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Lana Torrin
Friends of Tristan
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:30:00 -
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With the recent patch notes and the proposed changes to the criminal flagging and wardec mechanics I was wondering, why don't you just turn off highsec aggression already? Clearly it is no longer in CCPs interest to have people fighting in highsec without consent, so why not just take it away from us completely now and save us the 2 or 3 years of it getting slowly pushed aside. You'll probably only drop a few subscriptions now anyway as you have pretty much banned most of PL and Goons for RMTing ahead of their proposed jita camp.
Why draw out the death of highsec PvP CCP, just put a bullet between its eyes and never look back. |
Jita Alt666
986
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:32:00 -
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I have a very different reading of the wardec mechanics than you. I am looking forward to running a merc corp for profit in high sec. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
406
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:35:00 -
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Lana Torrin wrote:With the recent patch notes and the proposed changes to the criminal flagging and wardec mechanics I was wondering, why don't you just turn off highsec aggression already? Clearly it is no longer in CCPs interest to have people fighting in highsec without consent, so why not just take it away from us completely now and save us the 2 or 3 years of it getting slowly pushed aside. You'll probably only drop a few subscriptions now anyway as you have pretty much banned most of PL and Goons for RMTing ahead of their proposed jita camp.
Why draw out the death of highsec PvP CCP, just put a bullet between its eyes and never look back. I applaud you for taking this to the logical conclusion rather than having to iterate repeatedly before converging to the solution.
Listen to this person, they have thought though this. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Zircon Dasher
113
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:38:00 -
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Lana Torrin wrote: Clearly it is no longer in CCPs interest to have people fighting in highsec without consent
The new patch keeps people in highsec from logging in??? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
88
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:41:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:I have a very different reading of the wardec mechanics than you. I am looking forward to running a merc corp for profit in high sec.
Lulz.
CCP is basically removing all meaningful hi sec pvp.
Can you hear the woosh? It's the sound of WoW in space approaching the server. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
407
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:44:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:I have a very different reading of the wardec mechanics than you. I am looking forward to running a merc corp for profit in high sec. Lulz. CCP is basically removing all meaningful hi sec pvp. Can you hear the woosh? It's the sound of WoW in space approaching the server. Did they change the whole decshield yet, actually? It's still possible and not an exploit, right? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
156
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:46:00 -
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Suspect flagging = OH ****, everyone can shoot me. If more than one person can attack me **** that, that's not fair and highsec is full of carebears. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
475
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:49:00 -
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Aww, poor gankbears. Soon the law abiding citizenry will be able to take more matters into their own hands instead of having to rely on spaghetti code. All your protections and silly aggro loops holes from Concord are going away gankbears, boo hoo. |
Jonah Gravenstein
94
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:53:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Suspect flagging = OH ****, everyone can shoot me. If more than one person can attack me **** that, that's not fair and highsec is full of carebears.
This is how it should be, break the rules followed by the majority, get your arse whupped by the majority. The days of popping a 200 million ISK mining vessel or a PVE fitted missioning ship for minimal personal risk and the loss of a gank fitted ship are coming to an end. PVP is the game but the biggest whiners about the changes are the "PVPers" who might actually have to do some proper PVP instead of picking on miners and mission runners whose ships are not suitable or fitted for other purposes. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
430
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:59:00 -
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The wardec changes aren't totally awful.
The aggression flagging thing on the other hand is going to completely ruin all non-war related highsec PVP. |
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Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
28
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:02:00 -
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Yeah, it's gonna suck when you actually lose your ship when you suicide gank. Next they'll make it so 1v1 duels don't allow people to have 5 neutral RRs on their side too! Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
430
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:03:00 -
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Why are people talking about ganking? None of the aggression flagging stuff greyscale talked about was even related to ganking. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
194
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:05:00 -
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Griefer kills carebear Alt steals loot Other grifer kills alt Other griefer steals Alts loot Other griefer kills second alt. There is no loot left
Gate griefing becomes a dog eat dog system and the griefers are eating crow.
So how does it feel to be the victim? |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
476
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:06:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Why are people talking about ganking? None of the aggression flagging stuff greyscale talked about was even related to ganking.
Has more to do with the attitude I think than the specifics. You are right though, ganks bears can still gank. Just won't be able to get away with as much. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:07:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Why are people talking about ganking? None of the aggression flagging stuff greyscale talked about was even related to ganking. Ganking is fighting without one parties consent last I checked. Since the op thinks CCP is interested in removing non-consensual highsec PvP, how is it not related? |
Zircon Dasher
114
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:10:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Ganking is fighting without one parties consent last I checked.
When was the last time you were ganked without being logged on and/or undocked?
Pretty sure those things count as consent. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
430
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:18:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Why are people talking about ganking? None of the aggression flagging stuff greyscale talked about was even related to ganking. Has more to do with the attitude I think than the specifics. You are right though, ganks bears can still gank. Just won't be able to get away with as much. Did you miss the part about tags for sec status and farming alts for sec status or did I completely overlook something? Because it seems to me that there are going to be more ways to recover sec status for ganking and no additional penalties.
And at the same time several the proposed changes will have a hugely deleterious effect on several types of highsec PVP gameplay to the exclusive benefit of NPC corp jet can miners and missioners who get really mad at ninjas but aren't in a corp and don't have a PVP ship.
As someone who actually does PVP in highsec outside of wars and ganking the crimewatch changes look awful. Like worse than dominion sov awful. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
651
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:20:00 -
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"Highsec Dominion"
If that's what this is, oh lord you highsec dwellers are in for a treat. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:30:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Ganking is fighting without one parties consent last I checked. When was the last time you were ganked without being logged on and/or undocked? Pretty sure those things count as consent. Going to have to disagree. Placing oneself in a situation where something is possible and explicitly consenting to it happening are not mutually inclusive. Either way "Death of highsec PvP," would include this kind of activity. |
Black Dranzer
210
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:33:00 -
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Suicide gankers complain about their ganks having to be suicidal, story at 11.
Although I must ask, does that no-warping thing only apply to suicide ganking? Or are you also unable to warp if you enter highsec from lowsec with a gcc? |
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Arrakasi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:36:00 -
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Anyway, you don't get PvP in eve, never have never will. What we get is a form of virtual genocide in null. I low sec we have roaming packs of hynas that think they are lions. As for high sec a schoolyard bully and a fat rich kid both of whom are hiding behind the skirts of their mommy. Only the bully seems to be in denial about it.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
476
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:41:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote: Did you miss the part about tags for sec status and farming alts for sec status or did I completely overlook something? Because it seems to me that there are going to be more ways to recover sec status for ganking and no additional penalties.
Nope, though you may have missed the part where shooting the same alt over and over will have a diminishing return. We've no more details about that yet.
As for tags, we don't have much in the way of details on that either, except they want it to be expensive.
Vimsy Vortis wrote: And at the same time several the proposed changes will have a hugely deleterious effect on several types of highsec PVP gameplay to the exclusive benefit of NPC corp jet can miners and missioners who get really mad at ninjas but aren't in a corp and don't have a PVP ship.
Having flipped enough miners many years ago, they are mostly alone in belts, or a mission, and not much of a threat to a fast small ship. Besides, getting them to steal it back or take a shot at you is the goal anyway. Once that happens, open fire and keep moving, see drones or someone warp in, run. Easy.
Vimsy Vortis wrote: As someone who actually does PVP in highsec outside of wars and ganking the crimewatch changes look awful. Like worse than dominion sov awful.
You can still do those things, just won't have all the curious loop holes for protection. You could opt to go the other way and pop suspect flags. Sit off a gate or station at 100km, seboed to the gils and snipe.
Instead of being a high sec pirate, you can do the other side now too. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:48:00 -
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Arrakasi wrote:Anyway, you don't get PvP in eve, never have never will. What we get is a form of virtual genocide in null. I low sec we have roaming packs of hynas that think they are lions. As for high sec a schoolyard bully and a fat rich kid both of whom are hiding behind the skirts of their mommy. Only the bully seems to be in denial about it.
As opposed to someone hiding behind a week old NPC corp alt. Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Zircon Dasher
116
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:55:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Ganking is fighting without one parties consent last I checked. When was the last time you were ganked without being logged on and/or undocked? Pretty sure those things count as consent. Going to have to disagree. Placing oneself in a situation where something is possible and explicitly consenting to it happening are not mutually inclusive. Either way "Death of highsec PvP," would include this kind of activity.
I don't consent to having CONCORD kill me after ganking someone, but it sure does happen every time.
Yeah, from an eLawyer perspective you are probably correct. We all have to sign consent forms at some point in life.
I am used to thinking of consent from a different set of theories: theories which would question the reasoning capacity of anyone who witheld consent in said situation. |
Dyniss
Argent Uprising
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:00:00 -
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You know some people are not into pvp in Eve. Some enjoy the industry/pve aspects of Eve. We all pay to play his game how we want. If its a persons goal to pvp there are many places to do this wormholes, low sec, null sec and war decs. Shooting a defenseless target is a cheap way to (I stress this) pvp. Now you will have to actually think before you act because now those who do follow the laws of empire space can now cast judgement on those who choose not to obey the laws of empire space. This will also give the phrase high security space an actual meaning now. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
651
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:04:00 -
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Dyniss wrote:You know some people are not into pvp in Eve. Some enjoy the industry/pve aspects of Eve. Industry/Marketeering and even basic purchasing are all part of PVP as you are competing against other players in the pursuit of rewards. So really if we want to make highsec pvp free we have to disable all the markets and all bounties/ore being derived from the region. Otherwise it's just pvp that holds an unfair economic advantage over other players. |
Dyniss
Argent Uprising
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:10:00 -
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If you also think about it this change gives pirates the actual opportunity to pvp instead of suicide ganking because you can use this mechanic to get highsec players to engage you. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:11:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Ganking is fighting without one parties consent last I checked. When was the last time you were ganked without being logged on and/or undocked? Pretty sure those things count as consent. Going to have to disagree. Placing oneself in a situation where something is possible and explicitly consenting to it happening are not mutually inclusive. Either way "Death of highsec PvP," would include this kind of activity. I don't consent to having CONCORD kill me after ganking someone, but it sure does happen every time. Yeah, from an eLawyer perspective you are probably correct. We all have to sign consent forms at some point in life. I am used to thinking of consent from a different set of theories: theories which would question the reasoning capacity of anyone who witheld consent in said situation. Ganking has 1 key difference from being ganked. The gankee, be it through chance, carelessness or poor judgement came to his fate through an outside influence they did not directly invoke. Gankers on the other hand have chosen their tools and target accordingly with the act they willingly committed knowing full well the consequences. In the case of a ganker the ship is the same as any other consumable commodity and just a part of the cost of doing business. I'm not sure how knowingly invoking the wrath of concord and the certainty of destruction it brings can be thought of as anything other than consent.
But it all boils down to semantics. No point in continuing to argue that anymore I guess. |
Zircon Dasher
117
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:14:00 -
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Dyniss wrote:You know some people are not into pvp in Eve. Some enjoy the industry/pve aspects of Eve. We all pay to play his game how we want. If its a persons goal to pvp there are many places to do this wormholes, low sec, null sec and war decs. Shooting a defenseless target is a cheap way to (I stress this) pvp. Now you will have to actually think before you act because now those who do follow the laws of empire space can now cast judgement on those who choose not to obey the laws of empire space. This will also give the phrase high security space an actual meaning now.
Some people farm defenseless red crosses. Some people farm defenseless white [ ]. Everyone has gotta make a buck somehow. vOv
Nothing really changes except that if you choose to do something shady, all those nuetrals you used to ignore because :highsec: are now revealed for the threats they always were. And this is why the change is good. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
319
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:17:00 -
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You carebears are insane if you think we won't adapt to these changes and continue to make your lives living hell. |
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