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Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:03:00 - [1] - Quote Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps. The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily. Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower. They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws. They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0). Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented. After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours. They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased. So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request. Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ?
Klown Walk Black Rebel Rifter Club 71	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:05:00 - [2] - Quote What stops you from doing it again once they pay?
Otto Weston DarK IntenTionZ Stop Exploding You Cowards 3	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:12:00 - [3] - Quote They probably also think that they'd notice reds coming into local and so dock up.... but until they see the reds, they'll continue doing what they're doing Everything's Air Droppable at least once.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 175	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:14:00 - [4] - Quote Because paying you 500m is an invite for everyone else to come wardec them. Its easier to just dock for a week and go back to doing whatever it was they do on their other toons. Begs believe why anyone would pay to avoid war when such a simple and easy to do thing such as dock can be done. I would totally dock up but remain logged in or even better be undocked cloaked in a safe spot, just so you can spend time looking for me. If of course I was an indy toon with no pvp skills.
Kira Vanachura Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:19:00 - [5] - Quote They will keep mining till the wardec is active. They might be waiting to join an alliance, so they can shake off your wardec.
Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:39:00 - [6] - Quote I know about the docking thing until we get bored of it, but considering it costs us around 4 mil a week to wardec them, we can keep the wardec going for ever. Now hey might be bold enough to go mine when there are no reds in local, but we could have neutrals watching them. BUT, most importantly, how much will it cost them to stay docked ? I am talking about opportunity costs. These guys mine a lot. They do only that (they are not bots though). Stop them from doing that for two weeks, I am guessing they will loose much more than 500 mil by not being able to do business.
Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:40:00 - [7] - Quote Klown Walk wrote: What stops you from doing it again once they pay? Bad for business not to. We tend to believe in honouring our agreements.
Patience Kyss Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:50:00 - [8] - Quote Well they can easily just drop corp leaving some ALT in there to keep it open and wait the war out that way, which is what a lot of Indy corps do when they get a wardec, otherwise they can just dock up and play ALTS or if your Corp is fairly small they can figure out when you are active and avoid playing at those times. In fairness most of these corps are used to this kind of thing and very rarely pay up wehn its so easy to avoid by dropping corp/moving to a new corp ect. ect.
Dutarro Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective 65	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:51:00 - [9] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: So why would you not pay in such case ? It's mostly because ransoms are almost never honored. Furthermore, even if you honor your ransom, the defender guesses that you'll tell all your pirate buddies that they paid up, and they'll be hit with a flurry of new dec's. Principle might also be involved. Someone who declares war on you is your enemy, and you don't willingly give money to your enemies. Quote: Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? It could just be denial. Also, wait and see what they do when the war actually goes active. You may be the ten bazillionth pirate corp to war dec them in the last month, so they are well practiced at squeezing every ISK out of those occasional moments of peace.
Katarina Reid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 160	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:55:00 - [10] - Quote They will all mass move to alt corp when war goes live. Unless they have a pos then why will changing corp matter. They can also mass quit corp to npc corp and just stay in a chat channel. Wars mean nothing til inferno.

Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 10:57:00 - [11] - Quote All right, well we'll see where it goes once the war dec goes active. I'll update here just fo details if I have questions. But in regards to honour, we don't fraternize with other pirates so we would not tell others to war dec them, and we would honour the ransom. I guess this is maybe becoming rare these days.
stup idity 4	Posted - 2012.04.03 11:15:00 - [12] - Quote The reasons they don't take you seriously are pretty obvious: - Much talk, no action. - No reputation to speak of. - All killboard information that can be easily found (battle-clinic, eve-kill and some alliance board that comes up when I google your corp name) make you look like big mouthed wannabe pirates without any relevant experience. I reign supreme.
Lady Ayeipsia Morskoj Industries 69	Posted - 2012.04.03 14:47:00 - [13] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: All right, well we'll see where it goes once the war dec goes active. I'll update here just fo details if I have questions. But in regards to honour, we don't fraternize with other pirates so we would not tell others to war dec them, and we would honour the ransom. I guess this is maybe becoming rare these days. You may say that, you may feel that way, you may believe it, it may even be true. However, what you believe doesn't matter here. It what your enemy believes. They probably view this as extortion. They will most likely not pay, shed your war dec in some manner described and be back to mining shortly. I know if you requested 500 mil from me, I would laugh in your face, dock up for the war, and enjoy the week off playing xbox. If the war lasted longer than a week, I would either drop corp, higher mercs, it keep playing the 360. It really all depends on the games available.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1275	Posted - 2012.04.03 15:55:00 - [14] - Quote I just did three minutes worth of intel work on your corp. This is what I found: You have just nine members. Of those, only 5 have any posted combat history at all. Only one of those 5 has a confirmed kill, and you got on that killmail by providing a HIC bubble and applying precisely zero damage. The few decent kills on your corp's killboards are by ex-members. You're barely a threat to a single miner. (edit: yes I'm being harsh. experience has taught me that gentle nudges don't work. I'm trying to save these guys from being embarassed by a bunch of miners in cruisers and BCs.) It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:01:00 - [15] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: I just did three minutes worth of intel work on your corp. This is what I found: You have just nine members. Of those, only 5 have any posted combat history at all. Only one of those 5 has a confirmed kill, and you got on that killmail by providing a HIC bubble and applying precisely zero damage. The few decent kills on your corp's killboards are by ex-members. You're barely a threat to a single miner. Well, there's that but then again there is context. We are all RL friends, and we have had a really tough time getting organized because of our respective jobs etc. The fact is that I am the one who played Eve, and I signed all of them up through the Xmas 60 day trial thing. They all love it, but as a small group it has been hard for me to provide them content. We set up a POS in low sec for a while, but it was hard for us to connect at the same time, so the little amount of operations we attempted failed miserably because of lack of people in the gang. Now, I think this high sec war dec thing might give a complete different result, and it offers a slightly safer environment for them to learn. Considering they are all brand new players with very low SP. So, on paper yes our results haven't been good, but we just need to find some active content to relate to. Initially my friends were not very eager to jump into the game straight by doing low sec or null sec, they followed me anyway but it was a pretty big mistake on my part. This might be what we need, and I think our killboard will soon reflect that, with the blood of all those industrial corps. But that's just my analysis. Others are welcome to their opinions.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1275	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:03:00 - [16] - Quote I expect you're going to learn first-hand what dec scraping looks like. If you guys want to go pirate, find a pirate corp that will help you get started. You'll get better fitting advice, learn hwo to play roles in a gang, all that good stuff. PVP is probably not something you want to try to tackle on your own. It's the one aspect of Eve that I sought outside help in learning. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Lady Ayeipsia Morskoj Industries 70	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:54:00 - [17] - Quote You should all join red vs blue and get some pvp practice. Give what has been posted, I would say no indy corp will view you as a true threat until you all are far more experienced.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 198	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:55:00 - [18] - Quote Camping AFK Miners on station does not a PVP'r make. *Sa souvraya niende misain ye.*
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 432	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:05:00 - [19] - Quote The behavior of industrialists during war is often extremely strange and you'll often have to destroy several billion isk in ships before anyone will even consider paying you. Usually they either don't believe you'll actually retract or if you do that you won't immediately declare war on them again or that they for some reason think that there is a secret society of wardec corps and that paying up will result in hundreds of incoming wars (which it actually won't) .
Kattshiro Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 38	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:16:00 - [20] - Quote Could be during the dec they all turtle and do nothing...

Alexandra Delarge The Korova 47	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:21:00 - [21] - Quote I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp.
Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:28:00 - [22] - Quote Alexandra Delarge wrote: I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp. Feels good bro.
Lady Ayeipsia Morskoj Industries 70	Posted - 2012.04.03 18:33:00 - [23] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: Alexandra Delarge wrote: I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp. Feels good bro. It's a trap!
Dead Loss Sweet Capsuleer Tears 27	Posted - 2012.04.03 19:08:00 - [24] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Dead Loss wrote: Alexandra Delarge wrote: I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp. Feels good bro. It's a trap! Oh noes !!!
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 89	Posted - 2012.04.03 20:15:00 - [25] - Quote My Corp never gets decced, what are we doing wrong? Unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Farley genocent Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2012.04.03 20:25:00 - [26] - Quote As mentioned, I think this is the reason they may not be taking you seriously. That or dec shield incoming. Before trying to ransom them, follow through on some of those decs and get some kills on the boards. Once they start feeling the pinch they may be more willing to negotiate, if not at least you improve your kb.
lanyaie 17	Posted - 2012.04.03 20:38:00 - [27] - Quote Please wardec. Christina trild. She scammed me oh please do and btw no it ofc isnt my alt and I..she has a pos set up in the heimatar region for t3 production I...she will see you soon. Hopefully I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you
TunkTunkAlt Kautsuo Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 08:55:00 - [28] - Quote This is a pretty ignorent post? You assume you are a amazing pirate? Watching someone means nothing, when the war starts don't be surprised if they don't undock in awesome ships and kick your sorry ass back to low sec or wherever your from. Very few toons don't have pvp skills, they will blob you to death. If not they can turtle. I highly doubt you will get over 1b in kills.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome 10	Posted - 2012.04.19 04:14:00 - [29] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps. The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily. Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower. They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws. They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0). Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented. After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours. They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased. So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request. Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ? Why would they pay? There is no reason for them to give you any isk. They can just swap corps for a week and keep mining. Fix this **** See Sea Pea.
Five Thirty School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2012.04.19 04:41:00 - [30] - Quote My god. You really need to get some more experience and better kills on your KB before you go around trying to extort what you think are helpless corps. What is important to understand is that Industrial / PvE type corporations get war declarations ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME. I mean seriously, a lot. Most of the time it's by small wannabe pirate corps that think that just because a corporation focuses on industry or missions means that they cannot defend themselves. Really, the only reason to dec an industrial corp is to pad your killboard, not to extort cash. A word of caution, the last time my corporation was war dec'd by some pirates, they lost about 15 ships the first day trying to gank our mission runners. I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship.

Garven Dreis Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 34	Posted - 2012.04.19 07:28:00 - [31] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship. And then you risk falling into the classic "trap" scenario where endless wave of Flashy Reds appear on grid after you aggress "lone pirate scum" on gate. And then you've got to hope that you can deaggress and rack off or they are firing the damage you are tanked for. In Manticore we Trust
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Exhale. 188	Posted - 2012.04.19 07:56:00 - [32] - Quote Theyre miners, theyll all just drop corp as soon as the dec starts since a miner has no real need to be in a player corp and continue doing what they do. Deccing mining/indy corps is little more than trolling. You know they wont fight, they know they can avoid the dec, no one gains anything.
0Lona 0ltor Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD. 22	Posted - 2012.04.19 10:40:00 - [33] - Quote Because they all ready have dec shielded and your war will be nullfied about 10 seconds after it goes live.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 76	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:58:00 - [34] - Quote 15 days since the last post and you dig this up? Why? Given that the op hasn't returned to boast of success I think we can all guess what happened.
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 204	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote If your going to ask for a payment then it would have to be something reasonable. Asking for 500mil when you are a brand new group is similar to the demands made by Somali pirates. To put it nicely, you don't have the experience or firepower to be a threat to their operations. Unless these guys are the same ones whining on the forums about suicide ganking they probably will have the common sense to dock up when some reds show up in their system. Plus, nothing is stopping them from simply moving to another corp if you do manage to disrupt their gameplay. Loyalty does not exist among hi-sec miners, those that befriended each other will simply move to the same corp together.
Maximum Troll Trollocalypse 0	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:31:00 - [36] - Quote Just gank them without a wardec. Why bother intiating a system that allows them to know when you're about? 1.) Buy Catalysts 2.) Collect tears 3.) Profit They can drop all of the corps they want, it won't help.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1075	Posted - 2012.04.20 13:54:00 - [37] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: A word of caution, the last time my corporation was war dec'd by some pirates, they lost about 15 ships the first day trying to gank our mission runners. I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship. I can demonstrate what a few heavy neuts does to your "mission ship" and it's tank, if you like? 800dps is completely meaningless if the other guy has 150k EHP of buffer and you have 40k and a tank module you can't cycle. Also in the other thread you stated that you refused to do any PVP ... so is this just a vicarious tale? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Five Thirty School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.04.20 15:18:00 - [38] - Quote I said I strongly avoided PvP, but I was caught stupidly in a mission due to me miscalculating the war start time.
Calfis The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 85	Posted - 2012.04.20 15:37:00 - [39] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: My Corp never gets decced, what are we doing wrong? Because your corp has a really shat name which you think is clever but is really not.
Schalac Apocalypse Reign 33	Posted - 2012.04.20 15:38:00 - [40] - Quote I do missions in fleets of 3-5 PvP ships and hope people try to crash them. They never do...

Reppyk The Black Shell 101	Posted - 2012.04.20 16:06:00 - [41] - Quote People have paid me billions to drop some of my wardecs (which I honored btw). And I'm on my own. You need to find the good, fat carebears.
Mara Villoso Big Box The Toy Box 65	Posted - 2012.04.20 18:00:00 - [42] - Quote Katarina Reid wrote: They will all mass move to alt corp when war goes live. Unless they have a pos then why will changing corp matter. They can also mass quit corp to npc corp and just stay in a chat channel. Wars mean nothing til inferno. And they won't mean anything then either. There is no reason to be in a corp except for POS use. POS users will just take down the POS for decs. There is nothing stopping anyone from just grouping up while in NPC corps or in a hundred tiny one man corps. There is little to no effective difference between the current state of affairs and post-Inferno, with the sole exception of POS owners not being able to keep a POS up while they alliance hop. edit: also, only idiots pay ransoms. Even if a ransomer keeps his word for that character/corp, his alt corp will go right ahead and kill you. Paying ransoms is a sign of weakness and stupidity.
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2012.04.20 20:45:00 - [43] - Quote Others have allready brought out the good and valid reasons they aint giving a flying **** about your decs. Id like to add that some people simply dont give into demands made by internet dickheads. Not to even mention that its like your trying to extort a casino owned by the mafia ... with just few normal working guys :D
Daemon Ceed Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 55	Posted - 2012.04.21 10:11:00 - [44] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: I just did three minutes worth of intel work on your corp. This is what I found: You have just nine members. Of those, only 5 have any posted combat history at all. Only one of those 5 has a confirmed kill, and you got on that killmail by providing a HIC bubble and applying precisely zero damage. The few decent kills on your corp's killboards are by ex-members. You're barely a threat to a single miner. Well, there's that but then again there is context. We are all RL friends, and we have had a really tough time getting organized because of our respective jobs etc. The fact is that I am the one who played Eve, and I signed all of them up through the Xmas 60 day trial thing. They all love it, but as a small group it has been hard for me to provide them content. We set up a POS in low sec for a while, but it was hard for us to connect at the same time, so the little amount of operations we attempted failed miserably because of lack of people in the gang. Now, I think this high sec war dec thing might give a complete different result, and it offers a slightly safer environment for them to learn. Considering they are all brand new players with very low SP. So, on paper yes our results haven't been good, but we just need to find some active content to relate to. Initially my friends were not very eager to jump into the game straight by doing low sec or null sec, they followed me anyway but it was a pretty big mistake on my part. This might be what we need, and I think our killboard will soon reflect that, with the blood of all those industrial corps. But that's just my analysis. Others are welcome to their opinions. Ah, so you're a bunch of disorganized ***hats that anyone's just gonna fold to you? Bro, I've done wardecs, and even those witha lengthy and very good killboard just get blueballed. Go out to lowsec, get some friggen kills, make a name for yourself, and then try wardec'ing ppl. The #1 reason that a lot of people don't pay extortion fees is because when the targeted victim puts up any sort of defense the wardeccer more times than not just stays docked up because he doesn't want to get killed by someone whom he perceives to be a carebear. Since you're very inexperienced at pvp, I encourage you to come to Carrou or Ignoitton for some lessons. Post with your main or GTFO!
uwai223 Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension 34	Posted - 2012.04.21 13:05:00 - [45] - Quote Your corp description alone discredits you "We call ourselves pirates but in reality we are massive carebears". No wonder nobody cares about you. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy!
Lord Meriak Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 7	Posted - 2012.04.21 15:59:00 - [46] - Quote Join faction warfare learn pvp get a good rep then you can start to grief other corps war decs ( is not being a pirate )
Kestrix UV Heavy Industries 20	Posted - 2012.04.23 05:44:00 - [47] - Quote The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp. As wardecs target corps not the players I don't know why miners creat corps as being in an NPC corp gives no drawbacks to mining just setup a private channel and have an unofficial corp going.
Reppyk The Black Shell 104	Posted - 2012.04.23 12:54:00 - [48] - Quote Kestrix wrote: The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp. UV Heavy Industries [UVHVY] Tax Rate 0.00 % Croleur III - Moon 1 - Republic Security Services Testing Facilities Shares 100000 Member Count 24
Kestrix UV Heavy Industries 20	Posted - 2012.04.23 15:36:00 - [49] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Kestrix wrote: The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp. UV Heavy Industries [UVHVY] Tax Rate 0.00 % Croleur III - Moon 1 - Republic Security Services Testing Facilities Shares 100000 Member Count 24 Who's a clever boy then?
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 535	Posted - 2012.04.24 01:56:00 - [50] - Quote i seriously hope the miners dock for week and sit in station and make you camp a station 23/7 with no kills, not even a look at the enemy.

Zyress Caldari Provisions Caldari State 60	Posted - 2012.04.24 20:36:00 - [51] - Quote They would have to be a bunch of serious wimps to pay a ransom to a nobody corp that has yet to do more than threaten them.
Gorinia Sanford Sons of Russ 6	Posted - 2012.04.25 00:07:00 - [52] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps. The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily. Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower. They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws. They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0). Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented. After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours. They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased. So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request. Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ? Perhaps they're having the same reaction I do to this kind of behavior, utter loathing. Yeah, I realize it's a video game and all that, but in the real world that's what we call extortion. Or the reason for their silence is perhaps they have been quietly talking to merc corps? Who knows.
Valkyrie D'ark Armed Resistance Movement 3	Posted - 2012.04.25 06:28:00 - [53] - Quote 1. 500m is a lot of ISK to ask for someone of your size. They can pay much less than that to Mercs to counterdec you 2. Paying ransom only invites more wardecs asking for more ransom 3. Don't assume you will do billions worth of damage to them when dec goes live. Live and see
Kazu'ul OMG PWNAGE 1	Posted - 2012.04.28 03:00:00 - [54] - Quote Speaking as a small-time PVE'er/POS owner/part-time 'carebear' - We've been dec'd many times, sometimes being offered a 'ransom' of as little as 50 mil. We have never paid, and never had our operations significantly interrupted. Out of principal, we do not pay ransoms, nor do we fight when the advantage is not on our side, much like you. If our station is camped, there's plenty of other games to play. If you decide to dec us, we have the choice of bringing down our POSs and waiting it out, or if you are dedicated, we just might go kick your ass, provided we can maneuver fights into our favor. As a solo(most of the time) or small-friend-count player, it's pointless to go fight when you know you will be out-xxxx'd. Why bother? Why reward bullies? We have alt accounts that can watch you, we do our research... if there's a possibility of win and QQ from a defensive side, we will take it. But there usually is not, prompting us to 'build walls' (read: use defensive tactics available to us) so as to not engage this bothersome crap. CCP changes that, and we shall see if it motivates us more to fight, or if we will simply go play Starcraft II and other games until the 'heat' goes away. Bottom line - wether or not you impinge upon our 'opportunity cost' - if the odds are not in our favor, we're much happier making a slight sacrifice to deny you QQ, because... well, if that needs explaining, you have no business asking.
Kalli Brixzat 17	Posted - 2012.04.28 06:25:00 - [55] - Quote Some time ago, a friend's corp was dec'd and they were blockaded in their station in hi-sec. Apparently, the CEO had a friend who ran a merc corp based nearby. They merc corp member joined the war-dec'd corp and came in "behind" the aggressor corp. A minute after the merc engaged, the dec'd corp undocked. I heard it was a bloodbath. Just an option if the aggressor cotp is being too passive of of moderate size/strength.
Dasola Rookies Empire Rookie Empire 14	Posted - 2012.04.28 12:15:00 - [56] - Quote Problem here is also that sometimes these industry corp gets tons of these deccks... Every PvP idiot thinks its good idea to try extort these fellows... After a while it gets boring. Everyone wanting few 100 mil to leave you alone.... What i learned in my past is this: Newer ever pay ransom, 9 out of 10 times theyre idiots that try the ice with sctick and newer follow up on threat. And those that actually go war and hunts you, theyre easy to avoid by dropping corp for a while... And sometimes you can turn things arround, they wardeck you and you go hunt them instead... When i used alt to lead one small indy corp, first thing i did when blackmail letter came was go in research mode, see how these people actually are.. Serious thing or usual clowns.. And then members wondered why corporation had warchest that was large.... If your hopeing your victims take you seriously, well you have to look serious, killboard with kills and indicator for active pvp engagements... Becouse any sane ceo will research you out the moment mail icon blinks.. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Pyotr Kamarovi EVE University Ivy League 4	Posted - 2012.04.28 15:53:00 - [57] - Quote Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers". Yeah, we ran level 4's and mined for the most part. We also fought them, outnumbered, outside our home station, killing more ships and causing more damage then they did, despite losing, podded their CEO and then completely disrupted the CEO when he tried to run an Incursion. We didn't see much of them again.... Moral of the story is, carebears can have teeth, and won't pay your silly ransom even if they don't jump corp.
Reppyk The Black Shell 117	Posted - 2012.04.28 18:18:00 - [58] - Quote Pyotr Kamarovi wrote: Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers". EVE university ?
Pyotr Kamarovi EVE University Ivy League 4	Posted - 2012.04.29 05:27:00 - [59] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Pyotr Kamarovi wrote: Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers". EVE university ? No, a different corporation, using E-UNI as an example would be pointless
Lucas Schuyler Mortis Noir. 19	Posted - 2012.05.01 20:34:00 - [60] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: Why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request. Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ? As has already been suggested... You could be one guy bluffing, why should they pay before you carry through on a threat? As far as not honoring it being bad for business, there are just as many people out there who would say E-Honor is a joke and deliberately break deals just for the lulz/tears... How can they which camp you are in? It is a game, if you want to shake them down, put some effort in!

Zyress Caldari Provisions Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.05.03 18:01:00 - [61] - Quote Maybe they have a little backbone and don't negotiate with terrorists
Achtung Waffle Nex quod Principatus SRS. 1	Posted - 2012.05.11 08:54:00 - [62] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: I just did three minutes worth of intel work on your corp. This is what I found: You have just nine members. Of those, only 5 have any posted combat history at all. Only one of those 5 has a confirmed kill, and you got on that killmail by providing a HIC bubble and applying precisely zero damage. The few decent kills on your corp's killboards are by ex-members. You're barely a threat to a single miner. Well, there's that but then again there is context. We are all RL friends, and we have had a really tough time getting organized because of our respective jobs etc. The fact is that I am the one who played Eve, and I signed all of them up through the Xmas 60 day trial thing. They all love it, but as a small group it has been hard for me to provide them content. We set up a POS in low sec for a while, but it was hard for us to connect at the same time, so the little amount of operations we attempted failed miserably because of lack of people in the gang. Now, I think this high sec war dec thing might give a complete different result, and it offers a slightly safer environment for them to learn. Considering they are all brand new players with very low SP. So, on paper yes our results haven't been good, but we just need to find some active content to relate to. Initially my friends were not very eager to jump into the game straight by doing low sec or null sec, they followed me anyway but it was a pretty big mistake on my part. This might be what we need, and I think our killboard will soon reflect that, with the blood of all those industrial corps. But that's just my analysis. Others are welcome to their opinions. Wah wah boo hoo. Join a real PVP corp.
Tora Bushido Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 37	Posted - 2012.05.11 13:17:00 - [63] - Quote Maybe they think you are bad persons . I would just send that 500M to us and we would handle it..... Like asking you for 1B to avoid a dec. Best defense is a good offense.... My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
Chimay Next Era Dawn 6	Posted - 2012.05.13 06:19:00 - [64] - Quote Dead Loss wrote: Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps. Sadly you can only have 3 active. Dead Loss The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily..[/quote wrote: [quote=So why would you not pay in such case ? Principles/ego. They plan to drop to NPC corp until the war is over. They have no intention of undocking, ever. They are visiting their Wormhole until the war is over.


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