Originally by: JoCool

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Edited by: JoCool on 03/07/2004 23:27:11
First: Very nice changes, I welcome them. Finally missiles will be useful at long range, without eating frigates and cruisers for breakfast.


But TomB, what about this:

Fictional: Megathron with 400m3 Signature Radius, using the MWD -> x500% = 2000m3 SR. Velocy: 800m/s

Sig Radius: 2000 / 400 = 5
Velocy: 400 / 800 = 0.5
Damage: 400*5*0.5 = 1000 total damage

Will you limit this to the maximal damage the missile is able to do, to prevent that?
Like: If damage exceeds 300, cut it down to 300 ?

Another question:
Will my Missiles do less damage when I shoot at Minmatar battleships and the like or will you even out the signature radii for the battleships?

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Originally by: JoCool

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Edited by: JoCool on 03/07/2004 23:27:11
First: Very nice changes, I welcome them. Finally missiles will be useful at long range, without eating frigates and cruisers for breakfast.


But TomB, what about this:

Fictional: Megathron with 400m3 Signature Radius, using the MWD -> x500% = 2000m3 SR. Velocy: 800m/s

Sig Radius: 2000 / 400 = 5
Velocy: 400 / 800 = 0.5
Damage: 400*5*0.5 = 1000 total damage

Will you limit this to the maximal damage the missile is able to do, to prevent that?
Like: If damage exceeds 300, cut it down to 300 ?

Another question:
Will my Missiles do less damage when I shoot at Minmatar battleships and the like or will you even out the signature radii for the battleships?

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Originally by: MIlad

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Simple : Increase missile speeds(i like the numbers Veskrashen gave)and reduce Bigger missiles agility...This way servers dont have to calculate so much.

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Originally by: MIlad

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Simple : Increase missile speeds(i like the numbers Veskrashen gave)and reduce Bigger missiles agility...This way servers dont have to calculate so much.

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Originally by: GFLTorque

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Tomb - Maybe a Minmitar solution for turret problems AND missles.

Reduce TEMPEST to 3 MISSLe hardpoints, and add 1 TURRET slot. Increase Powergrid, and CPU accordingly for the Turret.

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Originally by: GFLTorque

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Tomb - Maybe a Minmitar solution for turret problems AND missles.

Reduce TEMPEST to 3 MISSLe hardpoints, and add 1 TURRET slot. Increase Powergrid, and CPU accordingly for the Turret.

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Originally by: MIlad

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Simple : Increase missile speeds(i like the numbers Veskrashen gave)and reduce Bigger missiles agility...This way servers dont have to calculate so much.

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Originally by: MIlad

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Simple : Increase missile speeds(i like the numbers Veskrashen gave)and reduce Bigger missiles agility...This way servers dont have to calculate so much.

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1. I'm not a missile or explosion expert, any feedback that will be posted with more knowledge than I have is most welcome.

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1. I'm not a missile or explosion expert, any feedback that will be posted with more knowledge than I have is most welcome.

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Originally by: KamiCrazy

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Edited by: KamiCrazy on 04/07/2004 14:27:56
I've been thinking about missle balancing for a long time and I've decided that the best way to balance missles is to make them mimic their real world counter parts.

1) All missle launchers have incredible fire rates (which lets them virtually fire in salvos) with the exception of cruise and torp launchers (which still have increased fire rates). This is balanced by an increase in reload times. Missle bonuses to ROF are changed to a bonus to reduce reload times. (I was thinking ala robotech style for light missles/rockets)

2) Cruise missles and torps turn too fast. That is the problem, and until the speed which they turn is reduced you are always going to have missle balancing problems as the idea of "reducing dmg" just doens't hold water. If you are a frig and you get smacked with a torp it should hurt, it doesn't make sense not to. I remember seeing DBP orbit a PFM guy at aeditide once and she died very quickly as 3 FOF cruise missles were launched, they immediately turned and exploded. Thats not right...

My solution to this problem is simple, make it so you can dodge missles. Its a bit retarded that you need to outrun missles in the first place to dodge them, making yourself totally impervious to all missle types.
How you can implement it is to first improve missle velocity, then reduce missle turn rates for cruise and torps. Then either change MWD's or create a new "manouvreing module" for frigs which basically gives you a HUGE boost in speed for 10 seconds but is not repeatable. Make it have like a 30 second timer. Also make it able to instantly change relative velocity (think of it as mini-insta warp module).
If you can picture this you have these FAST missles with horrible turns (which means it over shoots its targets) trying to hit a frig which can dance around, zipping left and right.

Now not only do we have cool action dog-fights, a simplistic change (which doesn't cause computation lag), and finally missle balance?

Feel free to punch holes in my idea, I maybe dreaming.

EDIT: Oh oh I just had the most brilliant amendment to my idea.

Make it so that agility reduces as distance to target decreases! OMG! And make the scale at which it decreases diferent for every missle!

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Originally by: KamiCrazy

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Edited by: KamiCrazy on 04/07/2004 14:27:56
I've been thinking about missle balancing for a long time and I've decided that the best way to balance missles is to make them mimic their real world counter parts.

1) All missle launchers have incredible fire rates (which lets them virtually fire in salvos) with the exception of cruise and torp launchers (which still have increased fire rates). This is balanced by an increase in reload times. Missle bonuses to ROF are changed to a bonus to reduce reload times. (I was thinking ala robotech style for light missles/rockets)

2) Cruise missles and torps turn too fast. That is the problem, and until the speed which they turn is reduced you are always going to have missle balancing problems as the idea of "reducing dmg" just doens't hold water. If you are a frig and you get smacked with a torp it should hurt, it doesn't make sense not to. I remember seeing DBP orbit a PFM guy at aeditide once and she died very quickly as 3 FOF cruise missles were launched, they immediately turned and exploded. Thats not right...

My solution to this problem is simple, make it so you can dodge missles. Its a bit retarded that you need to outrun missles in the first place to dodge them, making yourself totally impervious to all missle types.
How you can implement it is to first improve missle velocity, then reduce missle turn rates for cruise and torps. Then either change MWD's or create a new "manouvreing module" for frigs which basically gives you a HUGE boost in speed for 10 seconds but is not repeatable. Make it have like a 30 second timer. Also make it able to instantly change relative velocity (think of it as mini-insta warp module).
If you can picture this you have these FAST missles with horrible turns (which means it over shoots its targets) trying to hit a frig which can dance around, zipping left and right.

Now not only do we have cool action dog-fights, a simplistic change (which doesn't cause computation lag), and finally missle balance?

Feel free to punch holes in my idea, I maybe dreaming.

EDIT: Oh oh I just had the most brilliant amendment to my idea.

Make it so that agility reduces as distance to target decreases! OMG! And make the scale at which it decreases diferent for every missle!

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