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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:07:00 -
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They talk and talk, and end up coming to crazy conclusions. It's a little like mass hysteria on a team level.
Seriously.
The speed nerf, is this some sort of bizarre joke without a punchline?
The ships worst hit are battleships. Amarrian battleships for example now have a lower base speed than the Nidhoggor. Gallente blaster ships now take FOUR TIMES longer getting into range.
None of us deny that nanohacs are annoying, or that light missiles and drones should be able to hit the targets they are designed to. That is fine.
But who the hell ever said there was a problem with battleships speed and agility? There simply isn't. They're being turned into flying bricks with all the agility and speed of dreads.
It's clearly ridiculous. It clearly isnt needed. It is surely an unintended consequence of a poorly thought out plan, put together by intelligent people in the grip of some kind of bizarre hysteria.
Fix light drones. Fix light missiles. Boost afterburners. Reduce HAC speed if you must. But leave battleships out of it, beacuse you're about to break the game.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
Amarrian battleships for example now have a lower base speed than the Nidhoggor.
lol wow
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:32:00 -
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if speed and acceleration of everything is being cut why leave out the BS? so there is even less incentive to fly anything except BS and Caps ?
but I agree that the nerf is not at all well thought out and that it will do a lot more harm then good, just look at the nanofiber currently on sisi and compare it to the other speedmods, they are not even balanced against each other let alone other fitting options, it is a joke really and that is just one small example
I am not even sure it is possible to salvage these speed changes and adjust them to something sensible and balanced, maybe it is better to go back to the drawing board completely
why not just nerf the unbalanced ships (those that deliver dps while going at fast speeds aka droneboats and missile ships) and leave the rest alone ?
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:11:00 -
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If they do all the other changes no need to change base speed and mass on any ship if you ask me.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
If they do all the other changes no need to change base speed and mass on any ship if you ask me.
So how do you propose that blaster ships should actually work?
How do you consider it reasonable that battleships have similar base speeds to carriers?
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:44:00 -
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The spped nerf had a huge majority against , myself and plenty of others who roam 0.0
in hacs are sick and tired of carebears who whine about nano ships .
Just because they cant kill a nano hac we now have to suffer our gameplay for them ?.
I,m sorry but if you cant play the game or know how to kill a nano ship then go play something a bit more cuddly like pokemon .
Your basically killing pvp in 0.0 .
I roam provi/catch/curse killed nano ships and been killed , its doable if you have an ounce of common sense .
Solo roams will be broken , and fat lard arsed bships will be broken .
Keep breaking the game CCP ..... that Icelandic bank account got an overdraft facility ?.
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin
The spped nerf had a huge majority against , myself and plenty of others who roam 0.0
in hacs are sick and tired of carebears who whine about nano ships .
Just because they cant kill a nano hac we now have to suffer our gameplay for them ?.
I,m sorry but if you cant play the game or know how to kill a nano ship then go play something a bit more cuddly like pokemon .
Your basically killing pvp in 0.0 .
I roam provi/catch/curse killed nano ships and been killed , its doable if you have an ounce of common sense .
Solo roams will be broken , and fat lard arsed bships will be broken .
Keep breaking the game CCP ..... that Icelandic bank account got an overdraft facility ?.
Just because you can't play the game well enough to figure out viable setups without nano'ing.. oh you see where I'm goiung with this.
Nerf nanos, save webs, save MWD's; save eve from itself.
Abusive | Deadspace | Deadspace2 |
M0rning5tar
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: M0rning5tar on 14/10/2008 23:25:13
As much as I dislike bitter puppies horrendous posting and constant whining in CAOD...
he's on point with this post. Worse yet, interceptors are hit even harder than battleships (even blaster boats.) Try flying a ceptor on the sisi, it's a sick joke.
Way to ruin the game ccp, hi5!
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steveid
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:33:00 -
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and round about how often do you log in and play butter dog? You keep your subscription for bitter dog purposes on COAD.
I for one think blaster ships will be getting a boost as will gallente ships in general. I'll be keeping the reason's why to myself so i can pwn people in the face but the mega, dominix, taranis and arazu will all be better ships after the patch.
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M0rning5tar
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:40:00 -
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I have no love for bitter puppy either, but you honestly think the mega is better off after the patch? You're being silly m8 
Blaster ships are screwed post patch. Interceptors are screwed post patch. Both blaster ships and interceptors are fine as of now, why would ccp make blanket changes to fix a small problem?
No offense m8, but this fix is the dumbest thing I've seen ccp do and that includes the t20 incident.
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Crewman Jenkins
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Posted - 2008.10.15 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Crewman Jenkins on 15/10/2008 05:24:13
THEIF!!
Anyway, are we sure the changes on the test server right now are the final changes? It is the test server..its for testing.
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Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Conlin
The spped nerf had a huge majority against , myself and plenty of others who roam 0.0
in hacs are sick and tired of carebears who whine about nano ships .
Just because they cant kill a nano hac we now have to suffer our gameplay for them ?.
I,m sorry but if you cant play the game or know how to kill a nano ship then go play something a bit more cuddly like pokemon .
Your basically killing pvp in 0.0 .
I roam provi/catch/curse killed nano ships and been killed , its doable if you have an ounce of common sense .
Solo roams will be broken , and fat lard arsed bships will be broken .
Keep breaking the game CCP ..... that Icelandic bank account got an overdraft facility ?.
Just because you can't play the game well enough to figure out viable setups without nano'ing.. oh you see where I'm goiung with this.
Nerf nanos, save webs, save MWD's; save eve from itself.
Poor comeback ..., attacking me personally , reason being ?, your lack of input or are you one who cannot play the game and is a carebear who cannot kill hacs ?. The game doesnt need fixing . There is no overall imbalance , till now with this proposed nerf .
Whats next ?.
We all roam in passive shield tanked drakes and the carebears want them nerfed next ?.
Who says I cant play the game with viable setups without nano'ing ?, you ?, youve no idea what ships I fly .
I,ve been playing online games for years and everytime the first nerf patch is released to supposedly fix something it starts a viscious circle .
This patch is just screwed up , youl,l kill the overdrives , polycarb & hac markets just to keep the minority who cannot play the game happy .
And stupid keep the personal attacks to yourself and try and keep a mature level of discussion 
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Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
and round about how often do you log in and play butter dog? You keep your subscription for bitter dog purposes on COAD.
I for one think blaster ships will be getting a boost as will gallente ships in general. I'll be keeping the reason's why to myself so i can pwn people in the face but the mega, dominix, taranis and arazu will all be better ships after the patch.
Butterdog is ingame more than you think , you here just to insult him or actually make a contribution to this topic ?.
Yeah lets look at the arazu shall we ?.
Screwed up after the last nerf on damps , now needs another nerf to make it a better ship , my point is made regarding the "nerf culture!" .
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.10.15 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Conlin
The spped nerf had a huge majority against , myself and plenty of others who roam 0.0
in hacs are sick and tired of carebears who whine about nano ships .
Just because they cant kill a nano hac we now have to suffer our gameplay for them ?.
I,m sorry but if you cant play the game or know how to kill a nano ship then go play something a bit more cuddly like pokemon .
Your basically killing pvp in 0.0 .
I roam provi/catch/curse killed nano ships and been killed , its doable if you have an ounce of common sense .
Solo roams will be broken , and fat lard arsed bships will be broken .
Keep breaking the game CCP ..... that Icelandic bank account got an overdraft facility ?.
Just because you can't play the game well enough to figure out viable setups without nano'ing.. oh you see where I'm goiung with this.
Nerf nanos, save webs, save MWD's; save eve from itself.
Poor comeback ..., attacking me personally , reason being ?, your lack of input or are you one who cannot play the game and is a carebear who cannot kill hacs ?. The game doesnt need fixing . There is no overall imbalance , till now with this proposed nerf .
Whats next ?.
We all roam in passive shield tanked drakes and the carebears want them nerfed next ?.
Who says I cant play the game with viable setups without nano'ing ?, you ?, youve no idea what ships I fly .
I,ve been playing online games for years and everytime the first nerf patch is released to supposedly fix something it starts a viscious circle .
This patch is just screwed up , youl,l kill the overdrives , polycarb & hac markets just to keep the minority who cannot play the game happy .
And stupid keep the personal attacks to yourself and try and keep a mature level of discussion
You're telling me to keep a mature level of conversation? Are you even reading the shit you've typed? Go reread your last post, and this one again, then go to time out.
Abusive | Deadspace | Deadspace2 |
Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Conlin on 15/10/2008 06:14:15
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Conlin
The spped nerf had a huge majority against , myself and plenty of others who roam 0.0
in hacs are sick and tired of carebears who whine about nano ships .
Just because they cant kill a nano hac we now have to suffer our gameplay for them ?.
I,m sorry but if you cant play the game or know how to kill a nano ship then go play something a bit more cuddly like pokemon .
Your basically killing pvp in 0.0 .
I roam provi/catch/curse killed nano ships and been killed , its doable if you have an ounce of common sense .
Solo roams will be broken , and fat lard arsed bships will be broken .
You started the insult game .
Least I,m makin an attempt to be constructive , I'd suggest you adhere to your own advice
Keep breaking the game CCP ..... that Icelandic bank account got an overdraft facility ?.
Just because you can't play the game well enough to figure out viable setups without nano'ing.. oh you see where I'm goiung with this.
Nerf nanos, save webs, save MWD's; save eve from itself.
Poor comeback ..., attacking me personally , reason being ?, your lack of input or are you one who cannot play the game and is a carebear who cannot kill hacs ?. The game doesnt need fixing . There is no overall imbalance , till now with this proposed nerf .
Whats next ?.
We all roam in passive shield tanked drakes and the carebears want them nerfed next ?.
Who says I cant play the game with viable setups without nano'ing ?, you ?, youve no idea what ships I fly .
I,ve been playing online games for years and everytime the first nerf patch is released to supposedly fix something it starts a viscious circle .
This patch is just screwed up , youl,l kill the overdrives , polycarb & hac markets just to keep the minority who cannot play the game happy .
And stupid keep the personal attacks to yourself and try and keep a mature level of discussion
You're telling me to keep a mature level of conversation? Are you even reading the shit you've typed? Go reread your last post, and this one again, then go to time out.
Well mate you came here and started throwin the insults first , dont start crying if I hurt your feelings .
Take some of your own advice and try and be a bit more constructive . I,II use shorter words for you if you wish 
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.15 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/10/2008 10:43:54
Originally by: steveid
I for one think blaster ships will be getting a boost as will gallente ships in general. I'll be keeping the reason's why to myself so i can pwn people in the face but the mega, dominix, taranis and arazu will all be better ships after the patch.
You're going to have to qualify this a little, because as a mostly gallente spec'd character I'm simply unable to reach the same conclusion.
I would agree if it were simply a speed reduction (to a point), hwoever when combined with other factors such as web nerf and scram changes... being a blaster pilot is going to be pure misery and 100% suicide.
Arazu's will be more effective from a scram perspective, but their EWAR is still as useless as ever (well, not ever, prior to the damp nerf they were actually good ewar boats). But thats another subject.
I'm specifically talking about the effect of reduced agility and speed on close range battleships, and how this change is neither wanted or needed. Nano-BS simply are not an issue in the way they once where, so I find the impact of this change highly undesirable.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Draahk Chimera
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
So how do you propose that blaster ships should actually work?
How do you consider it reasonable that battleships have similar base speeds to carriers?
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
If they do all the other changes no need to change base speed and mass on any ship if you ask me.
Read first, flame later.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Originally by: Butter Dog
So how do you propose that blaster ships should actually work?
How do you consider it reasonable that battleships have similar base speeds to carriers?
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
If they do all the other changes no need to change base speed and mass on any ship if you ask me.
Read first, flame later.
Yes I really didn't read your post at all did I, my apologies.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Varrakk
Phantom Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 13:11:00 -
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These nerf stats suffers from over-engineering.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:11:00 -
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the thing i'm trying to put across is there is no such thing as a nerf, just a change in the goal posts, one ships nerf is anothers boost.
With regards to the mega i'm also not saying that this wont awfully gimp it, what I am saying is that in relation to other ships it will make it more useful rather than less. The same is true of the ranis and dominix and the arazu benefits are self explanatory.
Think about the taranis for instance. As nanofits become much less viable the gap in speed between the ranis and other ceptors shrinks, as mwd becomes shut off by scrams the benefits of three mids and overpowering close range damage become clear and the ranis will be able to pwn more than ever (and its the best anti ceptor ceptor now).
as far as bs pvp goes mwd shut off via scrams doesn't worry me really, it'll be all about getting enough inertia to coast to your target once mwd is shut off and thats only gonna be 13km max. The lack of agility will help in these situations. The only real problem is getting into that range and tbh thats what tacklers are for, mega isn't going to be the solo boat that the dominix can be.
As someone who flys all races ceptors the only thing about the speed change that worries me is the sig radious of warrior drones. If they can catch me I want them to be easy to shoot.
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