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Tyler Rainez Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Tyler Rainez on 23/10/2008 06:05:21 This is mostly to get a dialogue going on this article, and just for arguements sake, could it happen in EVE? Story Could you imagine that you break down a pos and steal a mothership, or better yet, a titan and then end up in court? EVE promotes you (at least till that gets nerf'd), for being a sneaky, lying, underhanded pilot. If someone were to get sued, what would CCP's involvement be (if any)? And the funny thing is, that it didn't happen in the US where you can get sued for just looking at someone the wrong way, which makes me believe it's only a matter of time, before virtual theft/losses caused by other players are brought to the courts attention and decided what we as players can and can not do in a virtual world with virtual goods. What is the hell is this world coming to? I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana
Abduul Azeez	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Abduul Azeez on 23/10/2008 06:05:56 link is broken Edit: Op fixed. thanks
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:06:00 - [3] is this the 7th or 8th thread about this? someoen help, ive lost count
Tyler Rainez Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:06:00 - [4] fixed the link..sorry I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana
Prof Patpending Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:18:00 - [5] Not new considering that was it LV reported Stoffer Ninjapirate of Goonswarm to the Finish Authorities over him spying on them in game.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:25:00 - [6] Well if someone coerced someone else to give them their stuff here I'm sure it could happen in EVE. Seriously, do people not understand what "coerce" means or do you just read the headline and move on?
Tyler Rainez Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Khemul Zula Well if someone coerced someone else to give them their stuff here I'm sure it could happen in EVE. Seriously, do people not understand what "coerce" means or do you just read the headline and move on? Yes, I know what it means, and it's not done in EVE? I assume you've never been scammed, attacked, or threatened in EVE. All those things can be considered coerced into doing something you don't want to do. I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:33:00 - [8] Scamming is tricking someone. Attacking is part of the game. Coersion though is finding the person in real life and forcing them to give you their stuff. If I go over to your house and threaten you with physical violence if you don't transfer all your stuff to my character you'll probably want the police and the court system to get involved.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:35:00 - [9] The thing that is of interest in that little article is that the Dutch Court ruled that the players owned these virtual items, and not the MMO producer.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:40:00 - [10] The virtual property thing was most likely just to get the trial going. It's sorta hard to argue someone threatened you and forced you to give up something you don't own and doesn't really exist.
Tyler Rainez Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Khemul Zula Scamming is tricking someone. Attacking is part of the game. Coersion though is finding the person in real life and forcing them to give you their stuff. If I go over to your house and threaten you with physical violence if you don't transfer all your stuff to my character you'll probably want the police and the court system to get involved. co-hece To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel. By definition, it does not state that you have to be physically there to coerce someone. And I don't see anywhere in the article where the individual was coerced in person. I am assuming it was done in game though I'll freely admit I could be wrong, but I'm talking about actions done only in game via communications in game only. I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:49:00 - [12] How the **** do you coerce someone over the internet? "Give me your stuff or I'll...ermm...well...we'll say mean things! Yeah that's it!" Anyways... Better article. Basically the AP sucks when it comes to reporting on legal cases.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Tyler Rainez Edited by: Tyler Rainez on 23/10/2008 06:05:21 This is mostly to get a dialogue going on this article, and just for arguements sake, could it happen in EVE? Story Could you imagine that you break down a pos and steal a mothership, or better yet, a titan and then end up in court? EVE promotes you (at least till that gets nerf'd), for being a sneaky, lying, underhanded pilot. If someone were to get sued, what would CCP's involvement be (if any)? And the funny thing is, that it didn't happen in the US where you can get sued for just looking at someone the wrong way, which makes me believe it's only a matter of time, before virtual theft/losses caused by other players are brought to the courts attention and decided what we as players can and can not do in a virtual world with virtual goods. What is the hell is this world coming to? Think about the difference between these two scenarios: (1) You tackle me in a game of football: I try to prosecute you for robbery (2) You beat the **** out of me before the game, and tell me that if I don't let you tackle me I'll get the same again after the match: I try to prosecute you.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.23 07:17:00 - [14] How about prosecuting those US sites for forgetting 80% of the story. Ah well, i guess we will get 10 more topics about it in the coming days...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.23 07:27:00 - [15] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 23/10/2008 07:26:39 The thing is, the court should've realized the EULA which states that "all assets, characters, little sisters barbie dolls and beers belong to x company". My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.23 07:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 23/10/2008 07:43:35 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 23/10/2008 07:26:39 The thing is, the court should've realized the EULA which states that "all assets, characters, little sisters barbie dolls and beers belong to x company". From what I've gathered from other reports on the case, that was the main arguement of the entire trial for the two lawyers. Not sure why they didn't go for assault. My guess would lack of proof but I don't know Dutch law. But it does seem to have come down to needing some way to push forward the trial and this being the only issue capable of doing it. It seems the court went with a theory that the item has value to the person holding it (even if the EULA claims they don't own it) so the item could be considered belonging to the individual and could be stolen. There are ways this could work in the US legal system too but I'm not sure how well they'd hold up (basically you own the items through possession but the company can revoke that ownership so for purposes of the EULA you do not have any ownership right).
Prof Patpending Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.10.23 07:56:00 - [17] Free Stoffer Ninjapirate
Vak'ran	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Vak''ran on 23/10/2008 08:42:17 For the gazillionth time.... The kid was beat up and threatened at knifepoint in his home. Should of been a criminal case but theft was the best thing they could get going. Also, theft was invoked here, not so much ownership. I can borrow or rent a car, not own it, and be carjacked. The thief would be violently stealing it from me, not the lease company. Also, the definition given here for virtual 'ownership' if given at all is based on the value the items had to the holder. Defence did argue the EULA and the stuff being the game producer's property, but failed on the value bit of not on the physical violence thing. edit: Also, failing international press is fail of epic variety ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.

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