it. But as long as it gives us a lot of nice fights we just don't care.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:03:00 - [97] Originally by: bulabuba What's cool about this whole situation is how BoB is using Tri like a hooker from the cheap side of the street and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Hell, they don't even see it yet. BoB and friends "coincidentally" hot-dropping in (regularly) does a couple of things. It keeps Tri in the game and dividing the NC's attention, and making BoB's job easier in the process, and it completely screws Tri out of any claim that they did any of this on their own. So, Tri has two scenarios here. NC wins, and they immediately get their shit pushed in all the way back to empire for being BoB lackeys, or BoB wins, and saves them for last. Either way, it ain't looking too f'n good. I think Molle must buy the good kind of lube that has novocaine in it. Uhm hadnt thought about that. Does it mean will never get any respect for all our efforts ?!?! :( - Gob
touchvill Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:03:00 - [98] Originally by: bulabuba What's cool about this whole situation is how BoB is using Tri like a hooker from the cheap side of the street and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Hell, they don't even see it yet. BoB and friends "coincidentally" hot-dropping in (regularly) does a couple of things. It keeps Tri in the game and dividing the NC's attention, and making BoB's job easier in the process, and it completely screws Tri out of any claim that they did any of this on their own. So, Tri has two scenarios here. NC wins, and they immediately get their shit pushed in all the way back to empire for being BoB lackeys, or BoB wins, and saves them for last. Either way, it ain't looking too f'n good. I think Molle must buy the good kind of lube that has novocaine in it. There is no coincidence about he hot drops. You people appear to read what you want to see and not actually whats being said. Tri and BoB work together like Tri did with the NC. NC didn't complain then and they shouldn't complain now. Tri will lose their space eventually, no one doubts that. Unless of course something big happens and Tri go all out on a side. I don't see any reason for them to do so for now anyway. They will get blobbed out of Vale and they will move on. It's not a fault of Tri that blobbing is so flawed, it's a fault of eve, it's not as if it's a new invention though because Tri has been blobbed since it was formed. Back in MI60 in Pure blind when 200+ NC came to fight a record high Tri gang of 46 pilots. Tri have adapted ways to be able to survive in the blobby world by doing mutual good deeds for enemies of their enemies. It means they can maintain their low standings and still stand a chance to live in 0.0. This in turn allows their memebrs to still have a prime choice of targets to kill 23/7 and when the shit hits the fan they have backup. Tri are not super ubber and can not defeat every major alliance in game, most of the major alliances in game are currently conspiring against them and they have a helping hand in the most powerful entity in game. Bob like cap fights and rarely get the oppertunity to get these kills they are currently getting due to fear from their opposition, Tri are very good at tackling caps and they are a prime target by blobbers, they are both clearly mutual benifactors in this little thing they have going. You may not like it, it's a fantastic way of living though, it's way more pvp alliances should act, all this 24/7 blue is bullshit. ----------
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:03:00 - [99] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2008 14:05:47 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam To be honest, hearing TRI cap fleet cynoed out after ours cynoed in (while having equals size and composition) around 15 TRI dreads vs around 30 TCF dreads is not "equal composition" even when total number of caps is similiar. Even at fights with 100 caps per side having 10 dreads advantage can win it easily so it has to say something about 50 man cap fleets and 15 dread advantage. EDIT: Thodoros - either learn to read or stfu because you start to look like a clown right now. Anyways Archen corrected your mistakes - like... most of what you said.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:05:00 - [100] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam To be honest, hearing TRI cap fleet cynoed out after ours cynoed in (while having equals size and composition) around 15 TRI dreads vs around 30 TCF dreads is not "equal composition" even when total number of caps is similiar. Even at fights with 100 caps per side having 10 dreads advantage can win it easily so it has to say something about 50 man cap fleets and 15 dread advantage. What he really meant is: why didnt our fc cyno on top of the tri caps while bubbling them instead of using a POS and letting them all get away? - Gob

Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:08:00 - [101] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2008 14:08:44 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig What he really meant is: why didnt our fc cyno on top of the tri caps while bubbling them instead of using a POS and letting them all get away? - Gob This is probably the part called "lack of balls". Cynoing onto hostile caps is risky because you WILL take some damage before your caps load grid (as BOB did - around 10 dreads dead before single TCF dread died). But doing this risky stuff also means you can wipe out whole (or most of) enemy cap fleet instead of giving them chance to GTFO. Tho the most surprising thing for me was amount of HICs BOB brought in 1st wave. I was checking my "dictor/hictor" overview and it was full of neutrals.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:09:00 - [102] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam To be honest, hearing TRI cap fleet cynoed out after ours cynoed in (while having equals size and composition) around 15 TRI dreads vs around 30 TCF dreads is not "equal composition" even when total number of caps is similiar. Even at fights with 100 caps per side having 10 dreads advantage can win it easily so it has to say something about 50 man cap fleets and 15 dread advantage. What he really meant is: why didnt our fc cyno on top of the tri caps while bubbling them instead of using a POS and letting them all get away? - Gob Perhaps their capital FC gave MM/RZR consultancy in M-O that time they 'hotdropped' BoB by waiting for them to finish destroying a tower, THEN cyno'ing in 80 caps at a random gate. That sure worked well. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Zynch Section XIII	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:19:00 - [103] Originally by: Deva Blackfire around 15 TRI dreads vs around 30 TCF dreads is not "equal composition" even when total number of caps is similiar. Even at fights with 100 caps per side having 10 dreads advantage can win it easily so it has to say something about 50 man cap fleets and 15 dread advantage. So, when facing an even numbered capital fleet, you're knit picking about capital ship types to justify your escape, but when your capital fleet succeeds against an outnumbering conventional fleet, that's because they're noobs?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Zynch So, when facing an even numbered capital fleet, you're knit picking about capital ship types to justify your escape, but when your capital fleet succeeds against an outnumbering conventional fleet, that's because they're noobs? Er, the ship types are rather important in cap v cap fights. Dreads > Carriers. By a very large degree. Didn't you know that? Sure explains the 'caps at a gate' thing... ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:22:00 - [105] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2008 14:25:17 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2008 14:22:53 Originally by: Zynch Originally by: Deva Blackfire around 15 TRI dreads vs around 30 TCF dreads is not "equal composition" even when total number of caps is similiar. Even at fights with 100 caps per side having 10 dreads advantage can win it easily so it has to say something about 50 man cap fleets and 15 dread advantage. So, when facing an even numbered capital fleet, you're knit picking about capital ship types to justify your escape, but when your capital fleet succeeds against an outnumbering conventional fleet, that's because they're noobs? Noone is knit picking - our FC did what he thought was best for us at the time and caps followed. Engaging you not knowing if kia/daisho/goons would bring more caps in would be stupid especially when we were outclassed from the start. And if you think ship class doesnt matter maybe we can come up with friendly melee? 20-30 tcf carriers vs 20-30 tri dreads? EDIT: all i can be bitter about was shitty warpin point when my apoc landed 1-2km from whole TCF cap fleet at station :( thus had to use my alt in combat not main
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:28:00 - [106] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat You are right except in places where you are wrong. Originally by: Thodoros Tri had setup a trap for the TCF cap fleet. Not exactly a trap, let's call it a bait. Quote: The Tri cap fleet cyno in but it start to get anihilated by the TCF cap fleet while support is slugging it out. Wrong. When TCF cynoed in much larger cap fleet we just ran with our capitals leaving only conventional fleet in system. There was no point in staying because capital fight with those odds will be lost. You had around 30 caps, We had 34. You had quite a bit more support. Odds were about equal, you refused to engage with anything more than sniping BS and nano ships until Bob came to save you. I must agree with Axia, I'm disappointed by the current Tri. I tought you were the alliance that could field 120 caps, and hold his own against Morsus+Razor. It turns out that you won't risk your cap fleet on even odds, and your abuse of nano ships speak volumes about your willingness to take risks in general. ------------------------------------------
Wesley Baird Order and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:31:00 - [107] Originally by: bulabuba What's cool about this whole situation is how BoB is using Tri like a hooker from the cheap side of the street and there really isn't anything they can do about it. Hell, they don't even see it yet. BoB and friends "coincidentally" hot-dropping in (regularly) does a couple of things. It keeps Tri in the game and dividing the NC's attention, and making BoB's job easier in the process, and it completely screws Tri out of any claim that they did any of this on their own. So, Tri has two scenarios here. NC wins, and they immediately get their shit pushed in all the way back to empire for being BoB lackeys, or BoB wins, and saves them for last. Either way, it ain't looking too f'n good. I think Molle must buy the good kind of lube that has novocaine in it. OMG do you mean Tri might lose Vale?!!? The tears this will cause...maybe we should blue half of eve to save it!!! What could go wrong with that plan?! Grow up, Tri leaders provide their members with awesome pvp around the clock...tis alot better than 25,000 players on your blue list...but hey I know thats how some people like to roll...
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:31:00 - [108] So the reason you keep fumbling with your cap usage and general attempts at cyno jammers is to not disappoint anyone, correct? - Gob
Zynch Section XIII	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Noone is knit picking - our FC did what he thought was best for us at the time and caps followed. Engaging you not knowing if kia/daisho/goons would bring more caps in would be stupid especially when we were outclassed from the start. And if you think ship class doesnt matter maybe we can come up with friendly melee? 20-30 tcf carriers vs 20-30 tri dreads? I never said it didn't mattered. My answer implied that if it did matter between carrier and dread, it did matter all the more between capital and conventional ships, despite what your alliance mates seem to believe when they're e-bragging about their recent victories.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:33:00 - [110] Originally by: Shadowsword You had around 30 caps, We had 34. You had quite a bit more support. Odds were about equal, From your killboard: dreads: 25 (dead) + 3 (lack of mail/alive) = 28 total dreads carriers: 3 (dead) + 13 (lack of mail/alive) = 16 carriers 28+16 = 44 Just wanted to correct you on maths side. Dunno about the numbers on our side tho.

Wesley Baird Order and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Shadowsword You had around 30 caps, We had 34. You had quite a bit more support. Odds were about equal, you refused to engage with anything more than sniping BS and nano ships until Bob came to save you. I must agree with Axia, I'm disappointed by the current Tri. I tought you were the alliance that could field 120 caps, and hold his own against Morsus+Razor. It turns out that you won't risk your cap fleet on even odds, and your abuse of nano ships speak volumes about your willingness to take risks in general. 1) Dread difference is what was important, so either you dont know what you are talking about, or just trolling...I will give you credit and assume a troll. 2) Sorry you are so disappointed, that really hurts...at least our side has lots and lots of fun, and tbfh thats all that counts, sorry if you lost 30 caps trying to kill an offline small tower...must really suck.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:34:00 - [112] Originally by: Zynch Originally by: Deva Blackfire Noone is knit picking - our FC did what he thought was best for us at the time and caps followed. Engaging you not knowing if kia/daisho/goons would bring more caps in would be stupid especially when we were outclassed from the start. And if you think ship class doesnt matter maybe we can come up with friendly melee? 20-30 tcf carriers vs 20-30 tri dreads? I never said it didn't mattered. My answer implied that if it did matter between carrier and dread, it did matter all the more between capital and conventional ships, despite what your alliance mates seem to believe when they're e-bragging about their recent victories. Does it mean if you had won instead, you wouldnt be bragging? (before you answer notice the locked post were tcf started bragging about raping bob caps in zlz before the fight was even over, only to find out they had actually taken more losses) - Gob
Zynch Section XIII	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Zynch Originally by: Deva Blackfire Noone is knit picking - our FC did what he thought was best for us at the time and caps followed. Engaging you not knowing if kia/daisho/goons would bring more caps in would be stupid especially when we were outclassed from the start. And if you think ship class doesnt matter maybe we can come up with friendly melee? 20-30 tcf carriers vs 20-30 tri dreads? I never said it didn't mattered. My answer implied that if it did matter between carrier and dread, it did matter all the more between capital and conventional ships, despite what your alliance mates seem to believe when they're e-bragging about their recent victories. Does it mean if you had won instead, you wouldnt be bragging? (before you answer notice the locked post were tcf started bragging about raping bob caps in zlz before the fight was even over, only to find out they had actually taken more losses) - Gob Maybe we would, but then I would be the one to have the pleasure of knit picking
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:52:00 - [114] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Shadowsword You had around 30 caps, We had 34. You had quite a bit more support. Odds were about equal, From your killboard: dreads: 25 (dead) + 3 (lack of mail/alive) = 28 total dreads carriers: 3 (dead) + 13 (lack of mail/alive) = 16 carriers 28+16 = 44 Just wanted to correct you on maths side. Dunno about the numbers on our side tho. We had 34 when the fight with you started at the gate. There may have been singletons joining up later. But that's no excuse for you, since you had already decided to leave your caps gathering dust. Why should we come up with excuses for the fact we didnt sit there and get ****d? I dont get it. - Gob
Leila Kanz D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:52:00 - [115] Edited by: Leila Kanz on 08/10/2008 14:55:00 Edited by: Leila Kanz on 08/10/2008 14:54:38 Edited by: Leila Kanz on 08/10/2008 14:54:25 i just cant stand to read all this crap, when u will say "good fight we just as rd this time, see u next time" . why all this, "u were with bobs, fight wasnt fair" mumbles. Eve is a game of ganking, either u gang or u get ganked. http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=96123 this is tcf killboard, %39 Efficiency for a system way far from your home system. So please, dont. Next time dont take the bait, dont bring fight outnumbered, dont attack to a small pos with shitloads of caps while there are bobs spy in local. Bob and tri are friends? Who gives a f*? at the end we are obviously 2 hostile forces vs you. oh and some foundation (lulz) guy said welldone for the caps kills with that low number, happly they managed to kill some caps with the cap (40 caps? ) fleet.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:56:00 - [116] Oh, the numbers. I remember when people used to determine the victor by who held the field after the fight. The real victor is the one that is willing to do it all over again next time. The truth will set you free
Areille Amarr Black Hawk Down Syndrome	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:01:00 - [117] Originally by: Leila Kanz . why all this, "u were with bobs, fight wasnt fair" mumbles. Eve is a game of ganking, either u gang or u get ganked. That's a bit ironic, coming from an entity that was crying like mad about how they get outblobbed so badly by the NC not too long ago.
Toko Baru Sounds Of Violence Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:02:00 - [118] Originally by: Leila Kanz Bob and tri are friends? Who gives a f***? at the end we are obviously 2 hostile forces vs you. No way... Tri call SOS to our intel and we helped they cuz Tri is our slave.. __
TARREX Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:15:00 - [119] Edited by: TARREX on 08/10/2008 15:15:36 no risk no fun , the tribobcompany don't known it. GF TCF.
PeveS The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:25:00 - [120] Kids yelling who has the biggest gun of all TCF 'lost' but had fun; Tri 'won' and had fun; BoB 'won' and had fun; Goons came and 'lost or won' whatever and had a lot of fun 2; Others who where there 'lost' or 'won' and had fun. I wasnt there so im the real looser (bedtime). Whats loosing or winning? Isnt it all about the fun? After this thread all 'lost' and reading it its getting no fun anymore. Lock please and keep pewpew-ing insteat of shooting on coad



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