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Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:11:00 - [1] Look, my previous post about sentry guns was a 'whine' post. It was to prove a point between a whine and constructive criticism. It was funny though to get you people all round up. On a more serious note I want to discuss something important, something again, I do want changed. I know sentry guns will never be removed, because well carebears have a louder voice than pirates. One thing that gets me though is this. 15 minute criminal flagging after each shot is made. Thats not the end of it though, you have to go sit in a location, for 15 minutes and do nothing to get rid of the CF (Criminal Flagging). Thats not the end of it either. Its bugged, I usually dock when I shoot someone because its to dangerous for a lonewolf pilot like myself to travel with Cf, so I dock for 15 minutes. I undock, I still get shot at by station sentries, and it resets the timer again, so REALLY, I have to sit in a station, do nothing for 25 minutes, just to make sure criminal flagging gets off me. Thats not how you play a game. We are forced to hunt people down, in belts, safe spots, whatever, or choose to camp a gate, which risk vs reward is highly against us. But I just want to share one of the main reasons I don't play this game or I get discouraged to play, is the 25 minute Criminal flagging time, which is and has been bugged since it was released. Im not just speaking for myself, see, I can tank the sentries, I can travel with CF on.But the point is, what about the year old characters, that fly tech 1 ships or what not? They totally get pwned by sentries. Criminal flagging is just another nerf to piracy and piracy has always been the crap profession in the game, the bottom of the list. Here are the list of nerfs that have been put in over the past. - Security Status (Cannot enter .5 and higher, big travel nerf for outlaws) - Sentry guns at key locations, not every gate. - Sentry guns at every gate. - Key locations made to high sec space such as, what was it, Sarum Prime. - Criminal Flagging - Sentry gun Damage buff All im asking is, there are enough nerfs in the game already towards pirates. The biggest thing that gets to me is that I have to sit in a spot for 20 minutes, NOT MOVE, or it resets, to get ride of it or Ill have this huge disadvantage on me and my gang. Thats no way to play a game. "O you shoot some one you have to siit still for 20 minutes and not play". Thats crap mechanics. My suggestions - Remove criminal flagging, we are here to play the game, not sit in a spot because we shot some one - Keep CF, just reduce the time in half or at most 5 minutes (come on thats reasonable). - Keep CF, but limit it to that system and that system alone. Those that post whine comments and do not post constructive responses are going to get reported and im well known for sending in the most petitions in the game for harrasment, so don't try it . Teamspeak Rumble Recording! Vote for homepage
Jessica Hoothra Caldari Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:13:00 - [2] No-one's forcing you to shoot others
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:15:00 - [3] Honestly your previous topic was less troll than this one
Aphoticus	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:17:00 - [4] Is it that simple? 'Remove criminal flags.' What are the ramifications of that? What would be the broad sweeping affects of the flag removal?
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:18:00 - [5] I like the idea of making it 5 minutes, and or at the very least, fixing the buggy timer to be begin with. Nothing quite matches the letdown of engaging a stabbed up HAC and watching him flee...then waiting 15 minutes to be able to play again. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Aerlina Meirion	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Aphoticus What are the ramifications of that? What would be the broad sweeping affects of the flag removal? You think he cares in the slightest, as long as he gets to shoot what he wants when he wants?
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:37:00 - [7] I agree with Tank, as a fellow pirate GCC's are not working as intended. 1. They reset if a sentry engages you, if they reset it should be soley for shooting. 2. They are too long, its a royal pain for a roaming gang. Sentries are fine as is, you have to adapt to pvp under them, but thats EVE. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:40:00 - [8] The biggest thing that gets to me is that I have to sit in a spot for 20 minutes, NOT MOVE, or it resets, to get ride of it or Ill have this huge disadvantage on me and my gang. Thats no way to play a game. "O you shoot some one you have to siit still for 20 minutes and not play". Thats crap mechanics. Still, gives you time to hit the forums eh? Originally by: Tank CEO Remove criminal flagging, we are here to play the game, not sit in a spot because we shot some one It's a pain, but it goes with the turf. Originally by: Tank CEO Keep CF, just reduce the time in half or at most 5 minutes (come on thats reasonable). Don't really see the harm in that. Originally by: Tank CEO Keep CF, but limit it to that system and that system alone. As long as you can't use jumpgates, yeah. Originally by: Tank CEO Those that post whine comments and do not post constructive responses are going to get reported and im well known for sending in the most petitions in the game for harrasment, so don't try it . My petitions bigger than yours? I really am now beginning to agree with some of the other posts. You really are a bit of a whiner now. Who posts stuff like that? Even for a joke..
Kao Lei	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:03:00 - [9] What annoys me more is that when you're repping an outlaw that does not have any global crim counter at the moment you rep him, you do get one and the sentries start to shoot you. I agree you should get the same global crim counter when you're repping someone who has a GCC, but not when he doesn't have one. Heck, give the repper the same flag as the outlaw (so the repper becomes outlaw too for 15 mins), but don't give him a GCC.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:11:00 - [10] you know what grinds my gears? when people buy accounts just to troll with them. -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Lysianna Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:12:00 - [11] IÆm not a pirate and I have suffered the same fate as anyone else. The best example is when a fleet jumps in to break a gate camp set by pirates or enemie alliances. Sadly, if you jump in and youÆre the first one to shoot, youÆre the one that gets a CF. Then yep, 15 to 30 minutes of doing nothing in the system until things settle down. Seriously, I can understand the CF but anyone that has a brain will just fly off to a safe spot and wait in which case is a pretty big time waster. 5 minutes would make it good. Or how about lowering the timer based on the security status of the system. ________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:39:00 - [12] 15 minutes of waiting is fun gameplay. At least you can troll the forums while you're waiting off GCC though. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/11/2008 21:49:20 Originally by: Tank CEO stuff 1. No one is forcing you to shoot 2. No one is forcing you to be an outlaw 3. No one is forcing you to go hide for 25 minutes If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Also, this post of your is even more of a troll post then your sentry gun post. So you fail miserably! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:54:00 - [14] ITT: TankCEO pining away for the days of yore and m0o. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:10:00 - [15] I don't see any problem with GCC. You don't have to dock either, sit in a safespot aligned to another safespot and unless you get probed out by some really good recon pilot you won't get caught. Getting shot by sentries and docking doesn't renew the GCC either it renews the timer with the owner of the station or the local Navy. _______________
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/11/2008 21:49:20 Originally by: Tank CEO stuff 1. No one is forcing you to shoot 2. No one is forcing you to be an outlaw 3. No one is forcing you to go hide for 25 minutes If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Also, this post of your is even more of a troll post then your sentry gun post. So you fail miserably! Just like this: 1. No one forced you to go into low sec 2. No one forced you to ignore the risks when going into low sec 3. No one forced you to autopilot afk through low sec and not expect to get attacked. But yet, Sentries got put into the game mechanics. As well as Criminal Flagging. Your post is a troll. I take the heat all the time, its you, the people who complain and got sentries/CF into play are the ones that couldnt take the heat. Just like when m0o camped Mara, you cried, you had CCP bring concord to low sec when all it would have taken was a fleet to kick them out. Teamspeak Rumble Recording! Vote for homepage
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:16:00 - [17] The point im trying to make is that Criminal flagging forces people who engage in low-sec are forced to not play for 20 minutes after a incident. That is bad game mechanics, simple as that. Teamspeak Rumble Recording! Vote for homepage
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Dez Affinity I don't see any problem with GCC. You don't have to dock either, sit in a safespot aligned to another safespot and unless you get probed out by some really good recon pilot you won't get caught. Getting shot by sentries and docking doesn't renew the GCC either it renews the timer with the owner of the station or the local Navy. To be honest, watching your scanner for 15 minutes is quite boring, docking & waiting 15 minutes and trolling the forums is way better. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:19:00 - [19] I was going to post constructive, but when you see this kind of crap: Originally by: Tank CEO 1. No one forced you to go into low sec 2. No one forced you to ignore the risks when going into low sec 3. No one forced you to autopilot afk through low sec and not expect to get attacked. you know there is no help for this one. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:20:00 - [20] Edited by: Crazy Tasty on 03/11/2008 22:23:05 GCC itself is fairly well balanced, getting shot for aggression, the 15 min timer, and most of the other drawbacks to being outlaw or just GCC'd are all fine. The things that aggravate me are getting GCC for repping another outlaw, regardless of any flags he has, the hidden aggression timers you mentioned, and, of course, the logoffski. Edit: I really don't know what ships you're flying either, but I spend the majority of my time with GCC, makes an excellent baiting situation imo. Then again, adapting to the fact that I almost always have GCC I mostly fly some sort of HAC or BS. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Tank CEO Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/11/2008 21:49:20 Originally by: Tank CEO stuff 1. No one is forcing you to shoot 2. No one is forcing you to be an outlaw 3. No one is forcing you to go hide for 25 minutes If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Also, this post of your is even more of a troll post then your sentry gun post. So you fail miserably! Just like this: 1. No one forced you to go into low sec 2. No one forced you to ignore the risks when going into low sec 3. No one forced you to autopilot afk through low sec and not expect to get attacked. But yet, Sentries got put into the game mechanics. As well as Criminal Flagging. Your post is a troll. I take the heat all the time, its you, the people who complain and got sentries/CF into play are the ones that couldnt take the heat. Just like when m0o camped Mara, you cried, you had CCP bring concord to low sec when all it would have taken was a fleet to kick them out. 1. But I do go into low sec! 2- But I do accept the risk! 3. But I never AFK pilot in low sec! Heck I dont even AFK in high sec! And guess what! I dont complain! You do! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Dez Affinity I don't see any problem with GCC. You don't have to dock either, sit in a safespot aligned to another safespot and unless you get probed out by some really good recon pilot you won't get caught. Getting shot by sentries and docking doesn't renew the GCC either it renews the timer with the owner of the station or the local Navy. To be honest, watching your scanner for 15 minutes is quite boring, docking & waiting 15 minutes and trolling the forums is way better. As a PvPer you have to be watching your scanner constantly anyway. You don't even need to watch your scanner if you are aligned just when something pops on grid =]. Also trolling is done on the second monitor tbh. _______________
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:57:00 - [23] It should be one timer for each act of aggression. Once aggro has been acquired no reset of the timer should occur unless the player attacks a different target. Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.03 23:30:00 - [24] Niccolado Starwalker Are you saying that I shouldn't shoot people in a pvp game? I shoot some one, I gota sit out the game for 20 minutes? Thats my point right there. Thats bad GAME mechanics. "Hey come to eve, if you shoot some one, you gota sit and do nothing in one spot for 20 minutes before you can play again." LOL Teamspeak Rumble Recording! Vote for homepage
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2008.11.03 23:51:00 - [25] He's saying you can shoot people in a PVP game. But learn to accept the responsibilities that come along with shooting them, just as someone entering low sec learns to accept the responsibilites that come along with entering low sec. It isn't bad game mechanics. It's a risk you take but don't like or don't find fun when it works against you. It's what Eve is all about. Eve is a tough game, even for pirates. It's not a game where you get shot, die, and respawn 200 yards away fully reloaded and ready to go at it again. I understand you may be an older player, but still, welcome to Eve. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Blastil	Posted - 2008.11.03 23:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Tank CEO The point im trying to make is that Criminal flagging forces people who engage in low-sec are forced to not play for 20 minutes after a incident. That is bad game mechanics, simple as that. Look mate, I'll pop you as fast as the next guy, but seriously, I find nothing wrong with senturies as they stand today. Basically it means you need to be in a HAC or better to camp. No problem. You can camp gates in under 3 months (BS w/ t1 guns) then. and thats w/ t2 tank! PVP is hardly elietist. I've only been playing for a little more than a year of actual game time, and I've been PVPing in Low and Nullesc for 6 months! A valid gatecamping BC can be obtained in less time as well.
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.04 00:03:00 - [27] Anyone here that wants to fight me at a gate, with sentries on you, BS vs BS... you just let me know. Then you'll see what I mean about sentries. Besides, thats not the topic here. Its criminal flagging. Teamspeak Rumble Recording! Vote for homepage
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.04 00:10:00 - [28] BREAKING NEWS!!1! +++++++++++++++++ In light of Tank CEO's whine CCP has added a crapload of systems, get this... With NO SENTRY GUNS and NO CRIMINAL COUNTDOWN. Don't believe me? Log in! I think they're calling it... "0.0". Originally by: Ki An PS. You're full of vitrol and hate... You're socially inept... You're so completely impotent in game... spewing venom over everyone... ^^ One of my "fans"
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.04 00:28:00 - [29] As much as I'd love to troll Tank CEO, he is on to something. If you have ever shot someone in low sec or suicide on someone in hi sec, you get the GCC and immediately it dawns on you: I basically cannot play for 15 minutes. Sure you can chat and travel in a pod, but that is hardly 'playing eve like everyone else'. Shoot a -1.9 sec status pirate or pop a empty shuttle, boom 15 minutes GCC. As far as "dont do the crime if you can't do the time", there are lots of penalties, such as security status and gate guns that are already very difficult to deal with (you don't see many interceptors camping gates, do you?). Also, if I shoot someone in low sec and he is stabbed and warps off, I get the security status hit AND the GCC. I am doing the time but I really didn't do the crime. I believe the spirit of the GCC is that you are supposed to be vulnerable for 15 minutes to people wanting revenge or anti-pies or whatever, but this is not what happens. What happens is that you dock or ss up or hop safes for 15 minutes. It is boring and doesn't really make any sense. I would modify the GCC as follows: -all timers shown on your screen (ffs this should've been in the game years ago) -timers from gate guns and NPCs reduced to 5 minutes -timers to hostile players and corps and such still at 15 minutes. So there, you can reset your gate camp in 5 minutes but still be flashy red to players, or wait the full 15. This allows for possibly more player on player interaction instead of player vs gate guns and then player vs station. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
DubanFP Caldari Evil ALT Corp	Posted - 2008.11.04 00:31:00 - [30] Edited by: DubanFP on 04/11/2008 00:32:49 This is almost as bad as when Jenny Spitfire was bought. What's next, Dark Shikari showing up and posting about missions being too hard? _______________ "White, Black, Minmitar, Achura, Male or Female it doesn't matter to me. I'm an equal opportunity killer"

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