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Undertow Latheus	Posted - 2008.10.25 01:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Undertow Latheus on 25/10/2008 01:11:37 One of the main reasons i chose minmatar, is because they seemed to fit my warfare philosophy in throwing caution to the wind and killing your opponent as quickly as possible... I would look at their ship descriptions for "Boundless Creation" ships and it would talk about fitting as much firepower as humanly possible, and on ewar ships it would say that it favors ewar over the traditional "lots of guns" approach favored by minmatar. Minmatar having artillery shells 1.4 meters wide also influenced me a bit, and somehow i thought firing dozens of nukes at someone would be a little more potent. However, the more i play EVE, mess around in EFT, read forums, look up loadouts, etc., the more dissapointed i get... so i guess my question is... Where the hell did the Brutor Tribe and Minmatar war philosophy go in the design of EVE?? Minnie battleships are widely considered the worst, and the one that seems to embody the minnie philosophy with 10% bonus to large projectile weapon dps per level only has 6 turret hardpoints, the only difference between a pest and a cane is a pest has one more med slot and uses bigger guns! The phoon is pretty good, but only if you have a few dozen million skillpoints devoted to maxing out every drone, gunnery, and missle operation skill that applies, and minnie is getting ****ed even harder after the patch with all their bs's getting so much slower (i know all bs's are getting slower) and with amarr and caldari getting buffed even more. and besides projectile weapons are just sad, pulses and torps outrange and outdps AC's, and the only weapon platform that doesnt have more range than AC's has immensly more dps... I dunno, i guess im pretty let down... if CCP doesnt plan on changing them, they should at least change the ships descriptions to something more like "Specializes in potentially going slightly faster than other ships and throwing annoying pebbles at enemies" sorry for sounding so bitter, im just frustrated
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.25 01:37:00 - [2] Shouldn't have trained Minmatar, CCP hate them; then again i'm enjoying them. Stick to sub BS ships.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.25 01:41:00 - [3] minny war philosophy doesn't really involve bs :D stay with the sex cane "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.25 02:03:00 - [4] minmatar combat philosophy: be FREAKING VERTICAL to distract the enemies while you steal some of their crap and duct tape it onto your ship.
Blue Tsunami	Posted - 2008.10.25 02:32:00 - [5] To be quite honest I am truly puzzled by the current state of Minny BS's. I too chose this race due to them being the fast and hit and run style race. The logic behind this new change where Minny BS's get chunkier clearly eludes me. I will however not give up on this race, no way! I'll I can say is hang in there for awhile. There will come a time when these atrocities can no longer be ignored and will have to be remedied. I remember a great many Amarr pilots who did just that.
Undertow Latheus	Posted - 2008.10.25 02:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Vanthropy minny war philosophy doesn't really involve bs :D stay with the sex cane yeah thats what im in right now, and im probably gonna be training up skills so im a better cane pilot for a while, but even if you have all skills V im not sure how well a cane would hold up against a raven, geddon, baddon, apoc, mega, domi, etc.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.25 02:40:00 - [7] no, not in a toe to toe gang vs tank match.. but it can pick its fights as well as a cruiser and it's as fast as one too. you don't need to be able to 1v1 a battleship to kick ass at pvp "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.25 02:41:00 - [8] the can is your ship mate, and besides... it's so so so sexy. otherwise you betta train gallente and gank along side me. but the can has a major advantage over most blaster boats. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.25 03:29:00 - [9] Everything Sub-BC/CS is good for Minmatar, the battleships and Caps are not too good. Its good you trained Mini, no one can take that from you. But if you have learned anything, its that you need to diversify your racial profolio. Amarr/Gallente Battleships and Caps, Minmatar for cruiser stuff, Caldari recons. Your golden. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.25 04:15:00 - [10] I followed the minmatar war like gank path... And trained for blasters, but CCP hates gallente too lol. Though that said with the pest, it would be amazing if ac were good because it gets damage and rof bonuses to combine and give it a 66.7% bonus to damage from ship alone! They just got a bit too ballanced and need a large damage increase, as do blaster (a bigger one please ccp).
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.25 06:31:00 - [11] Isn't hit n run + BS class a bit odd to be seen in the same sentence? Would you like to have nano-BSs once more around?* Isn't sniping a good hit n run tactic? At least for 1-2 salvos arties are doing well enough (huge alpha and such)...just be aligned before you shoot *1-2 pilots I fought against used nano-typhoons with officer/deadspace mods (MWD+point) and almost def snakes and polys to fly VERY fast...used them along with probing ships to tackle stranded opponents in safespots etc...not very balanced, and it was a minie BS...and it was 2008...should I start whining (cause we didn't get him)?
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.25 11:58:00 - [12] Well Minmatar ships got some bite(excluding Pest here a bit) playing with range and beeing flexible in the fight by chosing Tactic and Range depending on your Target. If you like packing as mutch Firepower on your ship as possible well this is Gallente, while Drone ships offer flexible Fitting tactics with most of the time more or less unstellar DPS, Blaster ship offer actualy only one Tactic, get close and kill or die trying. For example the Minmatar ship can stay at range vs a Blaster ship and try to get close vs Lasers to counter her advantages, many other ships don¦t have this kind of choice in the end. Also while the sub BS linup is preaty good, the BS linup is not actualy bad but diffrent. Phoon comes closest to the flexible concept but requires a ton of SP, Pest was actualy quite good once the extra med and the 2 extra High Slots where more worth, but this is mainly a Module issue/ballance change. Mealstorm at the other hand is in fact one of the best BS active Tanks while putting out serious hurt but I think most people that fly Mini in gernal don¦t like the concept of a slow, heavy Tanked BS. Actualy Rifter, Rupture and Hurricane are preaty Brutor, combining Mobility, Tank and Gank in a preaty good mix, Phoon does it to but needs many SP and Mealstorm execels at Tank and Gank on Minmatar standards while sacrificing the moblity.
sfsdf	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:40:00 - [13] you whining when you have the Maelstorm?
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:43:00 - [14] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 25/10/2008 12:44:20 Originally by: sfsdf you whining when you have the Maelstorm? THE MAELSTROM IS ** Shield boost bonuses suck It's slow as ** It's tier 3 etc etc
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2008.10.26 09:19:00 - [15] Originally by: The Djego Well Minmatar ships got some bite(excluding Pest here a bit) playing with range and beeing flexible in the fight by chosing Tactic and Range depending on your Target. If you like packing as mutch Firepower on your ship as possible well this is Gallente, while Drone ships offer flexible Fitting tactics with most of the time more or less unstellar DPS, Blaster ship offer actualy only one Tactic, get close and kill or die trying. For example the Minmatar ship can stay at range vs a Blaster ship and try to get close vs Lasers to counter her advantages, many other ships don¦t have this kind of choice in the end. Also while the sub BS linup is preaty good, the BS linup is not actualy bad but diffrent. Phoon comes closest to the flexible concept but requires a ton of SP, Pest was actualy quite good once the extra med and the 2 extra High Slots where more worth, but this is mainly a Module issue/ballance change. Mealstorm at the other hand is in fact one of the best BS active Tanks while putting out serious hurt but I think most people that fly Mini in gernal don¦t like the concept of a slow, heavy Tanked BS. Actualy Rifter, Rupture and Hurricane are preaty Brutor, combining Mobility, Tank and Gank in a preaty good mix, Phoon does it to but needs many SP and Mealstorm execels at Tank and Gank on Minmatar standards while sacrificing the moblity. I kind of agree with the OP here. The description of the Minmatar ships doesnt describe the ships at all. It flat out lies about how the ship really are. To the quote above. Staying at range vs a mega, the pest will have less dps. Staying close vs a mega the pest will have less dps. Staying close against lasers bs less dps, at range, less dps. VS torps raven less dps.... I would be ok with this if pest could tank like a mofo. But it cant. Because of its slot layout, it cant really fit that great of a tank. Regarding the phoon. I find the phoon work best if you drop AC's on it. I fit torps+neuts and drones. Does 800+++ dps. More then my pest, even though i only fit half of its weapon bonus. Is phoon that skill intenensive? I would claim no! Doesnt take long to train for torps, some armor and minnie bs. If you want to fit torps+ AC's you wont have much pg/cpu to fit tank anyway. But yes, that takes a **** laod of SP. But personal i dont like this fitting... Mael can fit an awsome tank. Very true. And in some situation it is a great ship. But it has many flaws. It were ment to be the new uber sniper. It is not! You see more and more snipers at 200km++ range, where minnie snipers simply cant compete... To fit mwd, scram and web on it you gimp it tank so much it isnt so uber anymore. And as remote rep gangs are the way to playe these days. CCP has added the wrong bonus on the mael. Should have been res bonus instead of tank bonus... I have learned a long time ago that either you quit or adabt in this game. So i have adapted and converted to caldari and gallente. I still fly the phoon as i see it has its good purpose. Else i fly torp raven or mega depending on task and who i fly with.
beor oranes Caldari Skill Level Six	Posted - 2008.10.26 10:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 25/10/2008 12:44:20 Originally by: sfsdf you whining when you have the Maelstorm? THE MAELSTROM IS ** Shield boost bonuses suck It's slow as It's tier 3 etc etc Just proving that Maels don't suck Some Maelstrom Fun I know for a fact he doesn't run with faction gear or crystals...but still can own other BS's. Minnies do have problems, I'm not saying they don't. The Phoon is a kick ass ship if you have the skills to fly it and the Mael is a good BS (though its not perfect and does not work in EVERY situation). The Pest is another matter, it has serious problems but it doesn't mean it you can't have fun with it. If you are that annoyed with it, trash your char and start again or do like the rest of us and cross train. I went from Caldari to Minmatar, I haven't regretted a minute of it! ------------------------------------------------ Either** pick a dry year when fighting wars or civilize the moronic races and have no wars at all!
Undertow Latheus	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:05:00 - [17] Edited by: Undertow Latheus on 26/10/2008 11:08:22 Just some clarification, the main thing i was saying was that minnie ships don't hold true to their philosophy, and i wish the devs would keep what minnie ships are supposed to be when they're making new ships or balancing and about the mael, in that video it was killing another minnie bs, and it was armor tanking. If your ship is most effective when you're completely disregarding one of its bonuses (37.5% boost bonus) then something is seriously wrong with the balancing of your ship.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Diomidis Isn't hit n run + BS class a bit odd to be seen in the same sentence? Would you like to have nano-BSs once more around?* Isn't sniping a good hit n run tactic? At least for 1-2 salvos arties are doing well enough (huge alpha and such)...just be aligned before you shoot *1-2 pilots I fought against used nano-typhoons with officer/deadspace mods (MWD+point) and almost def snakes and polys to fly VERY fast...used them along with probing ships to tackle stranded opponents in safespots etc...not very balanced, and it was a minie BS...and it was 2008...should I start whining (cause we didn't get him)? Hit and run does not need to mean nano!! That is afallacy! The ancient alpha strike advantage of tempest used to be a good hit and run capability. 2 or 3 tempest could warp in select a smaller target lock fire click warp out... just before warpign out secodn volley would go off and very likely the small target woudl be dead. But the Hp boosts negated that. The script negated that (now takes much longer to achieve lock ). IF the Howitzers would get changed ... something like 25% more damage and 20% worse ROF ( result same dps). Then the hit and run could work again. Another option change tempest rof and damage bonuses into 6% damage per level and ANOTHER 6% damage per level. Same dps.. again a significant alpha strike advantage. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
tgunn	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Hit and run does not need to mean nano!! That is afallacy! The ancient alpha strike advantage of tempest used to be a good hit and run capability. 2 or 3 tempest could warp in select a smaller target lock fire click warp out... just before warpign out secodn volley would go off and very likely the small target woudl be dead. But the Hp boosts negated that. The script negated that (now takes much longer to achieve lock ). IF the Howitzers would get changed ... something like 25% more damage and 20% worse ROF ( result same dps). Then the hit and run could work again. Another option change tempest rof and damage bonuses into 6% damage per level and ANOTHER 6% damage per level. Same dps.. again a significant alpha strike advantage. You're telling us you want to be able to warp in, instantly lock, hit warp out and kill someone in the two waves of shots you get off? Yeah, makes perfect sense.
beor oranes Caldari Skill Level Six	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Undertow Latheus Edited by: Undertow Latheus on 26/10/2008 11:08:22 Just some clarification, the main thing i was saying was that minnie ships don't hold true to their philosophy, and i wish the devs would keep what minnie ships are supposed to be when they're making new ships or balancing and about the mael, in that video it was killing another minnie bs, and it was armor tanking. If your ship is most effective when you're completely disregarding one of its bonuses (37.5% boost bonus) then something is seriously wrong with the balancing of your ship. In the video I linked there is no armour tanking Mael in there...what video you on about?
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:41:00 - [21] Originally by: beor oranes Originally by: Undertow Latheus Edited by: Undertow Latheus on 26/10/2008 11:08:22 Just some clarification, the main thing i was saying was that minnie ships don't hold true to their philosophy, and i wish the devs would keep what minnie ships are supposed to be when they're making new ships or balancing and about the mael, in that video it was killing another minnie bs, and it was armor tanking. If your ship is most effective when you're completely disregarding one of its bonuses (37.5% boost bonus) then something is seriously wrong with the balancing of your ship. In the video I linked there is no armour tanking Mael in there...what video you on about? I am pretty sure he didnt mean armor tanking mael but shield tanking mael dishing out damage. A mael together with some tacklers can be a very nice ship. But so can the raven, and raven has higher dps :P
Undertow Latheus	Posted - 2008.10.26 11:54:00 - [22] Originally by: beor oranes Originally by: Undertow Latheus Edited by: Undertow Latheus on 26/10/2008 11:08:22 Just some clarification, the main thing i was saying was that minnie ships don't hold true to their philosophy, and i wish the devs would keep what minnie ships are supposed to be when they're making new ships or balancing and about the mael, in that video it was killing another minnie bs, and it was armor tanking. If your ship is most effective when you're completely disregarding one of its bonuses (37.5% boost bonus) then something is seriously wrong with the balancing of your ship. In the video I linked there is no armour tanking Mael in there...what video you on about? sry, whoever made the video had a DCU and a repper running and i just assumed that the video was from the point of view of the mael i couldnt really make out anything in the video
Amezyarak	Posted - 2008.10.26 12:24:00 - [23] If you look at the history of the Minmatar people in EVE and what they had to endure, how they have always lived, even under Amarr oppression, you'd understand their situation.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.26 12:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Happster Originally by: The Djego stuff I kind of agree with the OP here. The description of the Minmatar ships doesnt describe the ships at all. It flat out lies about how the ship really are. To the quote above. Staying at range vs a mega, the pest will have less dps. Staying close vs a mega the pest will have less dps. Staying close against lasers bs less dps, at range, less dps. VS torps raven less dps.... I would be ok with this if pest could tank like a mofo. But it cant. Because of its slot layout, it cant really fit that great of a tank. Regarding the phoon. I find the phoon work best if you drop AC's on it. I fit torps+neuts and drones. Does 800+++ dps. More then my pest, even though i only fit half of its weapon bonus. Is phoon that skill intenensive? I would claim no! Doesnt take long to train for torps, some armor and minnie bs. If you want to fit torps+ AC's you wont have much pg/cpu to fit tank anyway. But yes, that takes a **** laod of SP. But personal i dont like this fitting... Mael can fit an awsome tank. Very true. And in some situation it is a great ship. But it has many flaws. It were ment to be the new uber sniper. It is not! You see more and more snipers at 200km++ range, where minnie snipers simply cant compete... To fit mwd, scram and web on it you gimp it tank so much it isnt so uber anymore. And as remote rep gangs are the way to playe these days. CCP has added the wrong bonus on the mael. Should have been res bonus instead of tank bonus... I have learned a long time ago that either you quit or adabt in this game. So i have adapted and converted to caldari and gallente. I still fly the phoon as i see it has its good purpose. Else i fly torp raven or mega depending on task and who i fly with. The staying at range was not meant to be Mega vs Pest(why everyone everytime using the pest a grand example for the hole Minmatar ships, its like me using the Deimos as grand example that Gallente sucks). Also I had 2 Pest 1o1s once, first one 1 won without realy getting in Armor, 2. one I lost close with the Mega(given the 2. Pilote matched me in Skills, used Imps to and used the Tracking Disruptors and Neuts to wear me down. Also Pest with Tracking Disruptor and neuts can take a Amarr BS close, true story. The keep Range works for a Minmatar ship against a Blaster ship in the sub BS level quite good, even funnier, in the Cruiser and Frigate class Minmatar ships even got the superior buffer because of the low Powergrid needs of AKs. I could compare Rupture to Thorax here, could show that Gallente sucks preaty hard quite easy but I don¦t do this. Diffrent to this i read this kind of closeups in any Minmatar Thread what kills her credibility most of the time. To the Meal, as stated before if you fit MWD, Web and Point, it becomes pointless, and it would be simply a bad fitting, use a Phoon if you want this instead. Actualy the Boost Bonus is good on the Mealstorm, not perfect but not useless, Caldari got the resist Boni as the standard linup.
Evan Batarr	Posted - 2008.10.26 16:48:00 - [25] The OP is right - the descriptions are totally misleading. Try and fit a Minnie BS for today's fleet fights (and that's what you use your BS most for if you live in 0.0) at over 200 km and at least 1 Titan in system. Only the Maelstrom can do that (with 3 Locus rigs) - Tempest cannot lock over 180 km if DD-tanked and the phoon is no sniper anyway. Every other race has a ship that can do that easily (rokh, apoc, mega (well not easily but at least it works with a mega)). Now rigs will stacking nerf after the upcoming patch which practically means Minnie BS are (more or less) useless in fleet fights. And on a side note - all the mentioned ships have more DPS than the Minmatar BS.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.27 09:43:00 - [26] Originally by: tgunn Originally by: Kagura Nikon Hit and run does not need to mean nano!! That is afallacy! The ancient alpha strike advantage of tempest used to be a good hit and run capability. 2 or 3 tempest could warp in select a smaller target lock fire click warp out... just before warpign out secodn volley would go off and very likely the small target woudl be dead. But the Hp boosts negated that. The script negated that (now takes much longer to achieve lock ). IF the Howitzers would get changed ... something like 25% more damage and 20% worse ROF ( result same dps). Then the hit and run could work again. Another option change tempest rof and damage bonuses into 6% damage per level and ANOTHER 6% damage per level. Same dps.. again a significant alpha strike advantage. You're telling us you want to be able to warp in, instantly lock, hit warp out and kill someone in the two waves of shots you get off? Yeah, makes perfect sense. re read I said a group of tempest and kill some smaller ship, like cruiser. And yes that is what we should be able to do what we used to be able to do in past. And the only way the " omg nber alpha strike"advantage of minmatar can mean anyhthing.
Elena Morin'staal Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp	Posted - 2008.10.27 10:20:00 - [27] I fly a Mael sometimes, and was messing around in Eve Fitting Tool, with my current fit. With my gunnery skills (lots of support ones, Large Proj 3) I was doing an average DPS. When, for a laugh I gave myself Large hyrbrid 3 but kept all other skills the same, I was doing a much higher DPS with Large Rails. What the hell is that about?

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