Originally by: Lanea Hammersing

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One technique is to fit an oversize extender, so how would battleships do passive shielding when they don't have that option?

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Originally by: Lanea Hammersing

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My impression of the basic concept: reduce recharge time and increase shield size to have a good buffer and make it regen as fast as possible on its own. I.E. no shield boosters; I'm fine with active resist modules.

I've played with some fittings in EFT (Tempest specifically) and I can't seem to get the recharge rate to approach anything that seems useful for a situation where tanking becomes very important. I'm thinking in terms of starting L4s when the skills fall into place, and later pvp in some ships. I've fiddled with:

* 2 skills directly affect shield size and recharge
* Shield extenders, power relays
*gasp* Rigs, for high-sec missioning if I get confident enough in not blowing up within 2 minutes
* Minmatar shields compared to other races? (though I've heard as much in Minnie Military chat about high-level passive shielding as with any other race)

- Specifically what am I missing here?
- How many functional options are you left with for mid-slots after getting shield resist to a reasonable level? (I'm assuming it has to be at least 80% range of relevant damage types for missioning, or 50-60% across the board for pvp)

Sidenote: One technique is to fit an oversize extender, so how would battleships do passive shielding when they don't have that option?

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Originally by: Johann Callasan

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Originally by: Lanea Hammersing

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My impression of the basic concept: reduce recharge time and increase shield size to have a good buffer and make it regen as fast as possible on its own. I.E. no shield boosters; I'm fine with active resist modules.

I've played with some fittings in EFT (Tempest specifically) and I can't seem to get the recharge rate to approach anything that seems useful for a situation where tanking becomes very important. I'm thinking in terms of starting L4s when the skills fall into place, and later pvp in some ships. I've fiddled with:

* 2 skills directly affect shield size and recharge
* Shield extenders, power relays
*gasp* Rigs, for high-sec missioning if I get confident enough in not blowing up within 2 minutes
* Minmatar shields compared to other races? (though I've heard as much in Minnie Military chat about high-level passive shielding as with any other race)

- Specifically what am I missing here?
- How many functional options are you left with for mid-slots after getting shield resist to a reasonable level? (I'm assuming it has to be at least 80% range of relevant damage types for missioning, or 50-60% across the board for pvp)

Sidenote: One technique is to fit an oversize extender, so how would battleships do passive shielding when they don't have that option?

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You've got the pasics right - that is, to take advantage of a peculiarity in EvE, that no matter how many siields you have, the recharge time stays the same whether or not you have 900 shields or 9,000.

That being said, there are a couple of things you're missing:

The REAL point of "passive" shield-tanking is a balance - to use both recharge rate AND resistances to your best advantage to offset incoming damage. Since total shield recharge TIME stays the same (unless you fit things like SPRs that reduce that time) AND that your shields don't recharge at the same RATE all the time (there's a peak in recharge rate around 30% total shields).

You're balancing incoming DPS against your resistnces AND your shield recharge amount - battleships as a general rule have too slow a recharge time to be effeective at passive tanking; it just takes to long to regen what it can. Ideally, for a passive tanker you want ships that have passive bonuses to shield resistance, or a ship with loads of low slots and capless weapons to load up on shield power relays (DO NOT USE FLUX COILS wihout at least 3x oversized shield extenders!) You can get away with it in soemthing like a Raven, but you'll be severely gimping your DPS as you won't have room for any damage enhancers among all the relays - and your cap recharge for things liek active hardeners will be a sad joke.

For example; a semi-passive setup for a Drake would be: (Drake gets 5% resistancve bonus per leve):
MIDS:
3x Hardener
3x Large Shield Extender
LOWS:
2xShioeld Power Relay
2x BCU

then Core Field purgers in the rig slots.

Good luck to you - the example showm may help you - just know that most BSs are active-taniked for a reason.

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Originally by: Lanea Hammersong

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It only seems to be viable on a few missioning set-ups but not really for level 4s

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Originally by: Space Wanderer

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an ishtar might be better than on a drake, and field the same amount of drones of a domi.

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