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Kalagonian	Posted - 2008.10.28 09:50:00 - [1] Ok I am in a tempest fitted wirh MWD, point web, armour tank and the lowest tier large T2 autos. I see 4 cruiers on a gate and decide to attack, one deimos, rupture, stabber and vexor. Bored and suicidal I warp in.. I primary the deimos and start pounding away.... but nothing. After a minute or so I go down without killing anything. Despite webs and maximum gunnery skills I simply cannot track any of the cruisers on my overview - at around 3-5km distance from me. Serious wtf is going on with projectiles these days..?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.28 09:58:00 - [2] Were you being tracking disrupted? There's a lot of variables involved but 425's should be able to track a webbed hac.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing	Posted - 2008.10.28 10:11:00 - [3] No tracking has been adjusted for a very very very long time, so you just outplayed. Projectiles still track very very well. /Riv
Karad Forsky Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.28 10:43:00 - [4] Did you web the Deimos and minimize transversal? Did you use RF EMP? (Not as relevant for tracking, but did you neut? )
SKINK0429 THE NDRANGHETA Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.10.28 11:07:00 - [5] Strange if the cruisers were webbed you should of made short order of them TBH! I always fit 2 heavy nuets in the highs incase i run into an Ishtar/Vaga.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.10.28 11:53:00 - [6] What about drones, did you use them? ----------------------
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:09:00 - [7] last I checked large ac's cant track a webbed cruiser orbiting at 500m unless you can move away from it.. goes for all large guns :) --------
Kalagonian	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Kalagonian on 28/10/2008 12:10:41 Edited by: Kalagonian on 28/10/2008 12:09:52 All effects were on and I saw no evidence of tracking distruption. I was using Bararge L though as it was all I had on me. I had a set of T2 drones, target was webbed 3-5km from me and my speed was zero as I was counter webbed by multiple crusiers. I had a large nuet on the target. I tried switching targets half way through the figt to the stabber and couldn't hit him either.
Axaeli Gallente Shadewraith Cargo and Industry	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:45:00 - [9] Well Barrage ammo has a 25% penalty to tracking and a 50% penalty to falloff, which didn't help you at all. I haven't bothered with the T2 ammo in a while, do penalties stack per weapon it's loaded into? If so, no way you'd track anything that way.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Axaeli Well Barrage ammo has a 25% penalty to tracking and a 50% penalty to falloff, which didn't help you at all. I haven't bothered with the T2 ammo in a while, do penalties stack per weapon it's loaded into? If so, no way you'd track anything that way. lol look again, Barrage actually boosts your falloff. And no the tracking penalty doesn't stack like that. ----------------------
Andracin Free Galactic Enterprises Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:55:00 - [11] I use 650 t2 large autos and have no problem dusting cruisers. I even get lucky on frigates once in awhlie. It has to be something other than the ship or the guns causing you problems. if they have a tracking disruptor with a script that can mess up your tracking...
Endel Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:18:00 - [12] You had more then 4 ships pounding at you, only they know if tracking disruptors were used. Projectiles still rock :) To make you happier, we killed that Deimos and the Rupture 5 minutes later. With projectiles, mainly ;)
Axaeli Gallente Shadewraith Cargo and Industry	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: Axaeli Well Barrage ammo has a 25% penalty to tracking and a 50% penalty to falloff, which didn't help you at all. I haven't bothered with the T2 ammo in a while, do penalties stack per weapon it's loaded into? If so, no way you'd track anything that way. lol look again, Barrage actually boosts your falloff. And no the tracking penalty doesn't stack like that. I don't use the stuff myself, was going by the "falloff modifier: -50" that shows in CCP's online database here. Should have known better :)
Guth Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:25:00 - [14] You made a bad choice in target order by going for the HAC first, I wouldve went vexor, stabbed rupture then Deimos last. Learning from your mistakes is the key here. ---------------- SIG ------------------ Factoid: Something fictitious that is presented as fact, devised especially to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition
Ranvaldy Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Ranvaldy on 28/10/2008 13:29:30 maybe the tracking penalty
pippan Gallente Synthetic Frontiers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:52:00 - [16] TD drones' ewar dont show up on neither the overview nor the ewar messeges (like ecm/remote eccm/target paint etc.) So maybe they had drones? Else they were just too close and taking advantage over your barrage. So stop crying noob.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:07:00 - [17] I really doubt large ac's with barrage going to track webbed cruisers close but I guess I have to check it.. --------
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:19:00 - [18] Deimos does 500-600 dps rupture can do 400-500 dps stabber does about 250 dps vexor does about 400 dps You were doomed from the get go MINIMUM you had 1500 dps on you. No way in hell you can kill something before you crash and burn to that.
Foruman Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Megan Maynard Deimos does 500-600 dps rupture can do 400-500 dps stabber does about 250 dps vexor does about 400 dps You were doomed from the get go MINIMUM you had 1500 dps on you. No way in hell you can kill something before you crash and burn to that. can do and do do are two different things, plus proper pest setup can kill them fast enough Have you been high today?
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Megan Maynard Deimos does 500-600 dps rupture can do 400-500 dps stabber does about 250 dps vexor does about 400 dps You were doomed from the get go MINIMUM you had 1500 dps on you. No way in hell you can kill something before you crash and burn to that. neuts on deimos and he wont do dps, primery vexor or rapture using faction ammo and drones.. should take them down fast unless they manage to get down under gun tracking.. if you arent webbed to 0m/s you can easy enough move away from the one you are shooting to get transversal down to hit.. but I know I orbited bs's at 500m in my huginn and they cant track :P and thats with 2 lse and beeing webbed.. then agen those guys might have sucked :P --------
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.10.28 16:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Megan Maynard Deimos does 500-600 dps rupture can do 400-500 dps stabber does about 250 dps vexor does about 400 dps You were doomed from the get go MINIMUM you had 1500 dps on you. No way in hell you can kill something before you crash and burn to that. 2 neuts 1 go in the deimos deimos out of fight then leave 1 at deimos and move other to the stabber. Primary the vexor. It will be dead in 15-25 seconds. Then you try finish the stabber. Re evaluate after that.. you still have enough tank left to deal with the rupture? if no de-agro and wait to jump. If yes finish it. the deimos will not be dealing any dps with 2 neuts on him. Of course if they are SKILLED pilots will be a very hard time, but MOST skilled pilots don't fly t1 cruisers :P (few exceptions)
phanthom chancer	Posted - 2008.10.28 17:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Megan Maynard Deimos does 500-600 dps rupture can do 400-500 dps stabber does about 250 dps vexor does about 400 dps You were doomed from the get go MINIMUM you had 1500 dps on you. No way in hell you can kill something before you crash and burn to that. Come on, give us Deimos pilots some credit. It's more like 600-750 dps.
Max Hardcase Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.28 19:44:00 - [23] Nobody in their right mind would use TD,TP or RSD drones, the stacking penalty means they are useless. ECM drones are the only usefull EW ones there are.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.28 19:49:00 - [24] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/10/2008 19:50:38 Fun fact: if you've got 3-4 webs on you and are in a BS, and are orbited at 500m, right now, on TQ, you're going to go down so bad ;) Also, Barrage L nerfs your tracking by 25%. Use RF EMP L up close in situations like that.

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