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Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:25:42 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:24:10 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:23:30 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:21:17 Research has approximately 20 skills associated with it. Its a big investment and a key part of the game. But currently, despite there being a limit of 6 on the maximum research you cna do - there is nothing preventing one person from booking out as many lab slots as they like. Its so stupid. So that entire aspect of the game is made worthless because every lab slot in the game is booked out. WHATS THE POINT????? So now only option is to pay extortionate fees to a lab slot hoarder - approx 10million and there is no garauntee that you will get anything in return. Or camp a station. Basically pay 15 euro a month (30 in my case) to sit in a station and wait for it to become free. HOW IS THIS even remotely fun. You people spend all you time fixing non-issues, resulting in severe system stability - basically making a good game unstable and yet leave key aspects of the game messed up. Sort out your priorities. PS: Sorry about the earlier title. I am just so tired. Been hoping all over the galaxy looking for a free slot. So weary of seeing every station with "rented out" sign...... I really want to get into research but am locked out.
Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:25:42 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:24:10 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:23:30 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:21:17 Research has approximately 20 skills associated with it. Its a big investment and a key part of the game. But currently, despite there being a limit of 6 on the maximum research you cna do - there is nothing preventing one person from booking out as many lab slots as they like. Its so stupid. So that entire aspect of the game is made worthless because every lab slot in the game is booked out. WHATS THE POINT????? So now only option is to pay extortionate fees to a lab slot hoarder - approx 10million and there is no garauntee that you will get anything in return. Or camp a station. Basically pay 15 euro a month (30 in my case) to sit in a station and wait for it to become free. HOW IS THIS even remotely fun. You people spend all you time fixing non-issues, resulting in severe system stability - basically making a good game unstable and yet leave key aspects of the game messed up. Sort out your priorities. PS: Sorry about the earlier title. I am just so tired. Been hoping all over the galaxy looking for a free slot. So weary of seeing every station with "rented out" sign...... I really want to get into research but am locked out.
AtomicFishStick	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:16:00 - [3] Edited by: AtomicFishStick on 03/07/2004 08:22:17 Haha at the name of this thread =). edit- now it's not funny =(.
AtomicFishStick	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:16:00 - [4] Edited by: AtomicFishStick on 03/07/2004 08:22:17 Haha at the name of this thread =). edit- now it's not funny =(.
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:21:00 - [5] Couldn't agree more ------------------------------ <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:21:00 - [6] Couldn't agree more ------------------------------ <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Vardemis	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:51:00 - [7] Well, if you are really looking for labslots you can fin them. But for the public systems, just think about the player base that is looking for labslots. If they would be to easily available, there wouldnt be reason for them anymore, cause everyone could have them.
Vardemis	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:51:00 - [8] Well, if you are really looking for labslots you can fin them. But for the public systems, just think about the player base that is looking for labslots. If they would be to easily available, there wouldnt be reason for them anymore, cause everyone could have them.
Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 09:12:25 "If they would be to easily available, there wouldnt be reason for them anymore, cause everyone could have them." So the reason for having them is to hoarde as many as you can and stop other from accessing a key part of the game??? Those 20 research skills and the time spent adding the whole research feature to the game was a waste of time? Let me see if I can piece this together.. The game limits number of lab slots you can use to 6, buts its perfectly ok to allow one person to book out as many slots as they like? That one person can book out an entire constellation for 1000isk a piece then turn around and charge 10Million to gain access to it is ok? Its a bit like walking into a public libarary - renting out every book in there then sitting outside charging people to use it - even though its not your library, you didnt build it, you cimply rented out every book. Guess what genius - no sane libaray on earth allows this to happen. They do 3 things: 1) limit the number of books you can rent. 2) Put a time limit on the books you have rented. 3) If someone else orders the book - you cant re-order it yourself, you have to pass it onto the next person in the queue. As stations are pbulicly held places the above system needs to be implemented. Otherwise its a joke.
Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 09:12:25 "If they would be to easily available, there wouldnt be reason for them anymore, cause everyone could have them." So the reason for having them is to hoarde as many as you can and stop other from accessing a key part of the game??? Those 20 research skills and the time spent adding the whole research feature to the game was a waste of time? Let me see if I can piece this together.. The game limits number of lab slots you can use to 6, buts its perfectly ok to allow one person to book out as many slots as they like? That one person can book out an entire constellation for 1000isk a piece then turn around and charge 10Million to gain access to it is ok? Its a bit like walking into a public libarary - renting out every book in there then sitting outside charging people to use it - even though its not your library, you didnt build it, you cimply rented out every book. Guess what genius - no sane libaray on earth allows this to happen. They do 3 things: 1) limit the number of books you can rent. 2) Put a time limit on the books you have rented. 3) If someone else orders the book - you cant re-order it yourself, you have to pass it onto the next person in the queue. As stations are pbulicly held places the above system needs to be implemented. Otherwise its a joke.
Helmut 314	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:28:00 - [11] I agree that labslots are a problem. The main solution is patience and looking outside the most popular systems. Most labslots and factories in "desirable" locations are held by big corps, lucky bastards or people with too much money. And there is a mechanism that somewhat prevents hoarding, if you dont use the slot within a set time it automatically unrents. In a way the lab/factory/office situation is analogous to the RL downtown property situation in many cities. You pay a premium to have a nice adress for your corp. If you are content with a industrial zone or a rural area labs, offices and factories are less of a problem. The sad part is of course that no new stations are being built or expanded so the number of offices/labs/factories is constant. Thats the real problem, there is a missing market force to balance the "downtown" effect. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Helmut 314	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:28:00 - [12] I agree that labslots are a problem. The main solution is patience and looking outside the most popular systems. Most labslots and factories in "desirable" locations are held by big corps, lucky bastards or people with too much money. And there is a mechanism that somewhat prevents hoarding, if you dont use the slot within a set time it automatically unrents. In a way the lab/factory/office situation is analogous to the RL downtown property situation in many cities. You pay a premium to have a nice adress for your corp. If you are content with a industrial zone or a rural area labs, offices and factories are less of a problem. The sad part is of course that no new stations are being built or expanded so the number of offices/labs/factories is constant. Thats the real problem, there is a missing market force to balance the "downtown" effect. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:58:00 - [13] I too look forward to the day I can rent a lab slot, I must have forgotten to stand in line the day they were all handed out or something. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.07.03 09:58:00 - [14] I too look forward to the day I can rent a lab slot, I must have forgotten to stand in line the day they were all handed out or something. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Falbala	Posted - 2004.07.03 10:00:00 - [15] I have 6 slots in Luminaire, no problems getting them for free. Actually there is a war on BPC prices in escrow so if you want slots to engage price war too it won't be a good idea. When I see ME3000 BPCs I think some people have too many slots.
Falbala	Posted - 2004.07.03 10:00:00 - [16] I have 6 slots in Luminaire, no problems getting them for free. Actually there is a war on BPC prices in escrow so if you want slots to engage price war too it won't be a good idea. When I see ME3000 BPCs I think some people have too many slots.
Sedulous Amanii	Posted - 2004.07.03 10:20:00 - [17] I find that I have to wholeheartedly agree with Kouleu the lab situation is now ridiculous and it does cut off an entire portion of the game. I visited every station with a lab in the Ammar Empire one night last week and found only one lab slot, one lab slot out of how many hundreds?! and that was so far out of the way as to make it useless for my purposes. Your library analogy is entirely correct it is like renting all the books and charging people at the door, but I'm prepared to roll with the punches. Perhaps some people want to be real estate brokers I mean not everyone can be in this with a view to blatant profiteering can they?! . If CCP want lab slots to be a commodity they should implement a way to advertise them in station (market?) and a way to transfer them in a secure manner between sellers and buyers. Then we can talk about commodity trading, but the current situation is a farce.
Sedulous Amanii	Posted - 2004.07.03 10:20:00 - [18] I find that I have to wholeheartedly agree with Kouleu the lab situation is now ridiculous and it does cut off an entire portion of the game. I visited every station with a lab in the Ammar Empire one night last week and found only one lab slot, one lab slot out of how many hundreds?! and that was so far out of the way as to make it useless for my purposes. Your library analogy is entirely correct it is like renting all the books and charging people at the door, but I'm prepared to roll with the punches. Perhaps some people want to be real estate brokers I mean not everyone can be in this with a view to blatant profiteering can they?! . If CCP want lab slots to be a commodity they should implement a way to advertise them in station (market?) and a way to transfer them in a secure manner between sellers and buyers. Then we can talk about commodity trading, but the current situation is a farce.
Evona Moucrou	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 03/07/2004 11:48:13 You can still click rent office, lab, factory when there are none available, for price testing: noob station, 1 factory slot: rent 80k factory station 1 factory slot: 25k any station, 1 corp office: 10k lab station, 1 lab slot: 1k .. ?! I cannot comment if there are any additional costs or not, cause there's no lab slots free, but.. 1k looks a little low. I do have mass production, so I can operate 3 factory lots. I usually have 2 or 3 of them, and there regularly are additional slots free at the station. Yet I still get a mail every once in a while, "you did not use your factory slot, it was unrented from you". There is already a dev blog about the factory and lab slot situation though, Upcoming Change to Facility Pricing (scroll down a lot, is from 2004.06.02)
Evona Moucrou	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:46:00 - [20] Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 03/07/2004 11:48:13 You can still click rent office, lab, factory when there are none available, for price testing: noob station, 1 factory slot: rent 80k factory station 1 factory slot: 25k any station, 1 corp office: 10k lab station, 1 lab slot: 1k .. ?! I cannot comment if there are any additional costs or not, cause there's no lab slots free, but.. 1k looks a little low. I do have mass production, so I can operate 3 factory lots. I usually have 2 or 3 of them, and there regularly are additional slots free at the station. Yet I still get a mail every once in a while, "you did not use your factory slot, it was unrented from you". There is already a dev blog about the factory and lab slot situation though, Upcoming Change to Facility Pricing (scroll down a lot, is from 2004.06.02)
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:56:00 - [21] I will tell you what i tell everyone who complains about lab slots: If everyone used lab slots all the time then there would be no need for the market, people would just make their own items all the time by getting access to blueprints then optimising them. Also: no one is forcing you to do research, you can always do what i do, focus on other skills and buy the bpcs off other people. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:56:00 - [22] I will tell you what i tell everyone who complains about lab slots: If everyone used lab slots all the time then there would be no need for the market, people would just make their own items all the time by getting access to blueprints then optimising them. Also: no one is forcing you to do research, you can always do what i do, focus on other skills and buy the bpcs off other people. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Galk	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:25:00 - [23] Thats a little hard there. There will be those that created players before they jumped into the game, with high mem and intel for building and research related skills. And the original poster is dead right, thats something i hadn't thought about before, there is a large investment in skill time to make these things work for you. Myself, iv'e a 2nd player which is good in building and researching, but im unable to use his abilty because i don't have any slots. My scorp bp finaly got into research last week, after 2 weeks of waiting, and my mate doesn't have a free lab slot clear for 21 days, so my megathron bp isn't going to see any research me anytime soon These bp's are for nothing but personal building use, i want ME levels for nothing more then reducing mineral cost for me to mine. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Galk	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:25:00 - [24] Thats a little hard there. There will be those that created players before they jumped into the game, with high mem and intel for building and research related skills. And the original poster is dead right, thats something i hadn't thought about before, there is a large investment in skill time to make these things work for you. Myself, iv'e a 2nd player which is good in building and researching, but im unable to use his abilty because i don't have any slots. My scorp bp finaly got into research last week, after 2 weeks of waiting, and my mate doesn't have a free lab slot clear for 21 days, so my megathron bp isn't going to see any research me anytime soon These bp's are for nothing but personal building use, i want ME levels for nothing more then reducing mineral cost for me to mine. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Kouleu Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:25:42 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:24:10 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:23:30 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:21:17 Research has approximately 20 skills associated with it. Its a big investment and a key part of the game. But currently, despite there being a limit of 6 on the maximum research you cna do - there is nothing preventing one person from booking out as many lab slots as they like. Its so stupid. So that entire aspect of the game is made worthless because every lab slot in the game is booked out. WHATS THE POINT????? So now only option is to pay extortionate fees to a lab slot hoarder - approx 10million and there is no garauntee that you will get anything in return. Or camp a station. Basically pay 15 euro a month (30 in my case) to sit in a station and wait for it to become free. HOW IS THIS even remotely fun. You people spend all you time fixing non-issues, resulting in severe system stability - basically making a good game unstable and yet leave key aspects of the game messed up. Sort out your priorities. PS: Sorry about the earlier title. I am just so tired. Been hoping all over the galaxy looking for a free slot. So weary of seeing every station with "rented out" sign...... I really want to get into research but am locked out. How about accept the fact that not everyone can have labslots at the same place? Highway systems is crowded, that is just the fact of life. If you go a bit outside the highway you can find labslots. Our corp did that and we litterary have tied up almost all lab slots on a station, although we have 4 full time researchers with maxed skills as well. It wasnt a big problem for us to aquire these slots. The availability of labslots isnt so much as a problem as for the willingness of players to spread out a bit and move. Imagine. 1000 different researchers want to build just their lab at a spesific spot. That just wont work. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Kouleu Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:25:42 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:24:10 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:23:30 Edited by: Kouleu on 03/07/2004 08:21:17 Research has approximately 20 skills associated with it. Its a big investment and a key part of the game. But currently, despite there being a limit of 6 on the maximum research you cna do - there is nothing preventing one person from booking out as many lab slots as they like. Its so stupid. So that entire aspect of the game is made worthless because every lab slot in the game is booked out. WHATS THE POINT????? So now only option is to pay extortionate fees to a lab slot hoarder - approx 10million and there is no garauntee that you will get anything in return. Or camp a station. Basically pay 15 euro a month (30 in my case) to sit in a station and wait for it to become free. HOW IS THIS even remotely fun. You people spend all you time fixing non-issues, resulting in severe system stability - basically making a good game unstable and yet leave key aspects of the game messed up. Sort out your priorities. PS: Sorry about the earlier title. I am just so tired. Been hoping all over the galaxy looking for a free slot. So weary of seeing every station with "rented out" sign...... I really want to get into research but am locked out. How about accept the fact that not everyone can have labslots at the same place? Highway systems is crowded, that is just the fact of life. If you go a bit outside the highway you can find labslots. Our corp did that and we litterary have tied up almost all lab slots on a station, although we have 4 full time researchers with maxed skills as well. It wasnt a big problem for us to aquire these slots. The availability of labslots isnt so much as a problem as for the willingness of players to spread out a bit and move. Imagine. 1000 different researchers want to build just their lab at a spesific spot. That just wont work. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:14:00 - [27] Hmm maybe Ididnt make myself clear... I spent 8 hours hoping around all over the galaxy in a shuttle looking for a lab. I specifically went to uncrowded space. I was and am willing to take any old space station with a free lab slot. guess what? there wasnt any. I visited close 40-50 stations in spaces often with 1 or 2 people in space/bases - not a single damn lab slot. Compare this with manufacturing - where production facilties are available anywhere. I think your post drives home the underlying reason. One person can tie up a whole station worth of labs because there is no limit on how many you can book out. This is what I would like changed. Capiche?
Kouleu	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:14:00 - [28] Hmm maybe Ididnt make myself clear... I spent 8 hours hoping around all over the galaxy in a shuttle looking for a lab. I specifically went to uncrowded space. I was and am willing to take any old space station with a free lab slot. guess what? there wasnt any. I visited close 40-50 stations in spaces often with 1 or 2 people in space/bases - not a single damn lab slot. Compare this with manufacturing - where production facilties are available anywhere. I think your post drives home the underlying reason. One person can tie up a whole station worth of labs because there is no limit on how many you can book out. This is what I would like changed. Capiche?
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:24:00 - [29] Its pretty easy to find labs, and yes it requires you to zoom around the universe for about a week, everyday, the entire day. A guy in my corp managed to find 4 labs doing so... Stuff dont come for free... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.03 13:24:00 - [30] Its pretty easy to find labs, and yes it requires you to zoom around the universe for about a week, everyday, the entire day. A guy in my corp managed to find 4 labs doing so... Stuff dont come for free... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

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