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Lix Titrax K Directorate	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:05:00 - [31] Originally by: B0rn2KiLL Christians you mean? are we being a tad racist? hmmm ? When did Christians become a race?
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:16:00 - [32] All I have to say is that I did not expect this thread to get so big. I am pretty thankful now because I have a job that pays the bills, and just allowed me to buy a second car, and using credit as well. So nothing completely frozen over. However, what I was aiming to say is that it is working people in the USA who are paying the price for the shenanigans that took place in DC and on the Wall Street. And, I am not referring to the 250k/year boys in suits and offices - I am talking about the real middle class of Americans, who earn on average of 55-85k a year, and are subject to ridiculous taxes - AMT anyone - on top of paying the lion's share of all the social programs. Funny enough, Warren Buffet himself said that due to his wealth he is able to shuffle all the money he makes around in such a way that he only pays taxes on 2% of his actual income. While most Americans pay them on 100%. Stupid wars, lying politicians, and completely failed social accountability are to blame. Oh, and the fact that apparently we are spending way too much money abroad to make people "like" us. WTF? Who cares? Stupid bailout cost average American about 3,500 Dollars. Why in the world? I much rather have 3,500 dollars, and let the Investment Banks fail, then pay for it! Anyway, I am just ****y about the whole thing.
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Lix Titrax Originally by: B0rn2KiLL Christians you mean? are we being a tad racist? hmmm ? When did Christians become a race? lol...i think he meant vivisectionist
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:18:00 - [34] Edited by: Xen Gin on 10/10/2008 00:19:08 Originally by: Lix Titrax Originally by: B0rn2KiLL Christians you mean? are we being a tad racist? hmmm ? When did Christians become a race? The same time that the Jews, Muslims, French and Chinese became races?
Seroquel	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:19:00 - [35] Merely saying "race" offends me, because it is racist. Shame, shame on you all. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.10 06:47:00 - [36] cough Nice going republicans
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.10.10 10:01:00 - [37] Originally by: CampyloBacter some of the victims of 9/11 and their families might think that this ISN'T someone else's war. I happen to think that the US and Britain (my country) have stood together against the worst type of destabilising influence that want this largely peaceful world to become anarchic and ruled by an idiotic religious doctrine. You've been reading too much propaganda! Islam is not some idiotic religious doctrine. Furthermore the Iraq war has got absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Other than the US kinda used it as an excuse to carry out Israel wishes. Afghanistan housed the terrorist camps. The only reason we went to war with the US is because we owed them money. Which is now repaid. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Che Villa a lot of stuff about energy independence and other things Maybe you should have started using lower fuel consumption cars 20 years ago like Europe? At least thinking about the Kyoto protocols and reduction in gas emissions through increase in effficience of power plants? Building more costly houses but with real walls and not cardboard, so that you don't need to consume a lot of fuel to keep them warm in winter and fresh in summer? The USA as nation and culture has been for decades if not centuries a big deficit spender on the assumption that it has unlimited resources and space for unlimited growth. Sadly we all live on a single limited planet and our resources and space will not last forever.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Sydonis Agreed - although I would add "and doesn't dictate what other people should believe in" to your statement. I don't like someone else telling me to believe in God because they say so... I prefer to do so because I choose to and in my own way. I also don't believe in telling other people that they're wrong in their beliefs, outside of informed debate (free speech is (usually) a worthwhile liberty, after all). I hope you never have to live in Italy. We have this nice foreign state guy and head of a religion (the pope) constantly trying to dictate how we should live. And sadly he has a lot of success as the politician fear to lose some vote if they don't make the catholic church happy. Having a religious teacher in the public school that must be approved only by the Catholic hierarchy and that is paid by the state is something that disturb me a lot.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.10 12:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Venkul Mul I hope you never have to live in Italy. We have this nice foreign state guy and head of a religion (the pope) constantly trying to dictate how we should live. And sadly he has a lot of success as the politician fear to lose some vote if they don't make the catholic church happy. Having a religious teacher in the public school that must be approved only by the Catholic hierarchy and that is paid by the state is something that disturb me a lot. It does disturb me, too. Anyone with a working brain know that religion should be kept far away from political power, but it seems a few heads of state wouldn't mind increased influence from the church over the running of countries, if that give them more support from a part of the population. Berlusconi in Italy, The twin brothers in...Poland, I think it is, and Sarkozy in France seem to lean that way... And the current pope's rethoric about "people refusing Christianism exposing themselves to God's wrath" (he was primarily refering to Europe here, where Christianism is losing ground), as if the current economic woes had anything to do with people not going to the church sunday morning, **** me off to no end.
Bux Naked Memetic Anomalies Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:29:00 - [41] What I find funny is all my conservative friends keep telling me that if Obama wins, the corporations will pay higher taxes and we will lose jobs. They all say that paying lower taxes will mean the rich will create jobs.... And I reply with: have you been living in this **ing country for the last 8 years? What new jobs? Corps are paying lower taxes than they did under Clinton. But where are the jobs? And no I don't ing consider a greeter at Wal-Mart as a ing good job. The bottom line is that corps paying lesser taxes does NOT equal more jobs. It does NOT mean jobs will stay in our country. Bottom line is that corps will just have a heftier profit for which they will stick in a bank and spend it on a new Porche for their daughters for their sweet 16. It means that the rich will just move their money to other things that have nothing to do with creating jobs. Rich don't give a flying about creating jobs. You create jobs because you have work that needs to be done NOT because you got a tax break. McCain was right that our "workers are strong".....but without JOBS that doesn't mean shit. And as far as the pundits assertions that if executives have to pay more taxes they will move the companies out of the US: BOYCOTT them for being un-American and don't buy their products. Imagine if Bill Gates were to move Microsoft to Canada. Bottom line was that during the Clinton administration, we had one of the best economic times in the history of the country. We had more jobs, more money, and corps were paying more taxes than they do now. here are some facts about the Clinton years versus the Bush years: Unemployment rate: September 2000 - 3.9% September 2008 - 6.1& Poverty Rate: September 2000 - 11.3% September 2007 - 12.7% (notice this isn't including 2008.....) Median Household Income: September 2000 - $53,624 September 2007 - $50,233 (again, not even taking into account 2008) Federal Budget: 2000 - $237 Billion Surplus 2008 - $410 Billion Deficit (projected) Approval Rating: Oct. 2000 Bill Clinton - 57% Oct. 2008 George Bush - 25% Country is on the right track: Oct. 2000 - 48% Yes, 32% No Oct. 2008 - 12% Yes, 72% No What I would like to know is: who are the **ing morons who answered Yes in 2008 that our country is on the right track? Are these the same people who think the moon landings were faked? Or that watch the Jerry Springer show religiously?
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:31:00 - [42] Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 10/10/2008 15:33:35 Putting ppl in to races /categories is the "OLD WORLD". Splitting up the masses so they wont stand together on important issues the oldest trick in the book. Most ppl how ever are too ignorant to figure it out. Now they have the G8 meeting soon. Pay close attention to what they are saying there. and Religion is purely mind control period.
Neermark JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:34:00 - [43] Funny how here where I live, all the petrol stations has been very busy adding a number more for the fuel prices :) Guess it's kinda the same....
kor anon Amarr Corporeal utopia for nasty tramps	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:34:00 - [44] Edited by: kor anon on 10/10/2008 16:34:41 edit: nvm **** it
Sab2 TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Che Villa Edited by: Che Villa on 09/10/2008 20:11:29 ... Energy independence should be paramount to the next leadership. Hundreds of billions of petro dollars sent to far off lands so they can build islands that look like palm trees. Take that $700 Billion from the buyout and use that money to reward companies for the first efficient cellulosic ethanol plant that produces ethanol efficiently. Use that money to reward advances that directly influence a decrease in our dependence of foreign oil. Only about 22% of the oil we import in America comes from the Persian Gulf, that seems like a good place to start. Americans could probably achieve that simply by changing their lifestyles a bit. We've already decreased the amount of gas consumed because of the high gas costs. In my opinion, the high gas costs, and this current Wall Street debacle is good for us Americans. We needed a kick in the pants. And don't buy into the fear. Local banks are still giving out loans, those of us who didn't spend like mad men are doing good. Unemployment is still well below levels in Europe, and, up until the ****ing Fed cut the rate earlier this week, the dollar was doing fairly well amid the crisis. We will weather the current storm, it is the storm gathering that I am really afraid of. While I agree with you that dependency to oil is a major problem, Using Ethanol growed from land that used to grow food will just make the matter worst. And farming use a lot of energy in itself. For Instance, If France would fuel on bio-fuel only, they will need to use somewhere around 80% of their territory to feed those bio-reactor to produce the fuel that they need. Using bio fuel will dramatically increase price of food due to lack of farming land. Its also not fully clean technology, it still burn CO2 to the atmosphere and you will need to allocate more land to agriculture, at the expanse of forests. There is already food crisis going on in some African country where citizen cannot afford rice anymore because farmers are moving to produce grain for petroleum corporations. Once the beef your eating everyday will cost 20$ a kilo for cheap cuts, You will be screwed twice. However, producing ethanol from industrial wastes is wise. But growing plant in the sole purpose of selling ethanol is just Corporation propaganda to reuse their technology. Its better to have a decentralised power grid that use Wind power, Dam or even nuclear when there is no other choice. And reusing your wastes on site. But of course to move to that, you will have to step on many toes that somehow have better access to the floor of the white house than the US citizen Mass. Sab.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.10 17:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich For once I can agree with you at least on the low taxes bit. Every presidential election the runners promise lower taxes and the people cheer but they don't realize it's screwing the nation as a whole, all they know is that it's more money in their pocket. You do realize that lower taxes actually increases Government revenue. Bush's taxes resulted in a 6% increase in government tax income. REGARDLESS, it has nothing to do with taxes. It has to do with spending. I do not accept the premise that I have to give 33% of my income to ANY government.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:27:00 - [47] Originally by: CampyloBacter Originally by: Vigilant American history shows you, if you look at it in detail, that we always have a recessesion when we fight looooong wars. Which, if you have not noticed, we have been since 9/11. America will come back as usual, once we start getting less involved in other people wars. And no, I am not against the war, just don't like cost of it from lives and financial perspective. some of the victims of 9/11 and their families might think that this ISN'T someone else's war. I happen to think that the US and Britain (my country) have stood together against the worst type of destabilising influence that want this largely peaceful world to become anarchic and ruled by an idiotic religious doctrine. Yes because Iraq played a big role in 9/11 And yes, ******s largely secular regime (abolishing sharia law, establishing a westernized legal system, giving women many new rights, having cristians in his cabinet) which was activly involved in stamping out religious zealots in iraq - was really heavily into "destabalising religious doctrine" SKUNK
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:34:00 - [48] It's most unlike you Americans to be so down on yourselves. As I said in another thread, if there's one country that can fix things in the medium and long term, it's the USA. Just don't vote for McCain!
Ankanos Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:07:00 - [49] its the central banks that are orchestrating the global meltdown..they just used us (USA) as the launch platform.. doesnt matter who gets in the whithouse, the IMF, central banks, CFR, TLC etc..own both sides, -of all the governments.. 9/11 and the "war on terror" sham was just precursor to all this. they want they're one world government they already have most of the governments taking over all the financial institutions to "save us" from the new invisible economic boogie ban. (bin laden being the first invisible boogie man) the banks are consolidating(eating) all the little fish's hard assets and robbing us blind. the same players responsible for the 1929 crash are playing us again..only the stakes are much bigger this time.. buy up any gold/silver you can find, -fiat currency is gonna flatline.. -maybe plant a garden too.. hungry times a-coming.. -ank
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Ankanos its the central banks that are orchestrating the global meltdown..they just used us (USA) as the launch platform.. doesnt matter who gets in the whithouse, the IMF, central banks, CFR, TLC etc..own both sides, -of all the governments.. 9/11 and the "war on terror" sham was just precursor to all this. they want they're one world government they already have most of the governments taking over all the financial institutions to "save us" from the new invisible economic boogie ban. (bin laden being the first invisible boogie man) the banks are consolidating(eating) all the little fish's hard assets and robbing us blind. the same players responsible for the 1929 crash are playing us again..only the stakes are much bigger this time.. buy up any gold/silver you can find, -fiat currency is gonna flatline.. -maybe plant a garden too.. hungry times a-coming.. -ank omg! Save us from the Elders of Zion!!!!
Tia Tzu Caldari G.E.A.R.	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:13:00 - [51] This is a big ol' crap sandwich and we're all going to have to take a bite. Not just the USA Of course if we decided to get back to basic fundamentals. i.e. finally doing away with fractional reserve banking. Instead of trying to put out the fire by pouring on gasoline with more leveraging and flooding the market with even more funny money it would be a different story. But I doubt thats going to happen...
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Ankanos its the central banks that are orchestrating the global meltdown..they just used us (USA) as the launch platform.. doesnt matter who gets in the whithouse, the IMF, central banks, CFR, TLC etc..own both sides, -of all the governments.. 9/11 and the "war on terror" sham was just precursor to all this. they want they're one world government they already have most of the governments taking over all the financial institutions to "save us" from the new invisible economic boogie ban. (bin laden being the first invisible boogie man) the banks are consolidating(eating) all the little fish's hard assets and robbing us blind. the same players responsible for the 1929 crash are playing us again..only the stakes are much bigger this time.. buy up any gold/silver you can find, -fiat currency is gonna flatline.. -maybe plant a garden too.. hungry times a-coming.. -ank Also, stock up on these
Night Tripper Es and Whizz	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Vigilant ..other people wars. I'm really intrigued to hear who these other people's wars are? You started them, deal with the consequences!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Jinx Barker Have a look see here: National Debt CLock Runs Out OF Digits.... Europe, I dare say, will recover much quicker and faster than we ever would at this point. Karma's a ***** ...
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:03:00 - [55] Ah, the absolute number is not the issue, it's its relation to the GDP. Ours is still less than our GDP, whereas in the UK, it's greater.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Religion is purely mind control Hold that period. Religion is mind control, yes...but only period if you assume there is no god. Now, since theology cannot be scientifically tested you can't use logic or the scientific method to prove that no god exists.
Titus Vulso Amarr Minbari Research Institute	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:12:00 - [57] Edited by: Titus Vulso on 10/10/2008 20:16:20 Originally by: Pwett Ah, the absolute number is not the issue, it's its relation to the GDP. Ours is still less than our GDP, whereas in the UK, it's greater. Where are you getting that information chief? a quick google lead me to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=277 which says as of march 2008 its equivalent to 43.2 per cent of GDP.
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:13:00 - [58] It seems that Guns are the only safe investment today.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Titus Vulso Where are you getting that information chief? a quick google lead me to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=277 which says as of march 2008 its equivalent to 43.2 per cent of GDP. The Centre for Policy studies released a report that UK debt is as much as 3x the reported amount because they don't take into account the cost of public sector pensions liabilities, the hidden costs of Labour's flagship Private Finance Initiative contracts and debts incurred by Network Rail. in 2006, the extra costs include funding public sector pensions to the tune of ú720 billion, with a further ú90 billion earmarked for local government pensions. Hidden costs of PFI, which the Government uses to deliver hospitals, schools and roads, are ú25 billion, while Network Rail's debts are ú18 billion. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2008.10.10 21:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: annoing Just goes to show that the free market, low taxes economy is working as intended For once I can agree with you at least on the low taxes bit. Every presidential election the runners promise lower taxes and the people cheer but they don't realize it's screwing the nation as a whole, all they know is that it's more money in their pocket. That is because the Socialist politicians do not want to stop their drunken sailor spending...If you cut taxes you MIGHT have less to spend...It figures modern day American politicians dont get it. Regardless, expendatures have increased far faster then any tax system could keep up with anyways. No way am I paying over 50% in taxes so some states local politician can build a bridge to the North pole with federal funds. If you guys want to be sheep and pick up the tab regardless of what is spent that is on you. I personaly prefer more responsible spending and lower taxes...Of course many of you believe that "paying taxes is your patriotic duty"... I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me

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