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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 28/10/2008 02:56:59
I'd like to get rid of all speed advantages my ships have now and trade them in for a reduced sig radius penalty fitting MWD's where appropriate for minny ships. (IE: Stabber, vaga, hyena, slasher, vigil, cyclone, typhoon, sabre, thrasher.)
Or whatever combo deemed appropriate.
If we have the lowest damage, tank, and agility, at least give us something to bank on after this patch.
Having multiple damage typesor capless weapons isn't useful if you die immediately. (There's a quote every patch dev should keep in mind when looking at minny.) |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:44:00 -
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no
sorry but that's silly, but I'm all for a decrease in all minmatar ships base sig radius. |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:46:00 -
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Leave my Typhoon, the only Minmatar BS which can actually fit a proper buffer + a damage mod, bloody well alone.
Or give it another torp bonus!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Leave my Typhoon, the only Minmatar BS which can actually fit a proper buffer + a damage mod, bloody well alone.
Or give it another torp bonus!
some day we'll fly the mighty fleet typhoon, and it shall hold 3 bonuses.
bonus to turrets
bonus to missles
and bonus to structure hp :P |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.28 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
no
sorry but that's silly, but I'm all for a decrease in all minmatar ships base sig radius.
I like that idea quite a lot.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.10.28 05:10:00 -
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It always mystified me why speed and agility would be the racial specialties of any race but the one with the shortest ranged weapons. Signature radius would make more sense to me, though to be honest with the state of ACs and Arties (and balance in general at the moment) it's difficult to say what should be done.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.28 07:01:00 -
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minmatar race bonus is to have smalest dps + fighting in fall off further reducing that lowest dps, lowest optimal of turets. Typhoon is good ebcouse it uses caldari and galante weapons^^ +neuts +rr. Worst thing is that in split weapons you lose bonus. Raven isuses misiels so it good flight + dps . Typhoon get ac rof and torp rof. Shouldnt it be something like ac rof+dmg and torp rof+range ? Acs on double bonused typphoon still do less damage thatn unbonused torps :/ |
Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.28 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 28/10/2008 07:18:35
fusion ammo does count for something. Most people fit 2x EANM II and 1x DC II for resists, so they leave a big explosive hole open. You can get the same damage as a pulse geddon with a tempest if you fit 800mm ACs with fusion against someone with an explosive hole, but only if you can get your Autocannons to optimal range =/. |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.28 09:52:00 -
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There is no need to such changes. At least on the armor tankers realm. The shield tankers of passive type have troubles now although. Since the LSE increases signature and makes speed tanking harder.
Take a tempest and go fight a raven. Use an AB and see how easy is to achieve a 30% or more damage reduction from the torps.
Maybe now that this stat is useful a few ships might be balanced using it. Make vaga signature a bit smaller to compensate the hug loss it had. Make cyclone a bit smaller to make it not suck.
But just little details.
And please CCp think about creating a module that reduces signature radius. Like a 10-15% reduction one for low slots. Otherwie you are just creating a tank strategy that cannto be followed unless you have a ragnarok in fleet ( askign peopel to fly with halos is less likely than the ragnarok even).
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If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Tnam
Caldari
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And please CCp think about creating a module that reduces signature radius. Like a 10-15% reduction one for low slots. Otherwie you are just creating a tank strategy that cannto be followed unless you have a ragnarok in fleet ( askign peopel to fly with halos is less likely than the ragnarok even).
The temptation would be to fit a Vaga with shield extender rigs and go for a larger buffer tank. This blows the sig up so big that any low slot module would be a drop in the ocean.
I don't really see the point in Vaga's after this patch, the speed is still really high compared to other cruisers but its hard to use the speed as a tank because of sig issues vs. missiles and lack of damage output while doing high speed. Fitting an AB to a Vaga is clearly pure suicide, it just doesn't have the tankability that it would need to fight at lower speeds. Best asset that it has is the ability to run from trouble. I'm over it already, bored of Vagas anyway :)
For the most part, HACs in general aren't good roaming ships after the patch anyway. Is anything though?
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sliver 0xD
exiles.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.28 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 28/10/2008 10:26:47
Originally by: Megan Maynard
(IE: Stabber, vaga, hyena, slasher, vigil, cyclone, typhoon, sabre, thrasher.)
LOL !!! check again ! phoon has already low sig! thats why nano phoons were so awsome.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.28 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tnam
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And please CCp think about creating a module that reduces signature radius. Like a 10-15% reduction one for low slots. Otherwie you are just creating a tank strategy that cannto be followed unless you have a ragnarok in fleet ( askign peopel to fly with halos is less likely than the ragnarok even).
The temptation would be to fit a Vaga with shield extender rigs and go for a larger buffer tank. This blows the sig up so big that any low slot module would be a drop in the ocean.
I don't really see the point in Vaga's after this patch, the speed is still really high compared to other cruisers but its hard to use the speed as a tank because of sig issues vs. missiles and lack of damage output while doing high speed. Fitting an AB to a Vaga is clearly pure suicide, it just doesn't have the tankability that it would need to fight at lower speeds. Best asset that it has is the ability to run from trouble. I'm over it already, bored of Vagas anyway :)
For the most part, HACs in general aren't good roaming ships after the patch anyway. Is anything though?
I almost killed a mael last night in a stabber fit with nos and AB with a small armor tank. I think the biggest problem with AB is the thought of getting back to a gate in 0.0, it just ain't happening.
Dunno, have to play more.
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