How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now you are require to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now you are require to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

To this end, CCP has already stated that Dust will be cross-compatabile.

Because Microsoft dictates to CCP what they can and can't do in their game. Sony gives CCP the freedom to create whatever game they want.

Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now you are require to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Of course they say this for now. How many people would have bought a PS3 for Dust if CCP said the second PS4 comes out we're done with PS3?

Freedom to the Devs, many butt ******** to the player. Devs lose jobs when there's no players.

Not sure if wise choice in the end.

Sony was the only company that would allow the network interaction that enables Dust and Eve to talk to one another and be part of the same universe.

You can always keep your old PS3 and play games on it, you know.

Wrong console, wrong company.

To this end, CCP has already stated that Dust will be cross-compatabile.

That said, I agree if only because as a both a PS3 and 360 owner, the PS3 has a dismal online experience. The UI for social interaction over PSN is clunky, counter-intuitive, cumbersome, time-consuming, and downright unpleasant to use when compared to Xbox Live.

Why in Christ CCP decided to launch Dust just in time before the PS4, I don't know.

Of course they say this for now. How many people would have bought a PS3 for Dust if CCP said the second PS4 comes out we're done with PS3?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Both of them are terrible & evil businesses :(

Should have went with the Wii U :(, although Nintendo always has a tight hand on what comes on their console and what doesn't (lololl shovelware wii)

Pffft...Gameboy Advance was the obvious choice for DUST. Why they would choose an inferior consol over a handheld is beyond me.

Don't know what all the Butthurt directed at Sony is about. You should be raging at CCP....

(and contrary to popular belief, console players are not all whiny 13 y/os ).

It shouldn't have been on either console. Should have been for the PC. Could have worked a deal with Steam or something.

Possibly. And it might happen in the future when they work out how to properly balance the responsiveness of different input devices and provide a balanced game environment.

However, I think it is a smart move to diversify their customer base. Picking up a whole new revenue stream on a different platform makes the company stronger.

An initial release on the PC would have muddied the waters too much.

Or oh, I dunno, remove mouse support? There are controllers for the PC you know?

Xbox >
We're also sorry you cannot patch daily to fix exploits.

Sony PS3 was the lesser of two evils.

Microsoft is notorious for screwing up online play. Charging for necessary game fixing patches and such.

Xbox > We're sorry but you cant use your third party voice IOP you must use the microsoft only voip.
We're also sorry but every patch you put out will cost 10k usd.
We're also sorry you cannot patch daily to fix exploits.
We're also sorry you cannot connect to outside networks.

dont ask about our failed experiment with this either.

PS4> Cool so you guys say you can get the game coded in something I can understand? Awsome, well see about keeping the policies the same and the door open for you!

Volkswagon > Why do I have the worst used car ratings in the industry? si there some sort of magical switch that makes me a shoddy car after I leave my original owner?

I wonder how console fanboys will feel about orbit cannons?

Time for the showdown between the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race and the dirty console gaming peasants.

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

So who were they gonna go with? Nintendo?

Microsoft was too anal about controlling everything to let CCP do:
-Free to play
-Connectivity to TQ, kinda vital here
-Free expansions and patches

That and since Dust is F2P redownloading a new version shouldn't be too bad. CCP likely already has plan for the PS4. Since they are using a standard engine like the Unreal engine they probably won't have much technical work to do and will simply be updating graphics. If the PS4 uses the same PSN then not a whole lot of technical changes here either.

That sounds like a solid plan. Remove the core input device for a PC and require all your users to purchase a controller if they don't have one so they can play the game. I can see you are a budding businessman.

You sir are an idiot. please wake up and join reality before you post this nonsense.

It is common knowledge in the gaming world EA, Microsoft and Sony want to kill the used video game market, this market does not generate any cash for them and they are greedy bastards. This is common knowledge to those that watch the Video game market.
This is not a SONY only thing, this is across the board. The used game market takes profits out of their pockets is what the Higher ups at EA, Microsoft and SONY think.

The next Xbox will not have backwards compatibility either.

Justt like PS2, they will support PS3 for another year or so depending how PS4 sells.

Is it me or does this OP seem to be screaming. "I have an Xbox360 and mommy and daddy told me NO when I asked them to buy me a PS3 for Dust"

Yah, cause requiring everyone to buy a $300 console is SOOOOOOOOOOO much cheaper then a controler, RIGHT?


Way to show that once again sony fan boys are complete rubbish at any other thought process other then "lolz throw gernade BOOOOOOOOOM lolz again again BOOOOOOM lolz"

Yah, cause requiring everyone to buy a $300 console is SOOOOOOOOOOO much cheaper then a controller, RIGHT?

Way to show that once again sony fan boys are complete rubbish at any other thought process other then "lolz throw gernade BOOOOOOOOOM lolz again again BOOOOOOM lolz"

Talking out of your backside....no patch has ever had a charge with it. Content updates labelled as DLC yes, patches no.

I don't own an xbox I own a ps3 and it's the last PoS I will ever buy from Sony.

The choice to put it only on a console is more the mistake.

Dear child. Nobody is required to buy a $300 console. Nor did I ever suggest it should be so. I am certainly not going to purchase one. Fortunately my partner has one, so if I want to try the game I can use that.

Please try to not invent positions for other people - it is making you look really, really stupid.

Posting in a thread where the OP states that Sony is more evil than Microsoft :derp:

I won't repeat what others have said apart from a quick summation

CCP : Microsoft "hey guys we have this wicked good f2p shooter that hooks up to our own servers & our other game"
Microsoft : CCP "your own servers you say? sorry no can do, we can't skin our customers with that approach"

CCP : Sony "hey guys we have this wicked good f2p shooter that hooks up to our own servers & our other game"
Sony : CCP "your own servers you say?, and your other game, that just happens to be one of the largest virtual worlds that's not sharded?, hell yeah that's innovative and forward thinking, we'll help you"

I don't own a ps3 or an xbox 360, I still use my ps2 slim and my original xbox (it's a media player now, I don't game on it XBMC ftw)

@Tippia Atari Lynx? try Atari 2600 still got one, still works to.

Sony accepted because they are absolutely DESPERATE to get something (an fps) people want to play on the PS3 that may increase sales of the system because they have absolutely nothing left to lose. Developers left en-mass because of how the PS3 was handled, PS4 will be even worse. Probably gonna be a $700 dollar system that won't sell jack squat in units.

You can't back track out of your quoted stupidness.


You suggested making people pay for a $300 console "if they don't have one" instead of a $10 controller "if they don't have one".

If it will help you sleep at night though, you can keep trying to backtrack out of it.

No, dear. That is not what I said. That is what you imagine I said.

I told you it makes sense to target a new group of customers from a business perspective. That is point 1.

When you responded that the answer balancing the different input devices between PC and Consoles was to disable the mouse on the PC and force everyone to buy a controller I said you are a s.m.r.t businessman. That is point 2.

I did not suggest everyone needs to buy a console as the game is targeted at a different group of customers. You know, the ones that already OWN A PS3.

The two are distinct and separate points. Sorry you cannot comprehend that.

Well in all fairness Sony is a pretty crap company they have a track record of ruining games, Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies are the ones i know of cause i played them until :SOE:

A "new group of customers" would have been PC FPS players which is a different group then what eve is. Considering more people play PC FPS's then any single console FPS (especially anything on the PS3) should have been a clue but, well, you are the person who thinks a $300 console is less of a burden to buy then a $10 controller.

Sony accepted because they are absolutely DESPERATE to get something (an fps) people want to play on the PS3 that may increase sales of the system because they have absolutely nothing left to lose. Developers left en-mass because of how the PS3 was handled, PS4 will be even worse. Probably gonna be a $700 dollar system that won't sell jack squat in units.

And lol @ M$. You people obviously have short memories. $oE is way, way worse.

lol...Sony and Desperate. Riiiiight...that is just showing ignorance right there.

Go ahead. Give me examples of how Sony is worse than Microsoft and ill chuck back 3 things that Microsoft did that makes them worse than Sony.

Keep trying to backtrack.

A "new group of customers" would have been PC FPS players which is a different group then what eve is. Considering more people play PC FPS's then any single console FPS (especially anything on the PS3) should have been a clue but, well, you are the person who thinks a $300 console is less of a burden to buy then a $10 controller.

I will NEVER buy a console. No corporation will EVER dictate how I use my hardware and software together.

Should've been a PC shooter. Why, CCP? Why didn't you make it a PC shooter? It would've been so ******* good. I would have bought it. I would have played it. But no, ****** console FPS, so I can't.

RPS: People have been surprised about DUST 514, and its being a PS3 exclusive.

Torfi Frans: Eve players have known about it for quite a while, so they werenGÇÖt that surprised, although they didnGÇÖt know it was a PS3 exclusive. Among our hardcore community there was some rumbling, of course. GÇ£Why canGÇÖt I play it on my PC?GÇ¥ But you already have EVE on the PC, and what weGÇÖre trying to do is introduce the world of EVE to a larger audience. And we felt that by being on console that would open up the world to a much wider audience. And as a corporate policy we wanted to learn how to make games for a console.

RPS: But at the same time, obviously it is opening up to a wider audience, but also youGÇÖre closing it off to your core audience.

Thomas Farrer: Well, we donGÇÖt want to cannibalise our own player-base. The thing with the world of EVE Online is that it interests an awful lot of people. ItGÇÖs a fascinating world. We wanted to make that accessible to a wider audience, to invite new people in.

As was said earlier:



From an interview last year.

Yah, what a contradiction filled interview.

Mankind invented the mouse in the 70's... its proven to be way more efficient.

Should've been a PC shooter. Why, CCP? Why didn't you make it a PC shooter? It would've been so ******* good. I would have bought it. I would have played it. But no, ****** console FPS, so I can't.

[quote=Xercodo]So who were they gonna go with? Nintendo?

Oh, here's an idea - #@$%@# consoles! Release to PC... [poof] and all the BS invovled with consoles are gone!

Mankind invented the mouse in the 70's... its proven to be way more efficient.

dont like the console its on? dont play it.

Got an xbox? if it came out on your console the graphics and gameplay would be half of what it is on ps3 as ps3 is a superior machine (dont rage at me because lets face it...it is)

Got a wii? hahahahaha

Got a pc? Go play planetside 2, its the same type of game

Got all of the above but no ps3? im sure you could sell them all and have enough for a ps3

Got a ps3? here, has a cookie on me.


What have i got? i got an xbox and a pc? what am i going to do about dust? borrow a friends ps3 and see if dust is any good. If its not then i will go back to my pc and play planetside 2 cos it will remind me of the good old days.

Should've made it a PC game (shooters with gamepad = lol) and should've self published instead of going through any of the "established" houses of mediocrity (MS, Sony, EA, ...).

CCP didn't pick the wrong console. They picked wrong: console.

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

I don't own an xbox I own a ps3 and it's the last PoS I will ever buy from Sony.

both Xbox 720 and PS4 (Orbis) wont allow the use of games resold so either way the OP's arguement is null & void.


Dust514 should really have been a PC title, as it is the only system that is not restricted in anyway similar to the way consoles are.

Wrong console, wrong company.


Sony - one of the most vile, despicable companies on this planet has been literally bending their customers over every single chance they get for the quite awhile now. Look at the PS3. They removed the backwards compatibility for one reason, so they could "remake" older games and resell them for more money.

Now, look at the rumors for the PS4. Absolutely no backwards compatibility. It looks like they are trying to completely destroy the reselling of games because games now require you to log in to PSN. If you resell, the person that buys the game will not have complete access to the game because the key is locked to the original owner's PSN.

Imagine if this worked with cars. You buy a used car but since you aren't the original owner the brakes won't work, ever. Have fun!

How does this bode with Dust514? When CCP ports it to PS4 will they continue support for the PS3 version or are we all going to get screwed once again?

How could you partner with such a reprehensible company CCP?

I have worked in this field for a long time and any restrictions on use of software, "because of Piracy", makes as much sense as a government that searches your grandmother for bombs at the airport "because of terrism".

0/10

"because of piracy" is based on companies collecting as much profit from digitally based "intellectual property" as possible. It's all about money.

GǪit also has absolutely nothing to do with Dust, since it can't really be pirated anyway.