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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.04 07:41:00 -
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I know Deimos has been beat to death... But I wanted a discussion on this nevertheless.
I am happy that the Deimos changes a while back didn't go live but the one thing I miss from it was the 4th mid. At the moment I fit Deimos a couple of different ways and all of these fits could really use a 4th mid...
What do you think, would Deimos become unbalanced if it gained a 4th mid out of the blue and maybe even a little extra fitting without changing anything else? Could it be exactly what the ship would need to become more versatile and even "nice"? (IMHO it could...)
Of course the possibility also exists to swap this 4th mid from the highs or lows but I know most folks wouldn't want to lose a low as you usually need 3 magstabs for the normal gank fits and at least I find the utility high useful too. OFC I understand that maybe compromises would need to be made if this even got on its wings but I dunno... With blasters currently not *that* awesome and this ship being ridiculed at least by some, maybe just giving it a straight boost wouldn't be too much.
Thoughts?
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.04 19:26:00 -
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No interest in this? Or should this be in Ships and Modules?
Me, I'd really like to see the 4th mid happen... Cap booster, ECCM, shield extender(Yes!) to name a few things I would consider fitting there.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.04 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 04/11/2008 19:56:41
... 2nd webifier ... or use it to dual-fit MWD/AB so you're not entirely hosed if you get 2pt scrammed ... or something ...
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.04 20:15:00 -
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4th slot would be nice. But you then have CCP's ideals of what is balanced or not. And that in it self is a crap shoot at best.
The Deimos could use little loving.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.11.04 20:51:00 -
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CCP's idea of balance seems to be to give it launcher slots instead of turret slots without changing the boni. |
Aurora148
Gallente
DBCI
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Posted - 2008.11.04 21:36:00 -
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if there was a fourth slot it could fit mwd,web,scram,cap booster. which could open up a viable dual mar tank while still keeping mwd,web,scram
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Aurora148
if there was a fourth slot it could fit mwd,web,scram,cap booster. which could open up a viable dual mar tank while still keeping mwd,web,scram
... which is what CCP was suggesting when trying to change the 6th low into a 4th mid in the first place, ignoring that in general a MAR on a close-range cruiser is worse than another resist/HP/dmg mod ...
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.05 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 05/11/2008 05:43:49
Well actually, what I would MOST want it for would be a large shield extender II with point and web... ;) My "secret" shieldgank Deimos (with shield rigs and PDS) which is currently only useful in a versatile gang with good points and webs would become solo-able. I love that fit, nice ehp, buffer that regenerates without repairs and nice maneuverability. Vastly superior to active armor tank at least in short engagements. But I could see it be really useful for the different "normal" armor tank fits as well.
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.09 10:47:00 -
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The more I think of Deimos fits post patch the more I feel the need for the 4th mid... MWD+AB, Scram+Web+point and all kinds of different possible fittings come to mind in addition to the ones I was already thinking about.
So a bump is in order. I don't know, maybe this time around it would be acceptable to even sacrifice a low if a straight on addition is deemed OP. But don't make it active armor tank! :P
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eliminator2
Gallente
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.09 11:59:00 -
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the deimos really needs the 4th mid back its not overpwered at all and without the 4th mid its usless i mean u can mwd up to enemy and maybe a few reps/shots before cap runs out and thats it its not cap stable at all tbh
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Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.11.09 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Edited by: Raimo on 05/11/2008 06:34:12
Edited by: Raimo on 05/11/2008 05:43:49
Well actually, what I would MOST want it for would be a large shield extender II with point and web... ;) My "secret" shieldgank Deimos (with shield rigs and PDS) which is currently only useful in a versatile gang with good points and webs would become solo-able. I love that fit, nice ehp, buffer that regenerates without repairs and nice maneuverability. Vastly superior to active armor tank at least in short engagements, and IMHO superior to passive armor tank as well (On a Deimos) because of the mobility and mostly no repairs... (Armor rigs and plates don't work that well on the Deimos, reducing the gtfo factor as well as slowing the gank)
And I could see the 4th mid be really useful for the different "normal" armor tank fits as well.
Stop telling them sekrits Raimo 
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.10 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Captator
Stop telling them sekrits Raimo
Sorry Cap... But I think sacrifices have to be made in the quest of the holy 4th mid... ;)
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Chekxxx
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Chekxxx on 12/11/2008 11:34:18
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:38:00 -
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Well, any TQ pilots interested after the patch? MWD+AB+Scram+Web? AB+Scram+Disruptor+Web? LSE? 
Also, the MWD bonus is a little suspect now, ainnit?
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:08:00 -
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WELL... How about revamping the MWD cap bonus to a bonus to AB speed? 
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nathaniel flanders
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:24:00 -
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The ship you are looking for allready exists.
Vigilant
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: nathaniel flanders
The ship you are looking for allready exists.
Vigilant
Yeah, but it has less gank.
Also, I really like the AB idea now. For vigilant and Thorax also, how about it being 10% AB speed boost per level?
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:02:00 -
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you can have another midslot when my Sac gets atleast 40m¦ drone bay and bandwidth
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:54:00 -
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As the number of slots seems to be some base design in balancing ships, I guess adding a slot would take one from elsewhere.
The experience of the 5 low slots deimos was horrible, just as horrible as I find fitting a brutix... I really enjoy the ship because it has 6 lows.
The mwd bonus is a bit limited, I think this could be changed in several ways :
1- give more cap to the deimos so the cap has same stats with a T2 mwd than it has now with the bonus. It won't change pvp balance as most people want a mwd. It will make it a better pve ship.
2- give it a replacing bonus that will do something useful, the repair bonus was very gallentean and not that bad, but it was mostly efficient in pve. For pvp situations, HP helps more than repairing... In fact, I use a plated deimos most of the time.
I guess anything regarding speed is not a good idea considering the changes in ships.
I think tracking could be a good one, orbiting battleships works only if you can hit them while being fast.
Finally, for the slot issue, either it must not be changed, either the deimos should abandon it's 6th high slot which has no turret for a med slot.
What do we really put in that slot?
A NOS? then a cap booster in meds is more useful.
A smartbomb? It's only useful when you lost your drones, or you're suiciding/not using them.
A neut? well, if we had the cap to hold this...
So, what about a 5/4/6? what do you put in your last high slot?
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 14/11/2008 16:02:23
As far as using MWD in PVP goes, that remains to be seen with the scram changes. I'm still thinking of new fits and will experiment soon but I think that if AB's got that small boost on Deimos a lot of PVPers would default to the AB. In fact they might end up doing that even with the MWD bonus... (I don't really check out fits on SISI so I'm a tad careful and slow taking it out postpatch  )
As far as the highs go, if a new slot is unacceptable, why not take it from the highs then? Incidentally, somebody pointed in another thread that Thorax/ Deimos has very few total slots for it's class but that is no real argument here, just an observation. (I'm not sure if a wholly new 4th mid would be OP with the current state of med blasters though)
I did fit a medium neut pre-patch for my soloing setup (to get out of inty tackle, no need for perma there) but with the horrible destruction of solo tackling I don't think I will solo in a Deimos now... Except *maybe* if it had 4 mids. ;)
Otherwise, I just have an offlined heatsink which is cool but I could live with out it ofc.
So, take it out of the highs if need be!
(As far as the bonuses go, the repper bonus was especially horrible because of the 5 lows so it wouldn't be as bad with 6 lows and 4 mids but I'm sure we could get something more universal than that anyway. Still rooting for the AB idea with 4 mids!
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CDLoon
Minmatar
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:53:00 -
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I approve of this thread and contents.
4th Mid Deimos is needed. I retired my Deimos for the Astarte for this very reason....
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Atomos Darksun
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:50:00 -
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GIVE ME MY FOURTH MID!
Originally by: Amoxin
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Ghost Riderr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:54:00 -
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I agree it needs a 4th mid to be worthwhile in solo and small gang
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