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Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.10.11 07:38:00 - [31] Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 11/10/2008 07:39:51 Originally by: Dez Affinity Denying the pirate that extra 20m is not going to put him out of business, you are on the losing end, he isn't. You miss the point. In this hypothetical situation, I'm paying 39M to deny the pirate 22.5M. The shooting may be (almost) over but some pvp can still happen Whether that's a worthwhile trade or not depends entirely on your point of view, and how wealthy you are. Basically, the point is that your ransoms may be rejected simply because the target can easily afford the ship loss (the whole 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose bit') and by letting their ship explode they know they're denying the pirates some additional profit. ---
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.10.11 09:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Daergaar What's the point in sitting there and NOT doing damage while slowboating back to the gate? Depends on how good your tank is holding. If it's crumbling, you have to realize that you cannot jump during 1 minute since you last did any type of aggression. So why slowboat back to the gate when you won't be able to jump out?
Alanna Kereshkova	Posted - 2008.10.11 09:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Night Tripper Edited by: Night Tripper on 10/10/2008 20:35:38 Originally by: Corwain .. especially as real life pirates were actually quite honorable. I think you been watching too many Disney films mate. I think you don't know crap about history and didn't bother to check my sources. /supported by a fellow historian. Having done a university module on piracy and privateering last year I can concur with Corwain. Most pirates tended to get more ransoms if they treated prisoners with dignity and respect. In fact ransom banks/societies were set up in a great deal of mercantile areas to recover wealthy kidnapped passengers. Obviously the less well to do were taken as slaves and galley crews but generally the corsairs were honourable men. (source taken from Peter Earles 'Corsairs of Malta and Barbary' by Sidgwick and Jackson printed 1970,pp.64-5)
Sikander 2	Posted - 2008.10.11 10:34:00 - [34] Just wanted to point out something about pirates - there is a CEO of a pirate corp, who i've heard to say that if he hears any of his corpmates dishonor a ransom, he'll blow their ship up, blow their pod up, do it again and again until they leave the corp, then wardec their new corp and blow them up over and over again. That is how badly pirates struggle to make sure people don't stereotype them as evil maniacs who won't honor anything.
Andracin Free Galactic Enterprises Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:02:00 - [35] back when I started there were alot more honorable pirates than I see around now days. Pretty much if they asked for a ransom and you paid, they un scramed you and away you went. Thats what I call pirating...Its how I still operate today. Ive even returned a ransom when I forgot to call back drones. That being said I think that there has become a gray area between griefing and pirating. As in kids who think its fun to take someone's isk and blow them up, frapsing the event to post on youtube. The latter have seemed to be alot more common in low sec areas I go through. What they don't realize, like some of the other honorable YARR's have noted, is a decrease in the people who pay ransoms. Kinda sucks for those of us who stick to a code of honor. If your going to just kill the poor sod, do it but don't spoil a legitimate source of income for the rest of us by taking away a target's trust of release.
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:17:00 - [36] lately all you get when asking for a ransom is a chat log full of abuse, wishing you well in RL and stuff like that. this week alone have had two out of game death threats ,waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha so fun catching these guys. if i ask for a ransom it gets honoured every time(same with my crew) if i don't you is goo. please hit self destruct, it gives me a timer in which too pop your ship and normally more lolz on teamspeak Your mother is a hampster and your father smells of elderberries
XxKhanxX Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:47:00 - [37] You can fuly understand why people don't pay ransoms , Eve is full of people who would scam your last isk and have absolutly no honor when it comes to ransoms.Pirating should be more viable and encouraged as another style of playing Eve , but sadly this has been ruined by the amount of players who do not and will not honor ransoms.The simple fact is the people you ransom have no way of knowing if you will honor the ransom or not and the word of mouth option just doesn't work.As the multitude of pirate corps out there is massive and growing all the time and expecting people to remember which corps will honor ransoms and which won't in the very short time scale you give them to pay up is very unlikely. Pity there isn't some way victims could know as I'm sure that would help your 'trade' a lot.At the end of the day most people will pick the fight or flight options and either kill,be killed or escape.
dame death Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:04:00 - [38] Edited by: dame death on 11/10/2008 12:04:13 Theres only 3 rules in the corp im in 1 obey row (the guv) 2 honour ransoms 3 honour 1 v 1s So whoever said pirates have no honour hasnt met us
Night Tripper Es and Whizz	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Night Tripper on 11/10/2008 12:51:18 Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Night Tripper Edited by: Night Tripper on 10/10/2008 20:35:38 Originally by: Corwain .. especially as real life pirates were actually quite honorable. I think you been watching too many Disney films mate. I think you don't know crap about history and didn't bother to check my sources. You never gave me any sources for me to check . But anyway, don't blame yourself for your ignorance. Most people have a highly romanticized notion of pirates that they have absorbed by countless fantastical movies, novels and children's books. The fact that you refer to pirates in the past tense, is a bit of a give away to your shallow understanding on this topic, pirates are quite alive and well in our current era. Here's a link for you http://news.scotsman.com/world/Big-rise-in-pirate-attacks.3657657.jp. But I suspect you won't like it, as it doesn't fit in with your cuddly pirate perception.
XxKhanxX Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:07:00 - [40] Originally by: dame death Edited by: dame death on 11/10/2008 12:04:13 Theres only 3 rules in the corp im in 1 obey row (the guv) 2 honour ransoms 3 honour 1 v 1s So whoever said pirates have no honour hasnt met us C'mon this is Eve it's full of people with no honor , it's a cold hard place , the game is designed that way and it's one of the things that attracts people to the game.But even if you do or don't honor ransoms the fact remains because the majority don't , less people wil trust you and choose not to pay.Especially as they probably see no 'honor' picking on easy victims so they will in all likelyhood presume you will not have any 'honor' at all when it comes to ransoms. Maybe CCP could incorporate some kind of ransom option that you would click on , your ship would automatically stop firing send a ransom offer to the locked target and give them a timer countdown to either pay up or or choose not to.If you destroy ships on a regular basis when getting the ransom the colour of your icon could change to something that's different from someone who honors ransoms ?
dame death Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:03:00 - [41] Originally by: XxKhanxX Originally by: dame death Edited by: dame death on 11/10/2008 12:04:13 Theres only 3 rules in the corp im in 1 obey row (the guv) 2 honour ransoms 3 honour 1 v 1s So whoever said pirates have no honour hasnt met us C'mon this is Eve it's full of people with no honor , it's a cold hard place , the game is designed that way and it's one of the things that attracts people to the game.But even if you do or don't honor ransoms the fact remains because the majority don't , less people wil trust you and choose not to pay.Especially as they probably see no 'honor' picking on easy victims so they will in all likelyhood presume you will not have any 'honor' at all when it comes to ransoms. Maybe CCP could incorporate some kind of ransom option that you would click on , your ship would automatically stop firing send a ransom offer to the locked target and give them a timer countdown to either pay up or or choose not to.If you destroy ships on a regular basis when getting the ransom the colour of your icon could change to something that's different from someone who honors ransoms ? Its the old school pirating yeh were gank u because its our job and were good at it but were honur ransoms and show houner in the heat of battle aka never abandon our mates
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 11/10/2008 07:39:51 Originally by: Dez Affinity Denying the pirate that extra 20m is not going to put him out of business, you are on the losing end, he isn't. You miss the point. In this hypothetical situation, I'm paying 39M to deny the pirate 22.5M. The shooting may be (almost) over but some pvp can still happen Whether that's a worthwhile trade or not depends entirely on your point of view, and how wealthy you are. Basically, the point is that your ransoms may be rejected simply because the target can easily afford the ship loss (the whole 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose bit') and by letting their ship explode they know they're denying the pirates some additional profit. P(getting your loot) >>> P(getting a ransom) we didn't expect you to pay. oh did I mention we blow up ships 99.9% of the time without even offering a ransom and by denying the pirate shooting at you 22.5mil you are giving the market priates 39 mil, it is a lose lose situation
Breaker77	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: VB Sarge however, there are always those out there, who fail at basic math. an example: my corporation ransomed a drake for 30mil. this drake laughed and said his insurance was worth more than that. fair enough, he wouldn't pay, so he got to sit and watch as his ship exploded. he lost a fully t2 fit drake, and 3 shield purger rigs. the basic math is something like this (numbers estimated) drake: 32mil insurance: 12mil insurance payout: 35mil isk lost due to ship explosion: 9mil isk lost due to mods: 15mil isk lost due to rigs: 45mil total isk lost: 69mil ransom asked: 30mil Depends. My main would have gone like this... My loss: isk lost due to ship explosion: 9mil isk lost due to mods: 15mil isk lost due to rigs: 45mil total isk lost: 69mil Pirate gain: Loot: 7.5mil Ransom: ransom asked: 30mil ISK saved if ransom paid: 39 mil Pirate additional profit if ransom paid: 22.5 mil I wouldn't have paid it either. I got piles of ISK, you can have the modules, I don't really care. Generally I'll only pay a ransom up to the module value of my ship, unless I'm carrying some exceptional cargo. Profit = Profit!! 7.5 million or 30 million doesn't matter. As long as you end up with more than you started you are ahead. Not to mention that killmails can be worth more than ISK to some people.
Drake Draconis Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:53:00 - [44] How can a killmail be worth anything other than a boost to ego?
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Drake Draconis How can a killmail be worth anything other than a boost to ego? It's not. Remember, the larger the E-Peen, the smaller the real one. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
zaxin diadrin Minmatar Esquires Of Questionable Intention	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Drake Draconis How can a killmail be worth anything other than a boost to ego? Well, for me, they are handy places to get tips on fittings etc, because, funnily enough, the setup currently being used by anyone may not be the ideal one, and, yes, i know that there are many different setups, but, some work a whole lot better than others, and tips are always handy
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Drake Draconis How can a killmail be worth anything other than a boost to ego? It's not. Remember, the larger the E-Peen, the smaller the real one. I can sell you a limited edition techzer0 podmail for the princely sum of 100,000,000 isk. (That's one hundred million for you non-comma users). I back all of my lossmails with a 100% authenticity guarantee, so you know that I'm not just taking your isk for a fake. Contact me in-game and I'll see what I can do for you. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>

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