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Sunshine Grifter Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:16:00 - [1] Do market buy / sell and R&D and manufacturing and all that stuff that 'ticks on as time goes on' still remain active if the account is no longer 'paid' or is it only skills that stop training? Thanks
Noel Byron	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:19:00 - [2] I'll soon find out - I have several inactive chars selling stuff for my corp. :D Noel
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:25:00 - [3] Good gods I certainly hope so. Get rid of the RP farmers (I've talked with one who plays SecondLife [coming to an Eve station near you, soon(TM)] who explained that they have something like 7 accounts with 3 alts each doing nothing but RP accrual. He comes back every 3 months and 'cashes out' to pay up his main). Now, all you have to do is get rid of the macro miners now protected by the gankpruuf(tm) patch.
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:26:00 - [4] This point was raised earlier here, I'm trying to get some clarification out of the devs. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
PK Menthol	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:35:00 - [5] They certainly need to make this happen: ghost anything needs to be removed or its just half a job.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Mister Xerox Good gods I certainly hope so. Get rid of the RP farmers (I've talked with one who plays SecondLife [coming to an Eve station near you, soon(TM)] who explained that they have something like 7 accounts with 3 alts each doing nothing but RP accrual. He comes back every 3 months and 'cashes out' to pay up his main). Now, all you have to do is get rid of the macro miners now protected by the gankpruuf(tm) patch. Good gods I certainly hope NOT! Sure you get rid of the farmers but you royally screw the individual who misses payment. While you may not be in this situation imagine this: you forget to renew your sub with a GTC or dont have enough funds in your account, sub gets canceled and you happen to be a heavy industralist. Things like your skills, your many sell orders, RP agents and everything else under the sun gets stopped because you forgot to take care of the sub. If this is indeed the case then CCP needs to do one of two things or face a very **ed of customer base: they either need to introduce a 24 hour grace period to allow accounts that were accidently late in payment to pay within 24 hours without their activites being stopped. Or when the account is inactive these activities are merely paused but will resume once the account begins again. I would personally be very **ed of if just because I missed payment that 100 sell orders were taken down, I have to run to every research agent to get them started again and so forth just because I was late in getting a GTC or making sure I had enough money to cover this months play time. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Dmian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:53:00 - [7] Thread merge! ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Jacob Mei If this is indeed the case then CCP needs to do one of two things or face a very ****ed of customer base No; they'd face a ticked-off NON-customer base. And why should CCP care about people who arne't paying them money? ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Jacob Mei If this is indeed the case then CCP needs to do one of two things or face a very ****ed of customer base No; they'd face a ticked-off NON-customer base. And why should CCP care about people who arne't paying them money? Read my post again, I said people who are LATE IN PAYMENT. Take this for an example, this happened to me several times: My bank monitors my online transactions and will from time to time deny payment of one or more of my accounts because to them, several groups of 15 dollars going out of my account seems odd. I then have to call and let them know its okay and then resub the affected accounts. Should I be punished with having to remake my sell orders, which could cost millions of isk, have to run all over the galaxy to get my RP agents going again, restart my manufactoring, copying, and research just because the bank intervined in a automated transaction? Because its an event that I cant control (when the bank blocks payment on the grounds that to them it may be someone frauding me) if this happened more then a few times id sooner quit the game then have to potentally redo all of that stuff every time the bank felt it needed to act. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Bald Rikk The Legendary Fleet	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:26:00 - [10] You also asked for a grace period. There is one. It's 3 days. But grats on the wall of text -- Baldrikk Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:44:00 - [11] I hope so although really they need to at least give a tiny bit of grace time as I don;nt usually buy new gtc till it tells me I need one. guess I'll just have to be more aware from now on Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Mire Stoude Cash Money Brothers Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Jacob Mei Good gods I certainly hope NOT! Sure you get rid of the farmers but you royally screw the individual who misses payment. I don't like when I am late on a bill either or the late fee attached to the mistake. But that just means I should make more of an effort to pay on time and/or be able to afford my bills.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.15 23:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Mire Stoude Originally by: Jacob Mei Good gods I certainly hope NOT! Sure you get rid of the farmers but you royally screw the individual who misses payment. I don't like when I am late on a bill either or the late fee attached to the mistake. But that just means I should make more of an effort to pay on time and/or be able to afford my bills. Ah but what about when a third parts (AKA the bank) decides that your payment might be fraud and blocks it? Is it still right to punish the individual for that? Moot point though if the grace period is indeed 3 days. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:09:00 - [14] it makes very little sense for all these things to be nerfed too Trashed sig, Shark was here
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:13:00 - [15] It should be nerfed. Otherwise some people would just stack all slots of inactive accounts with R@D chars. And will activate only every few month to milk their alts of datacores.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:15:00 - [16] Edited by: SiJira on 17/10/2008 17:15:14 Originally by: Deviana Sevidon It should be nerfed. Otherwise some people would just stack all slots of inactive accounts with R@D chars. And will activate only every few month to milk their alts of datacores. so what do you suggest? if a manufacturing or research job is canceled then you lose all the payments you made to start them - does that seem like a good use of dev time to fix these issues for people that had billing issues? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:24:00 - [17] Originally by: SiJira so what do you suggest? if a manufacturing or research job is canceled then you lose all the payments you made to start them - does that seem like a good use of dev time to fix these issues for people that had billing issues? Just to put the Job on hold during account inactivity. As long as the account is suspended, the R&D agent stop to produce any R&D points and continues only after account has been reactivated. Research Jobs on BPO and Manufacturing jobs may still be completed, but just because it might create other issues with corp BPO that become inaccessable. Buy orders and Sell orders in the Market are also to be put on hold during account inactivity. In effect they become invisible and cannot be fullfilled, they should not expire while being "ghosted" and continue as normal after account reactivation.
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Just to put the Job on hold during account inactivity. As long as the account is suspended, the R&D agent stop to produce any R&D points and continues only after account has been reactivated. This. Even though ghost-research netted me a couple of billion ISK when I came back, it's still a pretty daft thing to have happening. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Yakumo Smith Gallente When Darkness Falls	Posted - 2008.10.17 21:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Yakumo Smith on 17/10/2008 21:09:45 Originally by: Sunshine Grifter Do market buy / sell and R&D and manufacturing and all that stuff that 'ticks on as time goes on' still remain active if the account is no longer 'paid' or is it only skills that stop training? Thanks Make it happen. CEO's who haven't paid should have corps closed if they don't return within 2 months. Clean up the dead wood...or perhaps this won't generate rl money for CCP Edited to add. Include research jobs too :) I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.10.17 21:37:00 - [20] I agree I think they should do this. Tho They need to sort out stuff for the corp. I mean one someone does a job for the corp should stay up! Tho allowing someone to change the corp sale/buy orders. Trinity Corporate Services
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.17 21:41:00 - [21] Don't mess up CCP's new slogan: Inconsistency. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.10.17 23:45:00 - [22] Locked. This is a duplicate thread on the same subject as the stickies in Information Portal, please place questions for discussion there. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang


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