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Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:04:00 - [1] The arguments from people against the ghost training nerf. You do realize that they allowed it for over 5 years? Who gives a crap if it was intended or not. They have realized that a lot of people have been taking advantage of it and it is hurting their income. So if you really must, respond with "Oh, they'll realize it's gonna hurt them sooo bad when I quit with all my characters and companies shouldn't lie to us and all that nothingness!" They didn't lie to you. They said we are a company, we are here to make money, it's not a secret. All of you children *****ing about this probably have your mommies pay for your subs anyway, give me back my General Discussion. And of course, can I have your stuff? --
Kalius Prime D10 Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:12:00 - [2] You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. Link?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. how and where was this so? ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Haks'he Lirky Burning Bright Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:14:00 - [5] what is worse? People whining or people opening multiple threads about the same subject? You are contributing to the whining, good job.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. --
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. i think he probably means that other people used this point to sell potential players on it as i'm almost certain that CCP have never, not once, never ever said that this was an intended and supported feature. ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:16:00 - [8] IBTL You people realize that every time you create a new ****ing Ghost Training thread they do lock it, right. Guess RZR fails at reading comprehension too. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:17:00 - [9] I wonder if people will yell if they took out the in-game browser. Maybe it was a "selling feature" too! - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. It have never been an official or unofficial selling point from CCP. The offline skilltraining however have been! But those two are completely different. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Piper Halliwell IBTL You people realize that every time you create a new ****ing Ghost Training thread they do lock it, right. Guess RZR fails at reading comprehension too. At least we can have fun in this thread while it lasts __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:19:00 - [12] Well before its locked old wise sage guy (like I don't know what happens, there is still discussion going on in here, isn't there), at least we will have less lag when all of the whiny peeps nerd-rage quit over this. --
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. It was on the homepage under the explanation of "skill training" but was ninja edited yesterday.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:24:00 - [14] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/10/2008 19:24:17 Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. It was on the homepage under the explanation of "skill training" but was ninja edited yesterday. Yes, and it only said "skills will continue when accounts go inactive", it ws no selling point, it was a fact. Now it was EDITED, not ninja-edited, out. Why? Because it's no longer a fact. Ninja edit would be "we're not telling you were changing things and remove all facts about it". My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Markus Chen Caldari Super Friends Club Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. i think he probably means that other people used this point to sell potential players on it as i'm almost certain that CCP have never, not once, never ever said that this was an intended and supported feature. I don't know if this has been clarified yet but I will do it assuming not. In the player guide talking about skills it mentioned that that eve online was different from other MMOs because it allowed you to train while offline and on inactive accounts. This has been changed in lieu of the new anti-ghost-training "feature"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Markus Chen I don't know if this has been clarified yet but I will do it assuming not. In the player guide talking about skills it mentioned that that eve online was different from other MMOs because it allowed you to train while offline and on inactive accounts. This has been changed in lieu of the new anti-ghost-training "feature" And that's a lie. It was never, not even in the screenshots used to "prove" this, said "this game is different because skills train when your account is inactive", it simply stated that skills will train. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Pesky LaRue i'm almost certain that CCP have never, not once, never ever said that this was an intended and supported feature. Be careful with that sort of statement. There's an awful lot of things that CCP have never said are intended, but currently document. I suppose what I'm saying is you can't have it both ways. People can't complain about nano changes, changes to CONCORD, and all that stuff, because CCP have never actually gone and said all that stuff was 'intended', and complain when people complain about this change. People will complain. Better to let them do so and feel some carthatic relief than argue over trivia that are meaningless anyway because CCP are doing this whether we like it or not. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/10/2008 19:24:17 Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. It was on the homepage under the explanation of "skill training" but was ninja edited yesterday. Yes, and it only said "skills will continue when accounts go inactive", it ws no selling point, it was a fact. Now it was EDITED, not ninja-edited, out. Why? Because it's no longer a fact. Ninja edit would be "we're not telling you were changing things and remove all facts about it". Yea Sheriff, it was a fact, or game feature, and not a "bug". The declaration of it being a "bug" is what is rubbing everyone the wrong way.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Yea Sheriff, it was a fact, or game feature, and not a "bug". The declaration of it being a "bug" is what is rubbing everyone the wrong way. And? There's plenty of bugs tha are known about, but still there, ad as far as documentation goes, they tell the truth. Dare i say this? Yes i dare. Maybe they didn't have time to fix such an "important bug" because of all the lag/drone/race whines? By the way, if the only reason people are angry is saying the word bug, in this business, bug means a feature that is not supposed to be in. Games have plenty of bugs in them that are bugs, but are stated as "that's how it is" until it's fixed. Unintended feature is a bug as much as a crashing game. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Kalius Prime You do realize that it was one of CCP's selling points. And no I am not quitting. Not attacking, but can you show me where it is listed as this? Curious. It was on the homepage under the explanation of "skill training" but was ninja edited yesterday. CCP's website also says this: Quote: CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUÆVE CREATED. In other words, just because it was in the player guide doesn't mean it was set in stone __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Yea Sheriff, it was a fact, or game feature, and not a "bug". The declaration of it being a "bug" is what is rubbing everyone the wrong way. And? There's plenty of bugs tha are known about, but still there, ad as far as documentation goes, they tell the truth. Dare i say this? Yes i dare. Maybe they didn't have time to fix such an "important bug" because of all the lag/drone/race whines? By the way, if the only reason people are angry is saying the word bug, in this business, bug means a feature that is not supposed to be in. Games have plenty of bugs in them that are bugs, but are stated as "that's how it is" until it's fixed. Unintended feature is a bug as much as a crashing game. Yeah i think that if it was a "bug" it wouldn't have taken 5 years to fix. Or maybe that's just my common sense talking.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Yeah i think that if it was a "bug" it wouldn't have taken 5 years to fix. Or maybe that's just my common sense talking. cough looks around Have you seen the complaints about 5 year old bugs "still not being fixed!"? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:46:00 - [23] Please keep discussions on the subject of Ghost training to this thread. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Yeah i think that if it was a "bug" it wouldn't have taken 5 years to fix. Or maybe that's just my common sense talking. cough looks around Have you seen the complaints about 5 year old bugs "still not being fixed!"? This bug would as much time to fix as me typing this sentence. It's a very simple change, not very complicated at all. /pats sheriff's head for trying
Kalius Prime D10 Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:00:00 - [25] Well it "was" in the official players guide.

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