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Scirocco Stardust	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:17:00 - [1] Hi all. I'm a relatively new player, and i chosed a mining carreer when i created my char. I did the tutorial missions, and just finished the learning skills (6 skills in the learning section, all with lvl 4). My problem is, as i see it, most of this game is about waiting for your skills to train, wich takes a lot of time. I can't seem to able to do a lot of missions, since i don't have the skills to fit proper equip in my boats, and the pirates almost always have me for dinner. Then i think "ok, i'm a miner so, where are the rocks?" I take my hauler and go mine with it, wich is boring and takes forever. I do it with the frig, and again boring to go back and forth between station and asteriod belts. What else could i do? And please don't tell me to go PVP. Not only i suck at it, but beeing a miner i can only imagine the time it would take me to train the skills for it :) I really love this game, because it is in space, it has awsomely beatuful graphics, but boredom is geting the most out of it. So can any of you veteran capsuleers point me in some direction? :) Thanks a lot and fly safe. Scirocco Stardust
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:21:00 - [2] Join a player corporation
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Eran Laude Join a player corporation ^this^ I've never been, but I heard mining is more fun with friends. Also, you can get access to better ores, make more money, etc, etc. __________ Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah, that is the true badge of a forum warrior, to draw the humorous ire of the devs
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:26:00 - [4] I was like you once. I flew a t1 frigate for my first 3 months ingame while I skilled up to boost my attributes. I had the luck of running with a crowd I knew in real life who introduced me to the game. You need to join a player corp or your experience will remain dull. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:28:00 - [5] It's been said, but join the recruitment channel and get into a player corp. Much better game. --
BlackKnightMagik Gallente Novaku Research Labs	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:30:00 - [6] Ok first off, EVE was never meant to be a game that you could max out in a month like those other MMO's that will remain unnamed. *Cough WoW* Second, you should easily be able to do level 2 missions with the right tank as a new player. You should even be into level 4 missions inside a month with a certain ship. *Cough Drake* Third, if you are mining in a hauler, you are doing it wrong. Each race has a frigate and cruiser that specialize (and get bonuses) in some way, shape, or form to mining yeild....take advantage of them. Last, but certainly not least, ANYONE CAN PVP! Anyone that tells you different is full of it (with and sh added). You just have to pick your targets vice going all Leroy. If you want any additional help contact me in game and I will get you sorted m8.
Scirocco Stardust	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:37:00 - [7] Hehe, thanks BlackKnightMagik, and all of you for the quick replys. I was indeed a wow player for 3 years until i found eve, but i'm a patient man :P I will start looking for a Corp then :)
ShadowDraqon Awesome Industries Group	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Eran Laude Join a player corporation ^this^ I've never been, but I heard mining is more fun with friends. Also, you can get access to better ores, make more money, etc, etc. Join me! ______________________ I got killed for my kindness no, rly
Gabrialle Amarr Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:41:00 - [9] this also helps
Odhinn Vinlandii Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Scirocco Stardust Hi all. I'm a relatively new player, and i chosed a mining carreer when i created my char. I did the tutorial missions, and just finished the learning skills (6 skills in the learning section, all with lvl 4). My problem is, as i see it, most of this game is about waiting for your skills to train, wich takes a lot of time. I can't seem to able to do a lot of missions, since i don't have the skills to fit proper equip in my boats, and the pirates almost always have me for dinner. Then i think "ok, i'm a miner so, where are the rocks?" I take my hauler and go mine with it, wich is boring and takes forever. I do it with the frig, and again boring to go back and forth between station and asteriod belts. EVE is an MMO not a solo offline game. Nothing in eve is designed for solo play. Join a corp. Oh, and specialize, do not generalize. If you want to mine, train exhumers 5, get all t2 mining crystals, and max out your shield tank. Then consider trying something else.
Unity Love Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:06:00 - [11] I would have to advise against going into space in a boat...
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:27:00 - [12] You should join a corporations which does mining stuff. There's too many things related to it that someone could explain everything in on thread. In corporation your mates can tell you what to do etc. Also. Do NOT mine with hauler. It's extremely inefficient. Use some ship which can fit a lot of turrets = mining lazers, preferrably some ship which gets bonuses for it. I'd say training for retriever (and strip miners) for start is good plan, then hulk.. then rorqual maybe or something.. Mining is group effort not very efficient alone.
Something Random Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:29:00 - [13] You could always try to work out how to kill those convoys you see around the systems your in (0.8 and below), that injects a little fun into anyones game.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:33:00 - [14] sit in a station and spin around your ship you get 1 bil isk ever 150,000 spins Applebabe ate my signature :( but the fish hat forgives! Nemotology is the EvE religion of choice!
Dr Axler The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:35:00 - [15] as they said, join a corp. also, pick a ship that has mining bonuses for mining. (read the halada guide) when you build up some money, join FW. you will enter plexes and fight inside of them and the good thing is only ships of certain sizes may enter (so you can fight people in frigates with a frigate) _________________________________________________ "nerf rock, paper is working as intended." - Scissors
Kazang Gallente Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Tortun Nahme sit in a station and spin around your ship you get 1 bil isk ever 150,000 spins We will leave what you get for 1 million as a surprise Kazang
Durethia Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:52:00 - [17] Edited by: Durethia on 18/10/2008 19:55:25 Playing EVE solo can be very difficult and frustrating, especially if you have ANY ambition at all. Some people do wander about solo, but they often live very limited lives within EVE. Most of those who seem "solo", are probably "alts" of some other main character. In the end, even the very few who do manage to play this game for a considerable amount of time without ever joining a player corporation, eventually do end up joining a player corporation. Keep this in mind, please. There are some excellent posts on this forum serving as guides for the newbie looking to join a competent corporation. I'm sorry, I can not produce any links at the moment though, don't have time. However, here's some basic guide lines. 1) Try not to join a corp that is too small. "Small" can be subjective, a 20 man 0.0 corp is "small", but if it's an Empire corp... there's hope. But, any corp less than 20 members is universally considered "small". Some corps are well over 300 members. 2) Forget and ignore "Alliance" issues for now. You're too new to even care or have much opinion on various matters regarding Alliances. Shoot for a good corp, if you end up in an Alliance, more power to you. There is a small matter of ending up locked in a political "camp" by joining an Alliance, but, again, you're too new to be aware of the EVE culture, so don't worry about this coin toss. 3) Don't waste your time with "specialty" corps. Like a PvP only corp, or an Industrial only corp. Most competent specialty corps will have steep recruitment requirements and have high expectations which you probably don't meet. Find a corp with a nice balance of industrial, trade, defense; this way you can have access to various areas of game play not to mention friends big enough to provide some protection. A good question to ask is if any of the corp members are able to fly big ships like capital, or T2 ships. This is to avoid joining a pure newb corp and find yourself blind, and leading other blind people; doesn't work very well. 4) Be modest, mature, respectful and use your social skills. This game may be in the genre of anti-social nerds with no life (MMORPG), but many of us do have lives, many of us do have girlfriends/wives/children and career jobs and social skills can make you or break you in this game. Average EVE-ONLINE player is about 25 years old. Average age in my corp I think is more around 32 give or take. 5) Be wary of abuse. This is EVE, abuse is legal. There are corps that will aim to recruit you and take whatever you gain from you. This might not be fair, but it's perfectly legal to do in EVE. 6) Do pay attention to general politik structure of the corp. Some corps have 100% taxation, and declare themselves to be governed under the communist philosophy. Some corps have very little taxation (typically American based corps). Some corps have a dictatorship style of operation, some corps have a style of authority inline to democratic philosophy (a formal vote structure for all members etc.). Almost any corp that you will join, will have a degree of socialism to assist in asset loss in unsanctioned combat. The most common corp in EVE will have one CEO, and "Directors" who have various levels of influence within various areas of running the corp. MAKE SURE, the corp you join, has some sort of REIMBURSEMENT plan in place. You WILL lose a ship, it WILL hurt you financially; your corp SHOULD help you, the newbie, in such matters. That's all that I can think of right now. Most of all, be sure to be having fun in your new corp.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:00:00 - [18] While training the learning skills is important you can intermix them with more immediate use skills. For example training Drones and and Scout drones operation to rank 1 will require you less than half an hour and allow you to use 1 combat drone. That will almost double the fighting power of your rookie ship. Adding drones 2, about another hour, will allow you to use 2 drones getting you further combat power. there are a lot of skill where adding only 1 level will require minutes and make a large difference in your capability as they will allow new modules. The best way to learn EVE is to mix learning skills (with the long range benefits they give) to low levels of immediate use skills so that you can see yourself improving. Look the New citizen forum, there are plenty of good suggestions there.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Zeba on 18/10/2008 20:05:40 Originally by: Durethia Playing EVE solo can be very difficult and frustrating, especially if you have ANY ambition at all. Some people do wander about solo, but they often live very limited lives within EVE. Most of those who seem "solo", are probably "alts" of some other main character. Rofl no. I'm a solo player with 5 accounts and have no problems playing Eve to my hearts content. I'm in the middle of every area of Eve be it high sec mining, missioning, invention, trading etc etc to lowsec/0.0 exploration and pew pew. Btw I'll have my very own cap fleet a few months after the new year so nyah nyah to those who think a solo player can't compete in Eve. Saying that you really can't go wrong with a player corp as long as you have a modicrum of intelligence and don't get recruited as a mule or cannon fodder though in my journeys I've found that a lot of people really don't aspire to be anything moar than that. In conclusion Eve is what you make it. You can be a victim or you can be a player. Your choice. edit: the rest of Durethia's post is spot on. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:47:00 - [20] you can blow peps up...
John Holt Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:25:00 - [21] I will echo what others said--join a player corporation if you really want to enjoy the game. Here are some Eve professions for you to consider. Mission running, mining, militia service, industrialist, tackler, scout, tank, electronic warfare specialist, logistics specialist, explorer, pirate, scientist, leader, salvager, trader, and hauler John Holt My Personal Eve Site
John Holt Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:33:00 - [22] But how does one go about finding such a corporation? There are two in game and one out of game tools that can help you find a corporation. First, there is a special chat channel set aside for this purpose. If you click on the Channels and Mailing List option in your Neocom, and then click on the corporation tag you will see a channel there for recruitment with a join button. Many corporations advertise in this channel. Just look for a corporation that is involved in the aspect of the game you are interested in (whether it be mission running, mining, industrialism, etc.) and talk to the representative there about joining the corporation. Second, there is option under the Corporation button on the Necom for recruitment; corporations pay to advertise in this section when they are recruiting. There are filters you can adjust which allow you to choose the size of the corporation, whether or not the corporation is in an alliance, and what region they operate in. You can also limit your search results by how many skill points these corporations have set as their minimum to join. Not all corporations do this, but some do. There is also a filtering option on this tab which allows you to choose a corporation by faction and the operations they are engaged in. So you can choose a Caldari corporation, for example, that is engaged in mission running, pvp, and role playing. You can also choose where the corporation operates (in high sec, low sec, or outlaw space), and you can choose the time zone that the corporation operates in. The out of game way to search for a corporation is to go to the Eve Forums and choose the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section. In this section corporations post recruitment material and players looking for corporations can also post. When players do so they often will get responses from corporations that feel the player will be an asset to them. John Holt My Personal Eve Site
Hooded Person Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Kazang Originally by: Tortun Nahme sit in a station and spin around your ship you get 1 bil isk ever 150,000 spins We will leave what you get for 1 million as a surprise A broken mouse?
Daniel Jackson Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:02:00 - [24] I make pirates rich and Ease the trigger happy folk of their tension ___________________
Pinel Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:27:00 - [25] "I did the tutorial missions, and just finished the learning skills (6 skills in the learning section, all with lvl 4)." you're not finished with the learning section :) once you train the basic learning skills to 4, now you can train the advanced learning skills :)
The Tzar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Kazang Originally by: Tortun Nahme sit in a station and spin around your ship you get 1 bil isk ever 150,000 spins We will leave what you get for 1 million as a surprise RSI? __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Unity Love I would have to advise against going into space in a boat... Ever heard of ships, spaceships? You can call them boats I guess, I mean we have frigates, cruisers, destroyers etc.. which are all types of sea vessels. Also some terms like 'blasterboat' is used quite frequently.. Dey see me trollin, dey hatin, moddin they tryin to catch me postin dirty..
John Holt Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Neth'Rae Originally by: Unity Love I would have to advise against going into space in a boat... Ever heard of ships, spaceships? You can call them boats I guess, I mean we have frigates, cruisers, destroyers etc.. which are all types of sea vessels. Also some terms like 'blasterboat' is used quite frequently.. With the exception of submarines and fishing boats, boats are vessels which are small enough to be carried by ships. If this translates to space then drones and fighters are boats, and maybe even frigates and cruisers since they can be carried by carriers. John Holt My Personal Eve Site
Arkeladin	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:23:00 - [29] Originally by: John Holt Originally by: Neth'Rae Originally by: Unity Love I would have to advise against going into space in a boat... Ever heard of ships, spaceships? You can call them boats I guess, I mean we have frigates, cruisers, destroyers etc.. which are all types of sea vessels. Also some terms like 'blasterboat' is used quite frequently.. With the exception of submarines and fishing boats, boats are vessels which are small enough to be carried by ships. If this translates to space then drones and fighters are boats, and maybe even frigates and cruisers since they can be carried by carriers. Better study your naval history, particularly what the men who sailed them called their ships. They've been referreed to as "boat" for a VERY long time - yes, even subs. it's only on naval records thet they're generally referred to by their classes, and by historians as the generic name "ship". Sometimes even in naval lingo as well - or have you never heard of the Patrol, Torpedo ships of WWII, commonly called "PT boats"? They saw service in the Pacific Theatre of Operation, fielded by the United States as patrol and ASW craft. 22 ft long speedBOATS that carried a lifeboat, along with a couple of inflatable rafts...(not to mention 4 torpedoes, 2 .50 cal gun in barbettes, and a 20MM AA cannon) which choots down your theory right there, now that I think of it. A boat carrying a boat. Imagine that!
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:25:00 - [30] Mining leads to production. Production leads to research. Mining, production and research lead to the carebear side of EVE It's a sandbox game really. There is nothing 'that has to be done', no goal. You decide what you do and what your goals are. Be it the best PvP'er in the EVE universe, the richest trader or a producer of high-end Tech2 modules and ships. It's your choice. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"

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