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Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:24:00 -
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i just had a pos stolen thought id tip other young players to watch for this one:
A) I get war dec'ed by a corp ive never had any contact with B) figure my science pos in empire is the target C) scramble to empty structures of contents unanchor them and store them at station -so far so good- D) empty pos fuel and set to unanchor tower -heres where it goes awry- E) 30 seconds before tower unanchors member of the wardeccing corp enters system F) 20 seconds before it unanchors uninvolved local lurker uncloaks 15k from me and the tower and gets a good running bump on me just as war dec guy pulls up in a hauler G) tower unanchors, hauler grabs it before i can get to it and _POOF_ easy money
So, im not mad or nothing i figured the tower was lost the minute i anchored it, BUT after some reflection on it, when i had the choice to build up a formidable defensive tower or a dickstar at least, or take it down and try to escape with it, i wussed out and tried to run with it, which played right into the hands of the enemy. So there you have it, take what you will from my experience, but my advice to you other small/solo indy corps guys is build it up, hold your ground, if you lose it you lose it, but at least you didnt basically give it away. go down fighting.
Much love to you all fly safe :)
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:28:00 -
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Someone in your corp gave someone rights they shouldn't have. Suck it up. |
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
4
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:30:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Someone in your corp gave someone rights they shouldn't have. Suck it up.
I would agree but im the only one in corp... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
723
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:50:00 -
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That's not much money, but I would shake those guys' hands for pulling off this heist. That is just awesome.
Ed: but yeah, attn newbies: unanchored stuff leads to "yoink!" Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1135
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:51:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Someone in your corp gave someone rights they shouldn't have. Suck it up.
Somehow, I don't think you actually read the OP at all. Which makes you an idiot for posting when you had no clue what was going on.
To the OP, yeah, that is an interesting tactic. It's a bit of a gamble on their part, that you would take it down rather than sticking it out, but I guess it was less of a gamble than it could have been since you're a tiny corp. A bit of a warning to any other small corps who get wardecced by them though. What corp was it that did this to you? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
430
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:54:00 -
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If you put up a POS in highsec you deserve to suffer. |
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
5
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:58:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Someone in your corp gave someone rights they shouldn't have. Suck it up. Somehow, I don't think you actually read the OP at all. Which makes you an idiot for posting when you had no clue what was going on. To the OP, yeah, that is an interesting tactic. It's a bit of a gamble on their part, that you would take it down rather than sticking it out, but I guess it was less of a gamble than it could have been since you're a tiny corp. A bit of a warning to any other small corps who get wardecced by them though. What corp was it that did this to you?
I agree it was great tactic i even conragtulated them pulling it off (since it needed pretty good timing a co-operation) the ticker was (ybb) {ink} i believe. pulled by general german and local lurker was named kruemel from some a different corp. it was pretty impressive to see go off perfect. :)
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Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
5
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:04:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you put up a POS in highsec you deserve to suffer.
silly me coming to the tactics forum to discuss tactics...i should just troll and be as cool as you.. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
192
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:06:00 -
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Nice grab, yea.
I agree with the OP's idea that if you think a POS is going to be a target, instead of dismantling completely, take everything you actually care out of it and make it into as much of a nuisance to reinforce as you can. If you were doing the POS right, you were making money with it, so you can easily afford that, too.
(Ignore or report the flametrolls. Answering them just feeds them.) |
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
5
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:10:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Nice grab, yea.
I agree with the OP's idea that if you think a POS is going to be a target, instead of dismantling completely, take everything you actually care out of it and make it into as much of a nuisance to reinforce as you can. If you were doing the POS right, you were making money with it, so you can easily afford that, too.
(Ignore or report the flametrolls. Answering them just feeds them.)
this is exactly one of the plans that crossed my mind pull everything add as much ewar as it could run and hope for the best.. in the future i think i may try this instead or go all out minnie theory (MOAR GUNS) i dont know.. but il never take another down like that -lesson learned- :) |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
723
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:12:00 -
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Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Nice grab, yea.
I agree with the OP's idea that if you think a POS is going to be a target, instead of dismantling completely, take everything you actually care out of it and make it into as much of a nuisance to reinforce as you can. If you were doing the POS right, you were making money with it, so you can easily afford that, too.
(Ignore or report the flametrolls. Answering them just feeds them.) this is exactly one of the plans that crossed my mind pull everything add as much ewar as it could run and hope for the best.. in the future i think i may try this instead or go all out minnie theory (MOAR GUNS) i dont know.. but il never take another down like that -lesson learned- :) With precautions (adding the aggressors to watch list, doing this at an unusual time, etc) it may have worked. Still, better to go down in a blaze of glory Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
5
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:20:00 -
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honestly this was my first wardec i wish i had consulted with some of my friends that had been playing longer aswell which i will suggest as something you could do if you find yourself in the same spot... some of them are extremely knowledgeable and couldve probably talked me out of trying to run for it.. so yea if youve got older friends in game consult them before making hurried decisions and you'll avoid being in my spot. |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Eternal Evocations
45
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:44:00 -
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not the first time this has happened... Check C&P and you'll find atleast 20-30 of these threads. Most folks don't even think to watch out for those wonderful little war deccers. Naga stole my bike!
Talos, the official Pizza Wedge of the Gallente Federation. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
197
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:43:00 -
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Honestly, you did better way better than most people in the same situation. You did not completely do it right, but immediately when you realized you had done it wrong, you figured out what the right thing is, and posted about it so others can check your reasoning and learn from your mistake. Moreover, you did a lot of things right too: you noticed the wardec, you realized the tower was a target, you saved most of your assets, you did not post a whiney post on forums about how you are being griefed. If you keep at this you'll be a damn good player one day fairly soon.
Everyone in EVE has done a lot of totally idiotic rookie mistakes (if they tell you otherwise, they are lying or deluding themselves). All of us have hilarious stories about total facepalm moments when we realized that something we were busily doing actually served the total opposite of our goals. What differentiates a good player from a crap one is that when a good player makes a mistake, he or she figures out what went wrong, and then finds out a way to do it better next time. A crap player goes around blaming someone else, game mechanics, or general unfairness of everything, and learning exactly nothing. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1264
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:24:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Honestly, you did better way better than most people in the same situation. You did not completely do it right, but immediately when you realized you had done it wrong, you figured out what the right thing is, and posted about it so others can check your reasoning and learn from your mistake. Moreover, you did a lot of things right too: you noticed the wardec, you realized the tower was a target, you saved most of your assets, you did not post a whiney post on forums about how you are being griefed. If you keep at this you'll be a damn good player one day fairly soon.
Everyone in EVE has done a lot of totally idiotic rookie mistakes (if they tell you otherwise, they are lying or deluding themselves). All of us have hilarious stories about total facepalm moments when we realized that something we were busily doing actually served the total opposite of our goals. What differentiates a good player from a crap one is that when a good player makes a mistake, he or she figures out what went wrong, and then finds out a way to do it better next time. A crap player goes around blaming someone else, game mechanics, or general unfairness of everything, and learning exactly nothing.
All of this. Eve needs more players like the OP. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde
The Freak Show
7
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:40:00 -
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i appreciate you guys and your input these last couple posts and several beers have made me feel much better about my "total facepalm moment" (great term for it) Im still new here and i hope other young newbies will learn and think twice if it seems shady it probably is..and luckily like elsebeth said earlier i must've been at least running the pos right it paid for itself 3 times over before i lost it so in the end it was a wholely worthwhile experience :)
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
198
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:44:00 -
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One thing to learn about EVE is that whatever you do, there's always a fairly good chance that you lose it. What matters is not whether your towers get occasionally blown up - what matters is if they get blown up so much that you are not making profit (or whatever your goal was putting them up). |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
724
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:46:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Everyone in EVE has done a lot of totally idiotic rookie mistakes. Some of us have never stopped...
But yes, OP is doing it right. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:01:00 -
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Heh, I remember someone tried doing that to me once, something very similar, and I was expecting it, so I suicided their hauler as soon as it uncloaked. Before going with the suicide option I was thinking that if someone tried bumping me off, I could have a bumper on hand as well, but suiciding seemed more appropriate. I figured that even if they did nab the tower before I could pop them, it would either drop in the wreck I could scoop, or would go "poof" and no one gets it, but the hauler popped easily well before it got in "scoop to cargo" range... Now that we have the ~Tornado~ that would have been even cheaper / easier. |
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:08:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Someone in your corp gave someone rights they shouldn't have. Suck it up.
ahahaha I love it when folks post without actually reading further than the title.
Kudos to you OP. I once let a tower run out of fuel, and then lost both labs to a suiciode gank. **** hpapens, the important thing is to learn from it and move on. |
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Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
12
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Posted - 2012.04.03 10:22:00 -
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Nice read, nice comments apart from one moron could there be hope for these forums yet? If I might add a small tip. If you orbit some thing rather than sitting still it makes you alot harder to bump.
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Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2012.04.03 10:33:00 -
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You did good up to C).
Take down everything of value.
Leave the tower up. Fit some ECM, Hardeners, Scramblers and Turrets.
Make no contact with the wardeccers. Try keep away from them.
They then have the choice of taking down a well defended tower with no capital ship support (very very boring indeed), for no reward, or just moving onto their next target.
They will move on.
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
83
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:15:00 -
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I stole so many towers like this ahahaha thanks for the faction towers m8s ahaha the best part is when they are crying in local, while I'm flying away in my bestower like a boss.
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(and yes, it works) |
Corp 5py
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:52:00 -
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Shotgun' Sara Cyanyde wrote: So, im not mad or nothing i figured the tower was lost the minute i anchored it, BUT after some reflection on it, when i had the choice to build up a formidable defensive tower or a dickstar at least, or take it down and try to escape with it,
Could have done this: Unanchor the stuff you could (which you did) Empty stuff (which you did) Take a 6-10 hour break from eve (i.e. alarm clock set to wake you at a off-hour) Come back and un-anchor your tower.
What I think transpired was the war-deccer corp had watched you for a bit and had your usual log-in time recorded. They then gambled that you would rush to unanchor as soon as you read the war-dec message (they also probably initiated some talk with you on some occasion ... think back...). They then had a neutral alt keep an eye on the POS. When you were about done, he signaled for the hauler to come. You know the rest.
If you w8 a good chunk of time for the risky unanchor bit, you throw their timing out and you have a better chance of running, if you so choose. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
203
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:43:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:I stole so many towers like this ahahaha thanks for the faction towers m8s ahaha the best part is when they are crying in local, while I'm flying away in my bestower like a boss. If tears were your goal, though, the OP seems to have won... |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
72
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:04:00 -
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nice read OP and seems you got a good learning experience from it. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
lanyaie
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:42:00 -
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I came here expecting tears I leave while saying GJ on not getting out tearsOP I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
185
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Posted - 2012.04.04 01:38:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Nice grab, yea.
I agree with the OP's idea that if you think a POS is going to be a target, instead of dismantling completely, take everything you actually care out of it and make it into as much of a nuisance to reinforce as you can. If you were doing the POS right, you were making money with it, so you can easily afford that, too.
(Ignore or report the flametrolls. Answering them just feeds them.)
Pretty much this ^^^^
Some guys will want you to unanchor the tower. A few friends of mine would spend all their time scouting for large faction towers, wardec people and wait with neutral haulers to scoop the tower as it unacnhors. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.04.04 02:05:00 -
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U sit at 150km+ cloaked bookmark the tower then when it has seconds left uncloak then warp then scoop. An alt in a gank ship is good also. Make sure the hauler is a neut. |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:19:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:U sit at 150km+ cloaked bookmark the tower then when it has seconds left uncloak then warp then scoop. An alt in a gank ship is good also. Make sure the hauler is a neut.
Out of interest,and may be a counter to this: Is it possible to warp to the pos, if the pos is targeted?
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