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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:46:00 -
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Investment Opportunity
Looking for a 1 billion ISK investment.
60 days after investment the inital sum + 20% will be returned.
I could actually use considerably more ISK but as this is my first foray into this area I am trying to keep it small.
Minimum investment: 100m
Maximum investment: 1Bn
What are you investing in?
I run a niche-market operation in null sec space.
This involves providing items that I have over a years experience of supplying to NPC 0.0 at a rate of return that reflects the extra risk taken to get them there.
I have recently (read: last 4 months) run several recon missions into other NPC areas and placed sample orders.
The sample orders have produced favorable results but due to the nature of my operation I dont have enough liquid ISK to make the push into the new markets.
Who are you investing in?
My name is Ballistic CEO.
Im a long term MMO player and after several stints in other games landed in Eve around christmas 2006.
I have always gone for the crafter/producer type character.
I find most fun making, buying and selling items.
After running the trial to find out what was what I re-rolled and started BCORP with a group of friends in January 2007.
Id like to say that as a group we went from strength to strength but unfotunately most of them didnt have the stomach for the infamous Eve-o learning curve.
I got used to playing on my own so thats what I do now.
The majority of my SP is in the industry and trade sections.
Ive tried: character sales, t2 invention and production, blueprint copying, mineral trading and etc and etc.
I have a 12 month sub which expires January each year and a dog called Ruskie.
Why not sell a timecard instead Balli?
Im a long time reader of the forums though I rarely feel the need to reply.
Im obviously aware that trust is something that I can earn only by coming up with the goods a few times.
This is my first step in this direction which is why I am keeping the amount of ISK involved very small.
What I am hoping to get from this deal is firstly more profit and secondly threads that I can point people to in future if I increase the scale of my activities.
Questions in this thread, and thanks for your time.
B CEO
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:46:00 -
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Investment Opportunity
Looking for a 1 billion ISK investment.
60 days after investment the inital sum + 20% will be returned.
I could actually use considerably more ISK but as this is my first foray into this area I am trying to keep it small.
Minimum investment: 100m
Maximum investment: 1Bn
What are you investing in?
I run a niche-market operation in null sec space.
This involves providing items that I have over a years experience of supplying to NPC 0.0 at a rate of return that reflects the extra risk taken to get them there.
I have recently (read: last 4 months) run several recon missions into other NPC areas and placed sample orders.
The sample orders have produced favorable results but due to the nature of my operation I dont have enough liquid ISK to make the push into the new markets.
Who are you investing in?
My name is Ballistic CEO.
Im a long term MMO player and after several stints in other games landed in Eve around christmas 2006.
I have always gone for the crafter/producer type character.
I find most fun making, buying and selling items.
After running the trial to find out what was what I re-rolled and started BCORP with a group of friends in January 2007.
Id like to say that as a group we went from strength to strength but unfotunately most of them didnt have the stomach for the infamous Eve-o learning curve.
I got used to playing on my own so thats what I do now.
The majority of my SP is in the industry and trade sections.
Ive tried: character sales, t2 invention and production, blueprint copying, mineral trading and etc and etc.
I have a 12 month sub which expires January each year and a dog called Ruskie.
Why not sell a timecard instead Balli?
Im a long time reader of the forums though I rarely feel the need to reply.
Im obviously aware that trust is something that I can earn only by coming up with the goods a few times.
This is my first step in this direction which is why I am keeping the amount of ISK involved very small.
What I am hoping to get from this deal is firstly more profit and secondly threads that I can point people to in future if I increase the scale of my activities.
Questions in this thread, and thanks for your time.
B CEO
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:08:00 -
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Have you had, or would you mind, anybody audit you?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:37:00 -
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If you have been playing consistantly for 2 yrs, why do you need 1B.
That seems a small amount that you should easily earnt in that time in a profitable business?
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Cinta Verick
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:56:00 -
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 Originally by: cosmoray
If you have been playing consistantly for 2 yrs, why do you need 1B.
That seems a small amount that you should easily earnt in that time in a profitable business?
I would ask the same question. 1B is not a large sum of ISK for an experienced CEO such as yourself.
However I maybe willing to invest 200m. I will speak with you later.
Reserve me 200m.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:18:00 -
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Hi get one of our AA (Armchair Auditor) guys to check out your API key and report here. You said you have been supplying these locations for a few months so your API data should definitely back up those claims. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:23:00 -
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I'll loan the whole sum, at a better rate than ebank, subject to you passing an API audit and a few other questions. If you have any collateral that could be held by a third party for the duration of the loan, that would also help.
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DIY copying in Liekuri
20:1 mineral compression
Eve Online folding@home team |
Phillipe d'Order
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:46:00 -
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You have to start somewhere.
I'd like to reserve a 200m share, pending audit.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I'll loan the whole sum, at a better rate than ebank,
EBANK didn't actually offer to loan this guy any cash so you probably could have gotten better rates off him  . Generally EBANK steer away from lowsec/nullsec operations. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.17 04:47:00 -
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No thanks. I'd suggest everyone else to avoid it as well. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:15:00 -
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To the OP,
You have been asked some questions (re: API audit, level of personal funds) above, but have declined to answer.
Do you honestly think you will get funding if you don't communicate with potential investors.
You are now pretty close to fail!
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Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
Dragon and Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:15:00 -
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I'd like to invest 200m but you need to answer the questions put forth.
Also, are these shares in the corp that we are buying? And how much is each share? What is your back out plan if you're not making the isk that you think you'll be making?
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:20:00 -
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heh. Given the lack of good investment opportunity's at the moment im not surprised you are lacking patience.
so some answers, not necessarily in order:
Q. If you have been playing consistantly for 2 yrs, why do you need 1B.
That seems a small amount that you should easily earnt in that time in a profitable business?
A. I dont actually log on that much, I have a wife and a child so my time is limited. I get on enough to make a living and have some fun. I actually answered re. the 1bn in my initial post, ill quote for you:
"I could actually use considerably more ISK but as this is my first foray into this area I am trying to keep it small."
"Im obviously aware that trust is something that I can earn only by coming up with the goods a few times.
This is my first step in this direction which is why I am keeping the amount of ISK involved very small.
What I am hoping to get from this deal is firstly more profit and secondly threads that I can point people to in future if I increase the scale of my activities."
I come in here screaming "gief me 100bn ISKz!!!" its not a good look tbh.
Q. Would you submit to an audit?
A. The short answer is no, I wouldnt.
HOWEVER I am willing to put 1bn worth of goods up as collateral IF i can find a party I trust. Its catch 22: you dont trust me with your ISK, why should I trust someone with my 1bn assets? Find me someone with the a reputation I can look at ill let them hold the 1bn until the 60 days is up.
Whether or not the audit thing impacts on people willing to invest is not an issue for me: Im not giving the information regarding the alt characters I use to get into 0.0 or the actual details of the items I am selling to ANYONE, they have been a steady earner for far longer than I would have expected and im not prepared to give that up now.
B CEO
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:24:00 -
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If you are willing to put up collateral, I will happily loan you the 1B at 2% per week. That is cheaper than what you are offering to the market.
If you are using BPO's as collateral I would also do research or make copies for you.
Minimum loan period is 1 month (8%), but you can pay off loan at any time, and get collateral back.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:06:00 -
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I'd like to take the opportunity to point out that many significantly wealthier people have provided me with their API information, and that no-one has ever complained that bad things have happened to their lines of profit because of an audit that I've done.
If you're providing 100% collateral, I'll accept 7% per month, and I can also make the same offer as cosmoray regarding BPOs. There are several people I would trust to hold the collateral, but if I were to lend you the whole sum myself, and it doesn't significantly exceed the value of the loan, it would be considerable simpler just to do this as a loan contract, or just to use an item exchange contract to make the swap.
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DIY copying in Liekuri
20:1 mineral compression
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
What I am hoping to get from this deal is firstly more profit and secondly threads that I can point people to in future if I increase the scale of my activities."
I come in here screaming "gief me 100bn ISKz!!!" its not a good look tbh.
Ahh good idea, its best to build a small reputation before you scam rather than starting out by coming in screaming "gief me 100bn ISKz!!!"
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
Whether or not the audit thing impacts on people willing to invest is not an issue for me: Im not giving the information regarding the alt characters I use to get into 0.0 or the actual details of the items I am selling to ANYONE, they have been a steady earner for far longer than I would have expected and im not prepared to give that up now.
B CEO
100% Collateral should be fine but as to auditing, if you can't trust one of our trusted auditors, such as Kazuo, with information about your small-time operation (and yes it is a small-time operation because if it were some pot of gold you wouldn't be here) then I'd advise everyone to steer clear of this investment. If they "have been a steady earner" then you are either full of shit or you spend too much isk on toys.
Personally, I'd trust Kazuo with my first born because he has built up a trust-based reputation. Obviously that is your call but considering what you say you do, an audit is the best way to confirm this.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Personally, I'd trust Kazuo with my first born because he has built up a trust-based reputation. Obviously that is your call but considering what you say you do, an audit is the best way to confirm this.
I agree, Kazou has a gold solid reputation. I'd trust him with my entire portfolio.
If you cannot accept an audit now, however small it may be at the moment, your chances of scaling up in the future are pretty slim to none. |
Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:30:00 -
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Or you could build a much bigger reputation then take off with 750m ISK, then pretend you had nothing to do with it and start the same scam over again? Oops.....
I dont trust people I dont know, I dont really give a crap if hes one of your trusted friends, I could pull 500 'trusted friends' out of my ass to audit you as well, what does that achieve?
So that makes a few camps:
Camp one:
we want an audit. I cant help you, move along and try not to troll on your way out.
Camp two:
we want collateral. I am trying to help you and as soon as I find a 'safe' place to put some collateral ill update the thread.
thank you again for your time, I guess this is pretty much dead in the water at this point unless I find someone I can trust with MY assets.
B CEO
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:06:00 -
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If you want the cheapest financing you can go the loan route.
Any person who provides a loan will want collateral (that the lender holds).
I don't really understand your trust issues with loans. You are providing 1B in collateral for a 1B loan. Even if the person kept your stuff you have the 1B, so not much of a downside.
There are plenty of sources for loans:
EBank
BMBE
Some individuals who I know make Private loans (many others)
Cosmoray
Kazuo
Kwint
The one thing I can guarantee is that those people above have a reputation to them which has a much higher value than 1B ISK.
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Atherin Gaius on 17/10/2008 17:15:38
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
Or you could build a much bigger reputation then take off with 750m ISK, then pretend you had nothing to do with it and start the same scam over again? Oops.....
I dont trust people I dont know, I dont really give a crap if hes one of your trusted friends, I could pull 500 'trusted friends' out of my ass to audit you as well, what does that achieve?
So that makes a few camps:
Camp one:
we want an audit. I cant help you, move along and try not to troll on your way out.
Camp two:
we want collateral. I am trying to help you and as soon as I find a 'safe' place to put some collateral ill update the thread.
thank you again for your time, I guess this is pretty much dead in the water at this point unless I find someone I can trust with MY assets.
B CEO
Welcome to EVE Investing.
This is how we do things here. Audits and collateral lockdowns by third parties.
We've been doing this a lot longer than you have and our third parties have reputations and relationships within our community that are worth far more than your 1bil in collateral. If you've been a "long time reader of the forums" you would know who our trusted friends are and why we trust them.
Based on your attitude I don't see you ever successfully subscribing a full IPO.
If I was actually going to consider this as an investment I would want a minimum of 15% a month with the risk that you are presenting. The people here asking for 7 and 8 percent are way to nice.
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:21:00 -
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good points, well presented. Dont like my attitude? I cant say im over the moon about the attitude Im getting here either. In all fairness if you dont like what im offering why are you even posting?
Having said that I can accept that a different approach with a lot less risk is going to be necessary if im going to have anyone invest, fair point.
Ill update the original post with Plan B over the weekend and hopefully that will help ease the situation somewhat.
B CEO
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:42:00 -
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I'm posting because the more that people are able to present viable IPO/Bonds and work within the framework that the community has built to provide security for the investor and the IPO/Bond Manager, the stronger our community becomes.
If a potential IPO holder can't take people ripping his plan to shreads in front of him (which is what happens in RL financing btw) then they more than likely won't make it in business. This ripping of plans to shreads also flushes out issues with in the plan that potential investors might not have seen. This helps the new investors be successful. I know I liked reading Shar, Ray and Ricdic reviewing IPOs when I was starting to invest.
We aren't intentionally trying to be mean, but sometimes it comes across that way. It's all just business.
Just reply to our request for answers and our criticisms with solid info and good answers and you'll get the investors.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
good points, well presented. Dont like my attitude? I cant say im over the moon about the attitude Im getting here either. In all fairness if you dont like what im offering why are you even posting?
Having said that I can accept that a different approach with a lot less risk is going to be necessary if im going to have anyone invest, fair point.
Ill update the original post with Plan B over the weekend and hopefully that will help ease the situation somewhat.
B CEO
Some helpful advice.
Look through the MD pages and have a look at the topics. Find and open any of the ATTEMPTED IPO launches in MD.
You will find that >80% get ripped apart here, and are ultimately unsuccessful in the launch.
The main reasons for this are scams, and some heritage IPO's failing. Our trust level has been shot, you need an awesome reputation to get away without audits and the like.
Don't take the questions personally, its just business.
For all potential "NEW" IPO launchers out there, you will either:
1. have to submit to an audtor that "WE" trust
or
2. provide collateral
If you want "our" money, I am afraid these are the hoops you have to jump through.
After stating that you are willing to provide collateral I can't see why you wouldn't at least trust EBANK for a loan.
Makes me wonder if you do even in fact have collateral?
Unfortunately for you, moving forward this will be a tough sell because of the attitude. API audit is a must, and collateral would make the loan easier and cheaper.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.17 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
In all fairness if you dont like what im offering why are you even posting?
Personally, no Api Check, no Isk Check. With the upcoming expansion you might be able to get around the need for Skill api checking, via certs, but you are asking people to put money where your mouth is. That being said, I'm all for the maverick route for investment handlers. It's more rough and tumble thus more satisfying when you succeed but you also have to bring something to the table to make up for being maverick. In my case, I've got reputation. In yours, ??? As for Kazuo, I have used him to audit myself and even now have not changed my api key since I handed it to him. I dislike the fact that he feels the need to editorialize his findings but >meh< that's a question of style. Trust though, no question or qualms. In the end, you will get what you give. A trader with zero trust finds himself with little credit. Paranoia can be healthy but only if you stay paranoid about how you are paranoid. PS: For a guy who has supposedly been reading these forums for a while you sure seem pretty clueless. Don't you know anything?!? People will post MORE when they dislike the contents of a thread.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.18 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
good points, well presented. Dont like my attitude? I cant say im over the moon about the attitude Im getting here either. In all fairness if you dont like what im offering why are you even posting?
And this is why your chances of public funding are small.
Right now I would suggest just asking for private loan via 100% collateral. |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.10.18 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
good points, well presented. Dont like my attitude? I cant say im over the moon about the attitude Im getting here either. In all fairness if you dont like what im offering why are you even posting?
And this is why your chances of public funding are small.
Right now I would suggest just asking for private loan via 100% collateral.
Or just sell some GTC for isk to fund your own projects like me 
Maybe one day I will come to the forums to ask for isk but with billions in BPO cooking I most likely won't.
Originally by: Shadarle
I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu |
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