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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2008.10.11 07:33:00 -
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I do not think they ignored your suggestion, they probably considered it and decided it was not good. They were many problems pointed out to them and they've agreed to address atlest 3 that I know of.
1) Minmatar BS agility was hit too hard.
2) Missles are too effective after the nerf.
3) MWD reactivation delay is too much.
Looks like they are listening, may be just not listing to you 
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.11 07:34:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Vaal Erit
The CSM is no way shape or form trying to turn EVE into a democracy. Contrary to your whining, CCP has stated in many nano threads that they are reading the feedback. They do care.
Contrary to your whining ccp has not shown any signs that they are listening to the feedback. The silly live devblog was just a reptetition of what they said some months ago in the first speed devblog. They didnt even bother to adress the issue of blasterships becoming obsolete.
If they cant be bothered to show that they care, why would anyone think they do.
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Brother Welcome
Amarr
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.11 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Welcome on 11/10/2008 07:51:22
I'm for a speed nerf implemented so long as there is consideration toward the balance issues players have already raised.
I didn't know about this vote until now, and haven't voted. Can I add mine now to the 'for's? Ah, and my alts of course.
-vk
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Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.11 10:43:00 -
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So you're into statistical data analysis hey?
Count the number of dissatisfied/complaint threads on the forums.
Count the number of satisfied/praise threads on the forums.
From this, see if you can deduce whether people are more likely to come to forums if they have a complaint.
Might well have yourself a skewed sample there chief.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Edit: alot of ppl are talking about low numbers that actually participate in the forums, but know this:
Due to a large sample size, the views of the playerbase are somewhat reflected accurately even by the smal proportion that vote, as each person has an equal and independant chance of being a "forum participant" and i doubt theres any difference between the views of a forum poster and a non-forum poster (of course a statistical anylysis there would be good, though very unlikely to happen).
From 20 questions journalists should ask about poll results:
Quote:
10. Is this a dial-in poll, a mail-in poll, or a subscriber coupon poll?
If the poll you are looking at is a dial-in. mail-in, or coupon poll, don't report the results because the respondents are self-selected. These pseudo-polls have no validity. Remember, the purpose of a poll is to draw conclusions about the population, not about the sample. In these pseudo-polls there is no way to project the results to any larger group. Scientific polls usually show different results than pseudo-polls.
The 900-number dial-in polls may be fine for deciding whether or not Larry the Lobster should be cooked on Saturday Night Live or even for dedicated fans to express their opinions on who is the greatest quarterback in the National Football League, but they have only entertainment value. There is no way to tell who actually called in, how old they are, or how many times each person called.
Never be fooled by the number of responses. In some cases a few people call in thousands of times. Even if 500,000 calls are tallied, no one has any real knowledge of what the results mean. If big numbers impress you, remember that the Literary Digest's non-scientific sample of 12,000,000 people said Landon would beat Roosevelt.
The subscriber coupon polls are just as bad. In these cases, the magazine or newspaper includes a coupon to be mailed in with the answers to the questions. Again, there is no way to know who responded and how many times. These results are not projectable even to the subscribers of the publication that includes the coupon.
Originally by: BiggestT
IMO This shows CCP dont give two f*cks or a shit about the player base, they talk about trying to make a democracy out of EVE, but its a dictatorship. What democracy favours the party that only achieved 1/3 of the votes, while the other party achieved 2/3?? Thats just ludicrous how they completely ignore the view of the majority.
We are the player base, we pay their salaries, we fund CCP. It is amazing how ignorant they are of their own customer preferences. Its obvious this nerf was a blunder, a total revamp is needed if they want to re-adjust speed, the current idea is total bogus.
2 things:
1. A democracy doesn't mean the majority gets to vote on every decision. If it did, would taxes still be raised?
2. CCP always reserved the right to make the final decision. Period.
In closing: There's only one way to vote when dealing with a commercial company. With your wallet.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Brodde Dim
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:37:00 -
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No point in voting about it really.
The majority of the players trust that CCP will fix the imbalances sooner or later.
People who are afraid their easy mode pvp will be balanced are a lot more vocal.
Few players care enough about the in game balance (not just about boosting stuff beneficial to themselfs) to argue about it on the forums.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:58:00 -
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A lot of constructive feedback was given in the feedback thread, if you can wade through pro-nano and anti-nano flaming. It was all completely ignored, however.
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Ruciza
Minmatar
The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:00:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
It was all completely ignored, however.
Because it is stupid.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:01:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Ruciza
Originally by: Cpt Branko
It was all completely ignored, however.
Because it is stupid.
NO U
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Ruciza
Minmatar
The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:22:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Ruciza on 11/10/2008 12:24:29
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Ruciza
Originally by: Cpt Branko
It was all completely ignored, however.
Because it is stupid.
NO U
Merin used an interesting term the other day, the "current metagame". If you look at what the current metagame is, according to the forum, then there exist only about 20 pvp ships now, excluding capitals. The rest is useless and comedy in one way or another. After the speed nerf, about half of those 20 will be comedy too.
What you guys want is to balance the game along the "metagame". Here's the hint: The metagame exists only on the metalevel in your brain, but not in the design documents of ccp.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:29:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ruciza
What you guys want is to balance the game along the "metagame".
You didn't read it, did you?
Can't blame you, though. It is littered with anti/pro-nano flaming and so on.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/10/2008 12:42:02
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/10/2008 12:41:03
Haha, 2:1 and that is on the forums. Forums are filled with unhappy people. That tilts the vote towards contra nerf. Add the fact that speed has been fotm for so long a huge part of the player base is abusing it. That also tilts it towards contra nerf. In fact that the vote on the forum is 2:1 against the nerf is a huge indicator of how redicilously overpowered speed is. Those against are more then enough. If this nerf was truly frowned upon the pro nerf side would have lost by huge amount and not by a tiny 2:1.
Nerf is coming and you better adapt.
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Cornette
Gallente
Black Screen of Death
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.11 16:00:00 -
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I don't mind the speednerf. What I do mind is the over the top nerfing of many things that tilts the game into a more static and "safer" game for the space holding alliances.
You are happy of the nerf because Amarr are the FOTM-race, along with Caladari, and will be even better after, effectively leaving Minmatar and Gallente in the dust.
Hm maybe I should train Caldari after all even if I not really want too. With the speed nerf I will sit safely in a falcon 200+ klicks away keeping you permajammed just to annoy you.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.11 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/10/2008 12:42:02
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/10/2008 12:41:03
Haha, 2:1 and that is on the forums. Forums are filled with unhappy people. That tilts the vote towards contra nerf. Add the fact that speed has been fotm for so long a huge part of the player base is abusing it. That also tilts it towards contra nerf. In fact that the vote on the forum is 2:1 against the nerf is a huge indicator of how redicilously overpowered speed is. Those against are more then enough. If this nerf was truly frowned upon the pro nerf side would have lost by huge amount and not by a tiny 2:1.
Nerf is coming and you better adapt.
Wow, so many people are saying this.
You need to remember that the nano nerf stemmed from OTHERs complaining about nanoes being overpowered, when thye see that their resolve is in dispute, they will argue for a nano nerf.
I lol'd at your adapt BS, i bet youd be singing a much different tune if ammar werent handed "most awesome" medals on silver platters. And besides, this nano nerf may skrew up missiles, but my railboats will be incredibly awesome so ill be fine. However im interested in fairness and balace which is in NO way reperesented in this nerf.
Awesome EVE history
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.11 18:49:00 -
[45]
Originally by: BiggestT
Edited by: BiggestT on 11/10/2008 05:25:48
2:1 ratio of the votes
Thats actually surprising many who voted for the nerf; it might actually encourage CCP to implement it.
You have to consider that CCP is used to seeing lot of whinage about nerfs, and then seeing people get used to changes, adapt, and even start to consider them fine.
Also I'm pretty confident the sample is biased; it's polling every church goer in USA for the president, and declaring you won't need the elections since results are so clear.
-Lasse
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.11 19:02:00 -
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dont know why people are calling this a whine thread....the guy is simply stating the fact that more people are against than for. Deal with it guys lol.
oh and yes, the data is perfectly accurate, stop acting like sore losers and making up excuses to why you lost.
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:08:00 -
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as always though, people are quicker to complain than praise, so the numbers i see seem rather close to me
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Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.12 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Red Thunder
you lost.
We'll see
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