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Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 10:24:00 - [241] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 29/10/2008 10:22:47 Originally by: Gabriel Karade no, it can't. O really? Funny how people don't seem to actually try/test megas and dual web hypes instead of megas without webs and single web hypes. Blasterships will be fine. I already have tested it multiple times, no they are not fine, do you even fly a Megathron, can you even fly a Megathron? Probably not... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.29 10:26:00 - [242] Edited by: Delichon on 29/10/2008 10:26:12 Usually i would argue that removal of solo is a necessary thing since every ship that excels in being solo becomes terribly effective in gangs (yes, I know the common reasoning about "hey, but mixed fleets own homogenious fleets!", that's true in theory, in reality the advatage of much easier coordination of a homogenious fleet provides a huge advantage) BUT I see no reason to nerf solo ATM as Falcons make it a suicide task anyway. A solo pilot is always dead to a competent gang, unless he logs - otherwize there would always be a falcon to jam him and a tackler on the other side of the gate to stop him from the "reapproach-jump-run" routine. Well, 4 bil Teamwork Crow has a chance to run away from almost anyone, but this is probably it. Guess BSes are the new Caps. They are a corporate asset, not a personal asset. You can't solo in a carrier - but nobody whines about that, because you shouldn't. I'am fine with it as long as they take care to rebalance the whole battle system around it. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Hul'ka Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.10.29 10:29:00 - [243] Originally by: Sileam So it's not a role of blaster-BS to fly solo. What’s the fuss? It wasn't a role of most Caldari ships to fly solo for a LONG time. It's not a role of Logistic ships to fly solo. It's not a role of Falcon to fly solo. Etc etc etc. Some ships are good for solo, other are better for fleet ops. Since none of them is good for everything then it's cool. and what kind of BS is for solo play? Rail boats? AC Boats? Arty Boats? Torp boats? Blaster Mega != Rail Mega, so you can't say Mega is good for everything! Let's get one thing clear: If there was an intelligent designer behind all this changes there wouldn't be so many people complaining, but there isn’t! One of the obviously lead designers, Nozh has in this very thread shown how he imagines post nerf BS fits to compensate for his and his little helpers poor design. Every time I think of his words I laugh really, really hard! And that’s not a good thing in this case! --------- phew phew
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.29 10:52:00 - [244] Several threads in Game Development and Ships & Modules how this will hurt blasterships after the patch and CCP Devs is happily ignoring it believing EVE will get better I've read all threads there is about the subject now and I've not seen one that convincingly state how this will not shaft blasterpilots and solo-gameplay. People that think it will still be fine after is either a) trolling, b) ignorant or c) downright stupid. And some of these are unfortunately devs meddling with the game. Since player feedback is ignored by CCP Nozh since its obvious it is his beloved pet-project, I will vote with my wallet and not re-sub after the patch. There is other games out there that are more promising. And no you can't have my stuff.
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:08:00 - [245] Originally by: Cornette And no you can't have my stuff. GL and thanks for less lag for all of us. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:14:00 - [246] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: SirDanceAlot Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 29/10/2008 10:22:47 Originally by: Gabriel Karade no, it can't. O really? Funny how people don't seem to actually try/test megas and dual web hypes instead of megas without webs and single web hypes. Blasterships will be fine. I already have tested it multiple times, no they are not fine, do you even fly a Megathron, can you even fly a Megathron? Probably not... Yeah I do, just because you now don't hit every single round a wrecking shot does not mean it's not fine.
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:16:00 - [247] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: Cornette And no you can't have my stuff. GL and thanks for less lag for all of us. Nohz alt alert
Rutger Centemus Gallente Joint Empire Squad	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:30:00 - [248] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Yeah I do, just because you now don't hit any round means it's perfectly fine for me. I think that's what you meant to say (aka: FYP). *** My opinions are my own, and don't necessarily represent those of my corpmembers.
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:43:00 - [249] Originally by: Hul'ka Every time I think of his words I laugh really, really hard! And thatÆs not a good thing in this case! lucky bastard for being able to laugh, when i think about what he said it makes me just wanna curl up and cry like crazy Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:43:00 - [250] Originally by: Rutger Centemus I'm a whiny noob ...is what you meant to say?
Rutger Centemus Gallente Joint Empire Squad	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:44:00 - [251] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Rutger Centemus You're a whiny noob ...is what you meant to say? Yes *** My opinions are my own, and don't necessarily represent those of my corpmembers.
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:46:00 - [252] Originally by: SirDanceAlot O really? Funny how people don't seem to actually try/test megas and dual web hypes instead of megas without webs and single web hypes. Blasterships will be fine. well i have tested my ishtar vs a friends mega, and trust me, BLASTERSHIPS ARE NOT FINE. the only thing he could do that hurt me was his drones, witch btw were quickly killed by me there is nothing find about blasterships on sisi atm, its effectivly killed them as soloships. Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.29 12:02:00 - [253] - Community:Nanos are bad because everyone flies the same thing. Ok they are good in that they help solo and anti blob but they are bad because of above. - CCP: Ok we get it you want as to nerf ridiculous speed and leave soloing and antiblob ability well alone. Here is what we will do: We will nerf the speeds but keep nanotanking as effective as it was by nerfing missles and webs (i.e. turrets). In the process we will completely destroy solo and crown blobage as the only pr0 way to kill stuff. \o/ - Community: Well done lads! Btw do you have a linky for Jumpgate Evolution open Beta? Havent joined a decent spacegame beta since early 2003!!! Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 12:30:00 - [254] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: SirDanceAlot Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 29/10/2008 10:22:47 Originally by: Gabriel Karade no, it can't. O really? Funny how people don't seem to actually try/test megas and dual web hypes instead of megas without webs and single web hypes. Blasterships will be fine. I already have tested it multiple times, no they are not fine, do you even fly a Megathron, can you even fly a Megathron? Probably not... Yeah I do, just because you now don't hit every single round a wrecking shot does not mean it's not fine. Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 13:43:00 - [255] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:08:00 - [256] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. says nub corp user http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/lie.jpg guide ninja edited already
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:10:00 - [257] Oh dear God. I never thought I'd see the day when a CCP dev ignores all feedback so that he can save some face, and keep his pet project going. Do you realize that you just said that you need to fit smaller guns if you want to be able to take on BC/Cruisers? You are insanely stupid, but because you might still be reading this, I'll actually tell you why. BS size ships need to fit BS sized weapons, so they can do BS class dps, which justifies undocking the BS. If you need to undock with small unbonused guns to be able to stand a chance at solo, you might as well use the Astarte. Therefore, yes, you have effectively killed the solo Battleship. The web nerf is just simply over the top. Nobody on the face of the planet thought that webs were overpowered, why do you think that you need to horribly nerf them to balance the game? I have a news flash. You CCP, need you play your game. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
ArymAramanska Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:23:00 - [258] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. says nub corp user I would like to point out thast alts are used quite regularly. How do we know that your not someone who just bought a older character and not just a noob?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:30:00 - [259] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Oh dear God. I never thought I'd see the day when a CCP dev ignores all feedback so that he can save some face, and keep his pet project going. Do you realize that you just said that you need to fit smaller guns if you want to be able to take on BC/Cruisers? You are insanely stupid, but because you might still be reading this, I'll actually tell you why. Actually ppl have been saying how this is gonna kill small ships in eve and rightly so, cos now the devs are saying screw using cruisers and BC just fit your BS with MED sized weapon systems a few tracking comps and dmg mods and you have a uber tanked support killer that has vast amounts of PG free to fit a couple of RR modules along with plates and its own repper. Why bother using another sized hull than a BS after this tarded nerf goes through when a few BS in your gang can now be fitted anti support and the rest standardly fit?..............
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:40:00 - [260] Well if at LEAST weapons bonuses would work for weapons of smaller size then the undersized guns option would be just a poor option (not a dumb one). So if they really are thinking about undersized guns do at LEAST that. Other thing possible is simply increase large blasters and AC tracking by about 20% and 15% respectively). Will not revert the issue? Sure will not but think the idea is not revert but reduce the disproportionate effect. Other option... make target painters bonus to something like 60% (t2 out of minmatar recons). Then using a TP (At least on ships that have slots left like hyperion) could balance it nicely. And woudl make minamtar e-war less LOLish. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:43:00 - [261] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Oh dear God. I never thought I'd see the day when a CCP dev ignores all feedback so that he can save some face, and keep his pet project going. Do you realize that you just said that you need to fit smaller guns if you want to be able to take on BC/Cruisers? You are insanely stupid, but because you might still be reading this, I'll actually tell you why. Actually ppl have been saying how this is gonna kill small ships in eve and rightly so, cos now the devs are saying screw using cruisers and BC just fit your BS with MED sized weapon systems a few tracking comps and dmg mods and you have a uber tanked support killer that has vast amounts of PG free to fit a couple of RR modules along with plates and its own repper. Why bother using another sized hull than a BS after this tarded nerf goes through when a few BS in your gang can now be fitted anti support and the rest standardly fit?.............. because a hurricane can completely OMFG POWN a tempest when both a using med guns? A whooping 64% damage difference sided with a huge signature radius difference. And much CHEAPER ship.
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:43:00 - [262] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. says nub corp user Good counter when you know you have no arguments left. You know I'm telling the truth that's why you're so angry now.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:47:00 - [263] Altough i have some sympathy for the BS pilots complaining I must say something. When i went to tet on sisi, I notice that MAJORITY (not all but MAJORITY) of blaster piltos acted without using their brains. I attacked a few megas using a CYLONE. All the times they Ran Directly INTO me. Not a single time they tried to make the course parallel to make the approach slower and vaporize me while I was approaching. After I got to 2 km the blaster ships had no chance against my Cyclone. But if they had used their brains a tiny bit they would have won on at least a few times. Also yet to see a smart megathron pilot that fit a single web drone on sisi. That alone could change a lot of fights. Big ships need some help. But jsut part of the help must come from CCp, other part must come from the users. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:19:00 - [264] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. I already have tested it you idiot, try reading before opening your trap next time. No, once a cruiser gets into the 1-2km range (easy with 60% webs) it can orbit a Max skilled Megathron all day long on base speeds. Now do US a favour by testing it yourself or STFU. -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:21:00 - [265] I was thinking.. something ccp could do is simply add 2 fake km to the range of every target when of tracking calculations. That way ultra close orbiting would not nullify battleships and there would not need to change tracking (That could affect more distant ranges) ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:21:00 - [266] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Altough i have some sympathy for the BS pilots complaining I must say something. When i went to tet on sisi, I notice that MAJORITY (not all but MAJORITY) of blaster piltos acted without using their brains. I attacked a few megas using a CYLONE. All the times they Ran Directly INTO me. Not a single time they tried to make the course parallel to make the approach slower and vaporize me while I was approaching. After I got to 2 km the blaster ships had no chance against my Cyclone. But if they had used their brains a tiny bit they would have won on at least a few times. Also yet to see a smart megathron pilot that fit a single web drone on sisi. That alone could change a lot of fights. Big ships need some help. But jsut part of the help must come from CCp, other part must come from the users. If web drones had better bonus, or were not stacking nerfed they may be helpful, but at the moment they don't come close to offsetting the 400% change in target transversals... Un-nerf these and add larger drone bays? Personally though, I still think the key requirement is fixing the tracking formula to correctly account for size vs distance... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:23:00 - [267] Originally by: Kagura Nikon I was thinking.. something ccp could do is simply add 2 fake km to the range of every target when of tracking calculations. That way ultra close orbiting would not nullify battleships and there would not need to change tracking (That could affect more distant ranges) I don't quite follow you? You mean even at 0m the tracking formula 'thinks' it is still 2km away? I'm not quite sure how you would incorporate that, though yes, it could work... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:27:00 - [268] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. I already have tested it you idiot, try reading before opening your trap next time. No, once a cruiser gets into the 1-2km range (easy with 60% webs) it can orbit a Max skilled Megathron all day long on base speeds. Now do US a favour by testing it yourself or STFU. Are you ****ing stupid or something? How the hell does a non fitted stabber keep 1-2km range to a blastership with mwd? You're whole argumentation is beyond flawed and fail. Stfu and adapt instead of making redicilous posts.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:29:00 - [269] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 29/10/2008 16:31:24 Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Gabriel Karade Wrecking shots are actually the only hits you'll be making - see Blaster thread for test results vs zero-fit stabber. Are you saying that a mega that's webbing a non fit stabber cannot kill it? Or that a hyperion dual webbing it can't kill it? You must be out of your mind. Do us all a favor and ACTUALLY GO TO THE TEST SERVER AND TRY IT OUT. I already have tested it you idiot, try reading before opening your trap next time. No, once a cruiser gets into the 1-2km range (easy with 60% webs) it can orbit a Max skilled Megathron all day long on base speeds. Now do US a favour by testing it yourself or STFU. Are you **ing stupid or something? How the hell does a non fitted stabber keep 1-2km range to a blastership with mwd? You're whole argumentation is beyond flawed and fail. Stfu and adapt instead of making redicilous posts. None-fit as in no tank, no speed modules (i.e. afterburner) to 'speed tank'. For the first test I simply assumed the Megathron's MWD was shut down, for the second test I actually did fit the Stabber with a scrambler to shut down the MWD. No you simply cannot land a hit, and with MWD shut down you cannot reduce the transversal generated by base cruiser speeds** to improve that. Are you Lyria' alt or something? P.s Read the test results FFS. -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:32:00 - [270] Edited by: SirDanceAlot on 29/10/2008 16:33:17 Originally by: Gabriel Karade None-fit as in no tank, no speed modules. For the first test I simply assumed the Megathron's MWD was shut down, for the second test I actually did fit the Stabber with a scrambler to shut down the MWD. No you simply cannot land a hit, and with MWD shut down you cannot reduce the transversal generated by base cruiser speeds to improve that. Are you Lyria' alt or something? P.s Read the test results you tard. All blasterships have huge drone bays. Are you even friggin remotely familiar with what 5 ogre IIs do to a t1 cruiser? You're just like politicians today, you never look at the complete package but pick one little detail to argue about. Just like them you fail. But somewhere inside me I hope you really mean it, that you feel helpless in your blastership because I will have pleasure owning you in my well fitted blaster ships.

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