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Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.16 23:52:00 -
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Slot prices have risen...
...in the station I'm looking at now, it's 13,200 per slot.
All the slots are still full.
In fact, everywhere I've looked - all the slots are still full.
The new prices; are they dynamic (e.g. will they continue to rise if demand is high - and how is demand measured by the game?) or are they fixed? is it simply that the prices of slots have been changed to a new level depending on the location of the station and those prices are static?
If this is so, then the slot problem is not solved. People can afford 13,200 just as well as they can afford 1,000. The low-rent slots will remain full because there is still no financial incentive to unrent them.
The solution must be that prices have no upper limit and they continue to rise until the increase in price suppresses demand to the point that the market clears.
Moreover, people have to travel to stations to unrent their slots. This is surely having a significant breaking influence on the release of slots.
Also, finally, is factory billing working? do people actually get billed? there seems to be some uncertainty on this matter.
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Callas
Edited by: Callas on 17/06/2003 00:03:08
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.06.17 00:17:00 -
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Afaik people do get billed, but you have to choose to pay the bill, and interest doesn't seem to be working. I still have a couple bills from a few days after release I haven't paid, and they're still the same amount they were then.
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Wulfnor
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Posted - 2003.06.17 02:10:00 -
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Let me know where you are Callas. Prices in my region, Lonetrek, have risen as high as 66,000. Slots have in fact been released.
I think, however, it might be some time before we see the full effect of the price change because it costs nothing to hang on to a slot and not pay the bill. Since there is no way to release remotely either the rentor will have to fly back or they will have to release automatically after a certain period of nonpayment.
I have had a factory release after 30 days of nonpayment but I am unclear why that happened. If this auto release is the way it is supposed to be then we shall have to wait for 30 days to see its full effect.
I am still more concerned about lab space than factory space. At least this is my view from Caldari space.
Edited by: Wulfnor on 17/06/2003 02:11:40 |
Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.17 09:18:00 -
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> Let me know where you are Callas. Prices in my
> region, Lonetrek, have risen as high as
> 66,000. Slots have in fact been released.
The obvious issue here is - what about slots where the rent remains low? they will still not be released.
Rent must increase or decrease as appropriate to demand; it cannot be a one-time adjustment which I think is what has happened - that simply does not work.
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Callas
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The Colonel
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Posted - 2003.06.17 09:49:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned there are issues with all station rented facilities. I have spent days looking for office factory and lab space for a newly formed corps. Getting all three in one space station is virtually impossible from what I can tell.
Travelling constantly visiting all stations searching for these facilities is becoming soul destroying.
A agree with the points raised here however, I would add making the number of facilities rented dependent on skill levels.
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Madcow
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Posted - 2003.06.17 11:42:00 -
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Or just go back like it in beta was unlimited slots.
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Teris Kender
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Posted - 2003.06.17 11:58:00 -
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Callas:
There must be something wrong with billing(and the info about them in the Corp Window). Bills WILL come up, but not when they should. I have factory slot bills that say they are due 5/22, etc. Since the info on your slots in the Corp Window doesn't work. I often have to fly back and forth just to make sure my slots are still there.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.17 11:59:00 -
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I havenŠt been billed cept 2 times for our labs and fabs. I think the billing engine is broken.
First rent, then 3 days after. Now 2 weeks without any bills :/
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Kessica
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Posted - 2003.06.17 12:21:00 -
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If you listen in on the trade channel, you will see many folks trying to sell off slots in various regions. All you need to do is simply to ask in that channel and Im sure someone will respond :)
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.17 12:25:00 -
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> If you listen in on the trade channel, you will
> see many folks trying to sell off slots in
> various regions.
For extortionate prices. I don't want to pay 300,000 ISK for a single factory slot!
Also, this doesn't resolve the office space issue. I don't know if it's possible to unrent office space. It's obvious how you unrent a slot, but I can see no way to unrent an office. Does anyone know how?
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Edited by: Callas on 17/06/2003 12:24:50
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.06.17 12:34:00 -
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Same as Shintai here:
I have been billed for my own factory and research slot, which I rented about a month ago, twice so far.
I released another factory slot and re-rented it for the corp about two weeks ago and it was only charged twice, too.
It's convenient but it needs fixing :/ If the Devs want to know the exact stations: yell and you'll get a bug-report - I won't post the positions in public though :P
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Scarye
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Posted - 2003.06.17 13:25:00 -
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The Answer?:
A non-use surcharge. The longer a factory sits rented, but unused the more the surcharge.
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2003.06.17 14:54:00 -
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For crying out loud, it's not that hard to figure out.
In the case of an independant player: Only allow as many slots as an individual can use.
In the case of a corporation: If a corp has a station manager that station manager can only rent as many slots as the staition manager can use in the station that they manage. It's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
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Thoir
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Posted - 2003.06.17 15:47:00 -
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Correct me if im wrong. IMO the problem is that Corps are unable to build stattions, and the current stations are managed by NPC's. Therefore there is really no controll on the price, nor the ability to cancel a rented slot due to non-payment since you can't manage a station which you dont own. My 2 isk's
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Scruluse
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Posted - 2003.06.17 15:59:00 -
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The fact that people are auctioning off 14 slots at a time in the trade channel and CCP is doing nothing about it is very concerning. This is leaving absolutely no room for growth in EVE which means it is going to have a very short shelf life. I was really hoping EVE was going to last a couple years.
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Posted - 2003.06.17 18:16:00 -
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Yesterday in Caldari space I docked at a station and every slot was empty. I said "OMFG every slot is empty!" When I clicked to rent one they cost close to 50k. I don't own any blueprints so I didn't buy a slot. I bet they are still there.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.17 20:18:00 -
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Yesterday in Caldari space I docked at a station and every slot was empty. I said "OMFG every slot is empty!" When I clicked to rent one they cost close to 50k. I don't own any blueprints so I didn't buy a slot. I bet they are still there.
The rent change is a bogus solution if it is not dynamic.
Players have vacated the extremely expensive slots (demand has dropped to zero) but the rents at those stations has not dropped in line with demand.
Players have moved out to the cheap stations - which despite being full or nearly full and indeed now in even greater demand due to the influx of new players who have vacated expensive slots, have not seen their rents increase.
Step up, CCP. You have to impliment a dynamic price system based on demand, in one form or another.
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Callas
Edited by: Callas on 17/06/2003 20:18:56
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