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murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:18:00 - [31] I think I'll start a new export business buying stuff from the Eve Online Store and then sending it to people outside the US and marking it as a 'gift item'. No, not really. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:28:00 - [32] You're going to miss that 200 dollars when the world economy collapses and we're eating family pets to survive. Hope the model at least makes a good club to fight off roaming looters.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:32:00 - [33] This customs madness is one of the reasons why I never order from the US (the crappy warranty - like "90 days limited" - is another). The question is, did you see any "terms and conditions" specific to this purchase during the ordering process? Did they mention that the items would be shipped from the US to you? If not, you might have a good case against CCP because they are located in Iceland and are bound by icelandic laws when they sell you stuff. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Seijin DiHelenti	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:35:00 - [34] So: "Contact Us CCP Games Online Store 2075 West Park Place Blvd Suite G Stone Mountain, GA 30087 Fax: +1 678 3823881 Support: +1 404 2921819 x235 Email: [email protected]" The above information from the store contact section means they are based in Iceland.
Basileus	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Kleintje Pils how I got scammed for real life ca$h I feel your pain, young Skywalker. Hidden charges, scamming governments, no consumer protection whatsoever. Isn't it great??
Basileus	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Berious You're going to miss that 200 dollars when the world economy collapses and we're eating family pets to survive. Note to self: buy goldfish. A big fat one.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:49:00 - [37] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 08/10/2008 14:54:35 Originally by: Seijin DiHelenti So: "Contact Us CCP Games Online Store 2075 West Park Place Blvd Suite G Stone Mountain, GA 30087 Fax: +1 678 3823881 Support: +1 404 2921819 x235 Email: [email protected]" The above information from the store contact section means they are based in Iceland. "Website terms of service" contains: Quote: WEBSITE TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT DISCLAIMER This website is currently owned and operated by CCP, hf. CCP, hf disclaims any and all responsibility or liability for the accuracy, content, completeness, legality, reliability, or operability or availability of information or material contained on the Web site. CCP, hf. disclaims any responsibility for the deletion, failure to store, misdelivery, or untimely delivery of any information or material in respect to the web site. CCP, hf. disclaims any responsibility for any harm resulting from downloading or accessing any information or material on or thorough the web site. [...] 10. Governing Law. THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE GOVERNED BY AND CONSTRUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF ICELAND, WITHOUT GIVING EFFECT TO THE CONFLICT OF LAW RULES OF SUCH STATE [...] CCP hf. Grandagar=i 8 101 Reykjavik Iceland And yes, that's the link on the bottom of the EVE Store. Also, the final page during the ordering process clearly says: *Additional charges may apply for duties, custom fees and tariffs. CCP Hf. is not responsible for duties, customs and taxes imposed by destination country. No mention about shipping from the US and "CCP Hf" suggests that it's being shipped from Iceland. I'm sorry, but CCP seems to be in a bad position here. They should clearly state that the stuff is being shipped from the US, since everything else points to the contrary and it's misleading. The selling party seems to be CCP Hf also, so even if they ship stuff from the US, the transaction would be between CCP Hf and someone in the EU, thus covered by the EEC laws. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming*
Kleintje Pils Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Seijin DiHelenti So: "Contact Us CCP Games Online Store 2075 West Park Place Blvd Suite G Stone Mountain, GA 30087 Fax: +1 678 3823881 Support: +1 404 2921819 x235 Email: [email protected]" The above information from the store contact section means they are based in Iceland. "Website terms of service" contains: Quote: WEBSITE TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT DISCLAIMER This website is currently owned and operated by CCP, hf. CCP, hf disclaims any and all responsibility or liability for the accuracy, content, completeness, legality, reliability, or operability or availability of information or material contained on the Web site. CCP, hf. disclaims any responsibility for the deletion, failure to store, misdelivery, or untimely delivery of any information or material in respect to the web site. CCP, hf. disclaims any responsibility for any harm resulting from downloading or accessing any information or material on or thorough the web site. [...] 10. Governing Law. THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE GOVERNED BY AND CONSTRUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF ICELAND, WITHOUT GIVING EFFECT TO THE CONFLICT OF LAW RULES OF SUCH STATE [...] CCP hf. Grandagar=i 8 101 Reykjavik Iceland And yes, that's the link on the bottom of the EVE Store. A company can "claim" all they want, the law always rules above company's claims.
Sensor Echo Temple of the Blue Fish	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Xevan Templar Because if you dind't buy it but got it as a 'gift', they can't charge an % from the value you would normaly pay for. If that's stil the case that is. this hasn't work for at least five years - I ordered a digi cam listed as a second hand item and a gift and got slapped with ú100 of fee's. When I rang them up to protest I was told that a web cam was classed as a digital camera, which apparantly costs an average of ú500 (go figure, even at the time a cheap one cost ú100, which this one was!), and thus as the item had never paid duty in the eu it was subject to full duty at it's original price. I had to send them receipts of the ebay auction to show that it was only worth like ú100 and still had to pay ú40 odd quid of duty and release fee's. A God damn rip off :( ------------------------------------ The EvE online general discussion forum - you will never find a more wretched hive of s****and villainy
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:24:00 - [40] Originally by: ApaKaka Originally by: Tiirae In Australia, there's a huge range of taxes for hundreds of categories of products you might import. However, they don't usually enforce them; Out of dozens of items I've bought on ebay and had shipped from the US, only once did I have to go to the customs office, and in the end they just asked 'is this available in shops locally?', and I said 'no', and they said 'fine, no charge then'. You guys are getting screwed! (note this is for one-off personal items, I'm sure if you started bringing in dozens of the same thing they would come down hard) Did you ship through FedEx/UPS or a similar logistics firm? Because they have to mark the value and type of the item on the package for all deliveries to at least Europe, which means it's really easy for customs to electronically scan every package and apply the tax automatically. If you get it sent by USPS slow-mail, I find a lot less packages get intercepted and slapped with a fee because they don't always mark value on these (amazon does though...) Yeah, you're right, USPS is much more reliable for getting stuff through. The few times I've used FedEx it's been painful. But in either case I think the attitude here is that the law is designed to catch people who are trying to run a business without the proper import license etc, and individual people bringing in individual items for their own use aren't really worth pursuing. Sounds to me like the European governments are dead set on extracting every last penny they can from their citizens, and that's a shame. OTOH (and as said earlier); serves you right for wasting money on ridiculous spaceship models!
Jack Gilligan THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:26:00 - [41] Glad I don't live in a VAT type taxing country. Lesson learned: Work harder, millions on welfare are depending on you. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
FT Cold The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:42:00 - [42] That's because the EU is a money and power *****. I especially love the lawsuits that they have been putting out to US based companies lately. I say stop selling stuff to them and drop the lawsuit. Screw the EU. Now, now, now. Sounds like someone's got a case of the poor me's. If you were gonna die, you would have done it by now! Maybe you just need to realize you're gonna to have to live with intense pain
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:43:00 - [43] YEr I no longer by stuff from EVE store because the BS comes with it on taxs! Trinity Corporate Services
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:51:00 - [44] I'm not you and your not me OP, but that's a lot of money for a dust collector.
Radeberger Caldari I Care...... Seriously i do	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:14:00 - [45] I was considering buying some more eve-online t-shirts yesterday, but after using their shipping calculator, i realized a few things: 1. Shipping costs close to the same as two tshirts if not more. 2. Shipping appeared to be from the US, meaning taxation plus VAT. 3. ú#$@!$ that, too much money on fluff, that isn't actually the stuff i want to buy I can understand that the reason the eve-store is in america is probably because of whitewolf etc., i can appreciate that it is probably because you wanted to add some extra gadgets to the store. And i'm sure that this was given careful consideration, but atm it's just not feasible in my humble opinion to buy stuff from the store if you live in the EU (probably other places aswell), unless you have too much money. I would imagine a partnership with a european distributor/producer could work out for the good of quite a few european customers. IF most subscribers are from the EU, it would certainly make sense to cater to the majority, atleast the way i see it. Note: i would probably have bought the tshirts if i could've known that after goods + shipping i wouldn't be paying any other extra fees.
Orb Lati Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Code Black Originally by: Treelox The store staff needs to mark the contents of the box as a "Gift" to avoid a lot of the import duties. I believe that is called fraud. Then what you need to do is find a corp/alliance mate in the USA (preferably in the same city as the Eve-store) give them the cash to buy it for you and ask them to post it as a gift. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Sexiest Beast Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Radeberger I was considering buying some more eve-online t-shirts yesterday, but after using their shipping calculator, i realized a few things: 1. Shipping costs close to the same as two tshirts if not more. 2. Shipping appeared to be from the US, meaning taxation plus VAT. 3. ú#$@!$ that, too much money on fluff, that isn't actually the stuff i want to buy I can understand that the reason the eve-store is in america is probably because of whitewolf etc., i can appreciate that it is probably because you wanted to add some extra gadgets to the store. And i'm sure that this was given careful consideration, but atm it's just not feasible in my humble opinion to buy stuff from the store if you live in the EU (probably other places aswell), unless you have too much money. I would imagine a partnership with a european distributor/producer could work out for the good of quite a few european customers. IF most subscribers are from the EU, it would certainly make sense to cater to the majority, atleast the way i see it. Note: i would probably have bought the tshirts if i could've known that after goods + shipping i wouldn't be paying any other extra fees. my missus got me a t-shirt last year as a christmas pressie and she said that the shipping cost more than the t-shirt :/
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:38:00 - [48] Yeah. Part of the "PROTECT LOCAL BUSINESSES" shtick that people like to throw around involves huge, massive WTF taxes on anything foreign. Welcome to trade barriers, nothing CCP can do. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.09 00:14:00 - [49] Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 09/10/2008 00:14:50 Ummm for $208 you could've bought 0.5kg of silver instead of 1kg of clay... $11.5 per ounce. From that you could've made a small battleship, probably 20 times less in volume , so instead of 18cm x 38 cm x 12 cm it would've been like 8 cm x 10 cm x 5 cm, unless i'm miscalculating something. Small, but it's freaking silver, not clay. Then put it into a glass vessel and pump out the air.. a SPACESHIP IN A BOTTLE IN VACUUM !!!!!!!
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Yeah. Part of the "PROTECT LOCAL BUSINESSES" shtick that people like to throw around involves huge, massive WTF taxes on anything foreign. Welcome to trade barriers, nothing CCP can do. Well, the idea is that if you don't do this, corporations will import all of their supplies from countries with cheap labor (the US is currently having this problem with China). For example, let's say you have a country with $100 in the hands of the consumers. Every year, the consumers buy $10 worth of goods from a corporation. Let's say this corporation spends $1 every year to produce these goods, sending that money to another country. The other $9 re-enters your country's economy through paychecks (yes, I know that's not realistic, but this is just an example). This means that every year, your country loses $1. After 90 years, your country will no longer have enough money to support the corporation that is importing it's goods to sell. This is the danger of a trade deficit - if your country imports more than it exports, your country has less purchasing power every year that this remains true. Fortunately, real life is MUCH more complicated than this, but you can understand why governments really hate it when people import stuff.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:07:00 - [51] Congratulations for experiencing what the rest of the world already knew and understood. First, international shipping costs MORE and is plainly obvious when you actually BUY it. Second, most countries indeed charge a customs charge for imports. And they have for years, it isn't like it just showed up overnight just to annoy YOU. Goes to the principle that you should be buying from in-country and paying back cash into your own economy, not someone elses. Third, since when does the location of comnpany become the location of a product warehouse? What, did you honestly thing CCP deals solely with Icelandic companies in their neighbourhood? As a Canadian who's dealt with this sort of thing his entire life; grow a pair, choke down the extra fees, and move on. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
CHAOS100 Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:55:00 - [52] That better be one damn good model. --------------
Nikla Uthaan	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:03:00 - [53] Edited by: Nikla Uthaan on 09/10/2008 03:03:09 Welcome to why I only paid the shipping on the Raven model because I really wanted it. A while back I was going to buy two of the pirate-boosters for the EVE card-game after they started shipping through white-wolf instead of their own shop. The shipping demanded by FedEx was three times the cost of the product. I queried it to no response, came back several months later and found it was only twice the price of the product now woo. <makes a mental note to not buy from the US anymore> Not CCPs problem really though,,,

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