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DocMan	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:07:00 - [1] I have decided to buy a new char. I am new to the game but the main reason I want to buy a new char is to cut out the grind for raising standings with Agents, Research Agents and NPC Corporations. Just how much of a pain is it to grind standings for Agent and Research Agent from zero all the way to 5. How hard is it to get NPC corp standings up high enough for jump clones and POS anchoring? Assuming 1 had the skills and ISK to fly say a Marauder or Faction BS decently - how long would it take to do the above. I suppose what I am really asking is buy a less focused character with high standings or a more focused character that requires me to grind all the standings?
Kato Tun Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:12:00 - [2] I got to 8.0 with Brutor after power running level 3s in a hurricane in about a week or two. So really it doesn't take long if you have a bit of time to spare. I'd personally buy a more focused character and just grind standings, it will give you something to do too. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Erazar Caldari Imperii Fortuna	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:51:00 - [3] buying a char is the worse thing to do imo if your new to EVE. It has a steep learning curve compared to other mmorpg's. If you buy a char your basically throwing yourself in at the deepend with no clue how the game works! I agree grinding can be dull at times but it can also be fun if you join a corp & run mish's together etc, but most of all it will give you experiance. If you bought a char & jumped into a BS, chances are you will lose it pretty fast as you will be inexperianced with items/missions/ships & game physics overall! upto you mate, but if i were in your shoes, id start from scratch & enjoy the game & you will get satisfaction & feel much more of an accomplishment when you finally have the right skills to fly a BS with a good fit than you will if you just hand over some cash to buy a pimped up char :) in other mmorpgs a bought char is frowned upon & usually carrys the tag "noob" simply because when that person decides to group with people for quests (missions) they have no clue how to play there char & in turn they end up getting the whole group wiped be it pve or pvp! ..but in eve a wipe is ALOT more than just a resurrect! especially in L4+ missions where people will use ships & fits that cost ALOT to replace! jus my opinion ofc ^^
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:00:00 - [4] Getting standings is easily done, char of mine got over 9 standing by chaining a bunch of lvl 1's and 3's in a destroyer and BC. Apart from that since mistakes in EVE are quite costly, and you being new meaning you still have a ton of mistakes to make, 'cheating' your way up could prove to be full of frustration. MY advise would be to play the proper way, learn the game, make your own mistakes and meet people. If you want to buy a char don't put much emphasis on standings since you can raise those easily, focus on proper learning skills, ship/weapon skills of choice and good support skills.
DocMan	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:12:00 - [5] I was hoping that the issue of morality and pitfalls of char buying would not come up but since it has.... I do realise you are trying to offer good advice so this is not an attack on you - No offense intended, but I don't really care if people call me noob for buying a char - I play the game to please myself and not to impress others! - Give me some credit for some intelligence - I would not risk my brand new 1 billion isk fitted marauder on a difficult mission or low sec. I would start off with a cruiser on level 1 missions or high sec ratting and build up from there. - I would not group with others, nor join a corp where my actions effect others, until I was very comfortable with my character and skills. I would be very upset if my actions cost my friends expensive ships or implants so will not place myself (or them) in that position. - I HATE grinding, it is mindless and detracts from my enjoyment from the game. - Although I do realise low SP people can enjoy the game and there is a place for them - it takes YEARS to build up a character I can buy for a few hours of realtime money and effort. - I still have a noob character that I am building up slowly and enjoying the new experiences the game has to offer.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:22:00 - [6] So if you're gonns start off with small ships anyway, why not do it the normal route :) Also, you have to understand that EVE is not about missions or PVE in general (it could be for you, but the game itself isn't focussed on it) so you'll get bored out of your mind. And if your idea of EVE is to run missions you just created your own grind. If you only want to use it to anchor a POS then you really should be sure about the game mechanics regarding that since there's a lot more to it than just having high standings (afaik, I'm no POS monkey). So if it all checks out and you simply make the calculation that instead of 3 months to develop your char + 2 weeks of missioning, you'd rather pay x amount of RL cash then sure by all means, go for it. But to use it as a main character, I couldn't do that. Doesn't mean you should adhere to that ofcours,e it's a free world.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:21:00 - [7] Affinity is something you gain through growth, not money.
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:22:00 - [8] By the time your ready to do L4 missions, a new character would have enough standings to not need to grind standings. :)
Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Dyaven By the time your ready to do L4 missions, a new character would have enough standings to not need to grind standings. :) Indeed, even something as simple as lvl4 missions requires some skills in eve. Go buy a char and you might end up like the poor old Scius.
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Kato Tun I got to 8.0 with Brutor after power running level 3s in a hurricane in about a week or two. So really it doesn't take long if you have a bit of time to spare. I'd personally buy a more focused character and just grind standings, it will give you something to do too. in 4 days of running lvl 4's i have a 9.0 standing with thukker buy a command ship pilot, and since your new, im going to suspect you 1. sold gtc's, or 2. bought isk....
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:20:00 - [11] Originally by: DocMan Edited by: DocMan on 30/10/2008 16:19:45 I was hoping that the issue of morality and pitfalls of char buying would not come up but since it has.... I do realise people are trying to offer good advice so this is not an attack on you - No offense intended, but I don't really care if people call me noob or cheat for buying a char - I play the game to please myself and not to impress others! - Give me some credit for some intelligence - I would not risk my brand new 1 billion isk fitted marauder on a difficult mission or low sec. I would start off with a cruiser on level 1 missions or high sec ratting and build up from there. - I would not group with others, nor join a corp where my actions effect others, until I was very comfortable with my character and skills. I would be very upset if my actions cost my friends expensive ships or implants so will not place myself (or them) in that position. - I HATE grinding, it is mindless and detracts from my enjoyment from the game. - Although I do realise low SP people can enjoy the game and there is a place for them - it takes YEARS to build up a character I can buy for a few hours of realtime money and effort. - I still have a noob character that I am building up slowly and enjoying the new experiences the game has to offer. I will continue with this as long as it is fun (which it still is). - The whole process of Character and ISK buying is completely supported by CCP. It is an integral part of the game dynamic. The fact that it is frowned upon in other games is of very little relevance here because as we know EVE is a unique game. i grinded up 3 chars from noobs, its not that bad... your just lazy
Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Zurrar Originally by: Kato Tun I got to 8.0 with Brutor after power running level 3s in a hurricane in about a week or two. So really it doesn't take long if you have a bit of time to spare. I'd personally buy a more focused character and just grind standings, it will give you something to do too. in 4 days of running lvl 4's i have a 9.0 standing with thukker buy a command ship pilot, and since your new, im going to suspect you 1. sold gtc's, or 2. bought isk.... 3. wants to ebay..
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:57:00 - [13] buy a chr with isk that has the following done.. all learning to a decent lvl or maxed. small/medium/large racial turret to lvl V, maybe the turret related skills too or very least lvl 4 for related skills. ( gives you something to do what working on them ) racial frigate/cruiser/battle ship to lvl V. oh and fitting skills to lvl 5 would be nice too. plus cap skills too. and if youre a armour tanker armour tanking skilsl high as well. or if shield tanker. shield tanking skills hi as well. last but not least.. someone to show you the ropes of eve! after that.. grind up standings as you see fit. ikoban > i wonder how many idiots will name thier orca "free willy" ?
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:00:00 - [14] Originally by: DocMan Edited by: DocMan on 30/10/2008 16:19:45 - I HATE grinding, it is mindless and detracts from my enjoyment from the game. - Although I do realise low SP people can enjoy the game and there is a place for them - it takes YEARS to build up a character I can buy for a few hours of realtime money and effort. 60 day gtc = 500m isk give or take 50m isk. ( 35 usd ) to get a decent chr youre going to need around 2-3b isk easy. you will find they tend to fetch higher... do the sum it aint a few hours of real life money. happy grinding up 350 dollars plus lol.. ikoban > i wonder how many idiots will name thier orca "free willy" ?
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Lady Aja 60 day gtc = 500m isk give or take 50m isk. ( 35 usd ) to get a decent chr youre going to need around 2-3b isk easy. you will find they tend to fetch higher... do the sum it aint a few hours of real life money. happy grinding up 350 dollars plus lol.. lol@ assumptions of how much people earn.
DocMan	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Zurrar i grinded up 3 chars from noobs, its not that bad... your just lazy I work a 12 hour day - hardly lazy - I just know what is important to me, and grinding standings for weeks on end in a GAME is NOT important to me.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.30 20:03:00 - [17] If you want the skills - you can wait for the char to skill up itself or buy a character with the needed skills already. If you want the personal standings for agent access - you can slowly work for them, buy a character that already has them, or you can simply hire somebody else to grind the standings for you while you sit AFK in a station OR you can give up on the idea of "growing" your own datacores and just buying them off the market (since a character that's set up to produce them will most likely go for at least one year's worth of datacore production, if not more). If you want the standings for jumpclones - just join a corp that already HAS the needed standings (pay for the service, then exit the corp). If you want FACTION standings for a POS - just buy a "shell" company with the needed standings, anchor all the POSes you need, then no longer care what happens with the standings afterwards. For each and every one of the things you want, there are CHEAPER and FASTER alternatives that buying characters that can do all of that. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.30 20:36:00 - [18] Grinding for RL iskies is definitely much faster than grinding ISK in game. L4 mission grinders are working for around $1/hour or less using current GTC prices. That said, look at what Akita said. Also, POS management is nowhere near as much fun as it looks. Standings grind is not difficult, but it is mind numbing. You can grind up enough standings to get R&D agents in 20-40 hours, depending on availability of good quality combat agents or COSMOS agents in that corp. Couriers are better than combat missions for faction grinding.
V'gen Sey	Posted - 2008.10.30 20:39:00 - [19] I'd buy a character that has good skills for doing what I want to do with it in the game. Then pay someone else to grind whatever standings for me if I ever needed standings. But been playing for over 2 years now and haven't needed any standings yet. Anchoring POS requires that you have a corporation, not character, with 5+ faction standings. There are many people out there who did the grinding for you and would sell this kind of service rather cheaply. Jump clones can be bought for just 5 mil all you can get. Research agents will deliver you like 30-100 million ISK per month per character - they are quite low pay and don't even cover GTC costs any more. There are income sources in game that deliver like 4-5x better ISK than level 4 mission running. So yeah i still haven't figured out why i'd need a char with standings. My advice is play the game a bit more to find out what you really need. Right now sounds like you aren't certain of it and are looking to invest money into something you don't quite understand. Which could potentially mean you'll buy something you don't really need then you'll have to resell or invest more money, etc, more hassles, etc.
Farrqua Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.30 20:50:00 - [20] Originally by: DocMan Originally by: Zurrar i grinded up 3 chars from noobs, its not that bad... your just lazy I work a 12 hour day - hardly lazy - I just know what is important to me, and grinding standings for weeks on end in a GAME is NOT important to me. Then you are playing the wrong game. And a lot of us work long hours and have families etc. etc. You are not special. Well maybe short bus special. And who gives a flying **** whats important to you sunshine. Play the game or get out.
Nevenda'ar	Posted - 2008.10.30 21:38:00 - [21] To be honest, I'm still undecided on the whole issue of selling timecodes for isk. On one hand, if you can easily aquire hundreds of million isk ( or billion, for that matter) without putting any effort into it, I believe it ruins most fun from any game - the careful long term character planning and expencive ship setups that you have carefully tweaked lose any meaning, and what do you have left then? not much, imo... On the other hand, I absolutely detest any kind of mining, ratting or missioning activity (well, some are acceptable, like cosmos and exploration as there is some variety and thinking involved) - but you will have to drag me kicking and screaming in order to force me to do lvl 4 missions for example. All it is is shooting internet pixels - just mindless grinding, huge time sink, and I have sit at home for hours and pay ccp for this luxury? How many hours will it take to earn 600m by doing any of the above activities on ONE account (dont have multiple alts like some people here)? Sometimes I think it would be better to work for 2 more rl hours and just get the isk that way instead, then go blow it on small scale pvp with the extra time you have freed up. Now, before certain overzealous elements of eve community come running at me with pitchforks and torches, I will state that i never bought isk, or time codes, or anything of the kind - I dont even have alts (not even scouts). Luckily for me, I managed to build up a good base over the years and make more isk then most of you by simply reselling high end officer mods. But I can totally understand where people like DocMan are coming from. Doesnt mean i support buying characters, just saying I wont go screaming "GTFO you noobz, sit at home for hours like me or go back to WoW" or something like that. I believe that, if done in strict moderation, it is acceptable to occasionally buy a Gtc to get that faction fit toy - like once every few month or something like that. And btw, from the point of view of the buyer, buying isk for rl cash or buying gtc and later selling it for isk ingame is exactly the same ****ing thing - the difference is that in one case ccp makes money, in another someone else does. Other then that, the basics are the same...wont argue about it, just stating my opinion...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.30 22:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Nevenda'ar To be honest, I'm still undecided on the whole issue of selling timecodes for isk. On one hand, if you can easily aquire hundreds of million isk ( or billion, for that matter) without putting any effort into it, I believe it ruins most fun from any game - the careful long term character planning and expencive ship setups that you have carefully tweaked lose any meaning, and what do you have left then? not much, imo... Oh, I wouldn't say getting the ISK is without effort. BUT, luckily, in EVE, you get to pick what kind of effort you want to put in... the grind or the thought. Either way, there's a good deal of work involved in both cases, nobody makes billions of ISK without effort OR without great risk. Also, yeah, it does mean something even if you sell GTCs. When you can "pimp" your ship with 2000$ worth of gear and it all goes pop to a bunch of hundred mil ISK ships, that's GOT to hurt either way. Another good thing about EVE is that money (ISK or USD) in absence of experience and foresight means little to nothing, while decent experience and careful planning can turn the lack thereof into easy gaming. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
xhardxcorex	Posted - 2008.10.31 00:07:00 - [23] Originally by: DocMan I was hoping that the issue of morality and pitfalls of char buying would not come up but since it has.... - Give me some credit for some intelligence - I would not risk my brand new 1 billion isk fitted marauder on a difficult mission or low sec. I would start off with a cruiser on level 1 missions or high sec ratting and build up from there. It's a two way street man. Give us some credit for some intelligence too. Contrary to what most people will say, Eve Online does have experience. It's measured in ISK lost doing things you didn't know were stupid. We've all done it. Most of us are still doing it. I can remember losing my first destroyer. It was on the first level 2 agent I tried. I just happened to draw one of the very hard ones, but didn't know it. I got absolutely **d; popped in less than 15 seconds. I was ed. I had just spent over 95% of my total assets on a ship and to boot forgotten to insure it. Yes, this was an insanely noobish mistake. 15 minutes of light reading on the forums would have made this easily avoidable. My point is not the mistake itself, but the ease with which it was made and the consequences. You said: Originally by:** DocMan - No offense intended, but I don't really care if people call me noob or cheat for buying a char - I play the game to please myself and not to impress others! None taken at all and we understand that you want to play the game to please yourself. It's what we're all trying to do. However, you are stacking the odds against yourself in this by buying a character. This game is not forgiving. There is no net to catch you. Losing everything is a very real possibility. Originally by: Docman - The whole process of Character and ISK buying is completely supported by CCP. It is an integral part of the game dynamic. The fact that it is frowned upon in other games is of very little relevance here because as we know EVE is a unique game. Another integral part of Eve is griefing and scamming. It's a tax on people with more ISK than experience. The greater the difference between those two variables, the greater the amount taxed and the frequency with which the tax is imposed. But of course... it's your money/time.
Undertow Latheus	Posted - 2008.10.31 00:32:00 - [24] I'm not gonna call you a noob for wanting to buy a char, but buying a char takes away the satisfaction that you get from all those months of training culminating in you being the awesome pilot that you are and it'd be like a noob in a pro's body lol :P
SCAM CEO Minmatar S.C.A.M.	Posted - 2008.10.31 00:36:00 - [25] Make your own character and build it from scratch yourself, really this is the best advise anyone could give you otherwise ................. Eat your own pie white man from town.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.31 03:33:00 - [26] Having the good character and the poor standings gives you a chance to get your feet wet, learning the game as you grind. But.. why are you buying a character to grind ISK? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
DocMan	Posted - 2008.10.31 08:30:00 - [27] Besides the few obvious troll posts, most people are making very good points. Many of the points raised I have also been considering myself, one of the most important being will I be losing the satisfaction of building up my own character from scratch? There is a sense of accomplishment in doing this and in my opinion is one of if not, the most important reason as to why I play this or any game. So, to be totally honest: I just don't know. By buying a character there is no doubt I will be losing a large portion of satisfaction to be had by building up a character from nothing to having the skills and presumably the experience that went along in getting to that same point. My reasoning has been that EVE is a complicated game with many different facets to it and specialized character builds. It is impossible to be good in every aspect of EVE, and hard just to be a master of 1. There are several different ways to go about this that come to mind: - Just decide up front which area to specialize in and stick to it. - Start out in 1 area and simply change skills as your interest change. Of course you will be starting close to the bottom each time you do this. - Have several accounts and alts each specializing in a different area. An expensive route to go. - Buy an account with the skills already completed in an area that interests you. Also an expensive route. - Ghost Training - now no longer an option ofc. The problem gets even harder when you consider that even in each main area there are generally several sub areas. For example if one decides that PvP is fun there are many different routes to go - each with many unique skill sets that are required. So just how does one approach this? I don't know. Maybe buying a character is not the right thing to do, but it is what I have decided to do. At the end of the day it is something I would not prefer to do but until CCP allows multiple training on 1 account or 1 char it is my answer to try to experience more than 1 aspect of the game in any sort of reasonable time frame.

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