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C Black
Gallente
BLACK CARTEL
MACHI MISCHIEF
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:15:00 -
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Since i got you here now.....?
Ok now that we cant do ganks any more and concord is so damn strong and fast. Can we have caps back into empire. I would love to see them back in empire. I dont fly them yet and will not do the training for them until they can be flown in high sec. (seems like i will never be training them then)
Can we get a GM to expand on the topic why they are not allowed any more. Again the point being you will not let us gank any more. GO carebears, your whining has won over ccp again. Now let us have some teeth back or well you could always redo the war dec and make people fight or the war dec an NPC corp!!!!
Just some random stuff that i was wondering about.
C Black
Looking for old friends of WISHSONG corp... |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:18:00 -
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 Originally by: C Black
Since i got you here now.....?
Ok now that we cant do ganks any more and concord is so damn strong and fast. Can we have caps back into empire. I would love to see them back in empire. I dont fly them yet and will not do the training for them until they can be flown in high sec. (seems like i will never be training them then)
Can we get a GM to expand on the topic why they are not allowed any more. Again the point being you will not let us gank any more. GO carebears, your whining has won over ccp again. Now let us have some teeth back or well you could always redo the war dec and make people fight or the war dec an NPC corp!!!!
Just some random stuff that i was wondering about.
C Black
Dear god is it that time of the year again?
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C Black
Gallente
BLACK CARTEL
MACHI MISCHIEF
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:21:00 -
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he ll yea it is that time. I am tired and was reading about the other bs that people have been posting.
C Black
Looking for old friends of WISHSONG corp... |
mercyonman
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:34:00 -
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A:caps don't fit through jump gates
B:it would lag everything up
C: imagine jita but as an old man trying to deal with 500 children all wanting to do the same thing X 2
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:43:00 -
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This would only be acceptable if Concord is capable of killing them.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.11.06 02:45:00 -
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Quote:
Ok now that we cant do ganks any more
um.... why can't we?
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Molly Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.11.06 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: C Black
Since i got you here now.....?
Ok now that we cant do ganks any more and concord is so damn strong and fast. Can we have caps back into empire. I would love to see them back in empire. I dont fly them yet and will not do the training for them until they can be flown in high sec. (seems like i will never be training them then)
Can we get a GM to expand on the topic why they are not allowed any more. Again the point being you will not let us gank any more. GO carebears, your whining has won over ccp again. Now let us have some teeth back or well you could always redo the war dec and make people fight or the war dec an NPC corp!!!!
Just some random stuff that i was wondering about.
C Black
As long as CONCORD responds to everything by instawarping in with 5 titans, sure.
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Meveil
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Posted - 2008.11.06 03:16:00 -
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You can still gank. You just won't get insurance any more, so it just means you have to pick your target wisely now. As for caps in empire. I'm indifferent. I saw somebody on the test servor try to gank in a archon. Concord had him locked down and neuted almost instantly. Biggest concord ship he could blow up was a frigate. Only ganking I see caps doing is on maybye a freigtor filled with zydrine or something. If you do allow caps back into empire. I think you should have a faction standing of 10. That way its next to impossible.
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.06 04:25:00 -
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If you want to own a cap in highsec that bad, contact me in game, i'll sell you a chimera in a busy 0.5 system for 7 billion isk.
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.11.06 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: mercyonman
A:caps don't fit through jump gates
Caps don't need stargates, not that it matters because they shouldn't even be in highsec.
If we let caps back into highsec then wheres Chribba going to go? He'll be forgotten and alone, think of Chribba people.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.06 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/11/2008 05:11:30
CONCORD is basically buffed to the point that even if you had a a ton of carriers releasing ten fighters each you still won't be able to kill anyone with a respectable tank before CONCORD shows up, jams and kills the drones and carriers, and slaps people in the face who thought that CCP may have been overzealous when tweaking CONCORD the last time around.
Of course carriers aren't necessarily as effective against some targets as sub-cap ships would be. And Dreads are going to need to triple or quadruple web with post-patch 50-60% webs in order to hit a moving sub-cap target with an activated afterburner.
Also why would you want to risk a capital ship in High Sec combat anyway? What would there be to gain? Ooh let's get our Dreads out and go gank that small non-faction control tower with its one research lab. 
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.11.06 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: C Black
Since i got you here now.....?
Ok now that we cant do ganks any more and concord is so damn strong and fast. Can we have caps back into empire. I would love to see them back in empire. I dont fly them yet and will not do the training for them until they can be flown in high sec. (seems like i will never be training them then)
Can we get a GM to expand on the topic why they are not allowed any more. Again the point being you will not let us gank any more. GO carebears, your whining has won over ccp again. Now let us have some teeth back or well you could always redo the war dec and make people fight or the war dec an NPC corp!!!!
Just some random stuff that i was wondering about.
C Black
Some reasons why its not allowed have allready been mentioned, but another one is corps with cap ships will be able to use these ships in wars, say like against newbie players in newbiecorps!
That is an unfair situation, so that is why cap ships can "only" be used where there are more advanced gameplay and more skilled players.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
EYEDOLL
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
This would only be acceptable if Concord is capable of killing them.
Oh don't worry about that.. they are capable.. easily even. Maybe not the supercaps, but carriers/dreads go down relatively fast.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:26:00 -
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Imagine all the wardecs and ganks of capitals because of every 0.0-alliance having their caps jump straight to Jita to do their shopping.
I hope the node supports 5k+ people, including fighterswarms, in a single system. 
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m3rb3aSt
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:51:00 -
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How about just make a concord dreadnaught with super concord death rays and a 25km concord smartbomb which warps space and time to destroy everything around it
have one of those badboys spawn when people attack and it wouldn't matter if they were in a titan or a mother ship. either way it would die.
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C Black
Gallente
BLACK CARTEL
MACHI MISCHIEF
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:53:00 -
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to clear up a few things.
yes you still get insurance if you gank.
you need ten times more people to do simple gank, meaning if you cant do it on the first volley then you are pretty much screwed.
WHY OH WHY would you even think about doing a gank in an a capital ship?
ALSO when you do a gank, concord reponds to each aggressor, meaning every ship would get jammed and neuted and then killed.
So in short, why is it not allowed again.
c black
C Black
Looking for old friends of WISHSONG corp... |
Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Also why would you want to risk a capital ship in High Sec combat anyway? What would there be to gain? Ooh let's get our Dreads out and go gank that small non-faction control tower with its one research lab.
Based on the number of people I've seen in CS/HAC/BS harassing noob osprey miners, I'd say the answer to your question is 'a lot of people'. Which is one of the big reasons CCP doesn't really want caps in high sec.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.06 11:01:00 -
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Can flipping in a carrier would be awesome.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.06 11:04:00 -
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caps are strong ? Intresting 1 carrier can be kileld by 3 bs in 15 minutes if you dont know. There would be no cariers in station if agro mechanics were banning station hugging. Or logoff and "my carrier will disapear in 1 minute"
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Conviction.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hesod Adee
This would only be acceptable if Concord is capable of killing them.
Have you seen what concord does to a dread on sisi?
It's like watching a sledgehammer smash through a glass window. Concord = fist of god.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Also why would you want to risk a capital ship in High Sec combat anyway? What would there be to gain? Ooh let's get our Dreads out and go gank that small non-faction control tower with its one research lab.
Based on the number of people I've seen in CS/HAC/BS harassing noob osprey miners, I'd say the answer to your question is 'a lot of people'. Which is one of the big reasons CCP doesn't really want caps in high sec.
Even in that scenario, by the time the target gets kill righted, they could be warped to the station and safely docked before the carrier, even with multiple scan resolution scripted SB IIs could lock onto them. Assigning fighters might be good for laughs, but then you're putting drones in play to be destroyed that cost as much as the ships they're being assigned to...
Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly care one way or another if caps ever return freely to high sec, I'm quite happy with a low sec port of call and using them out in no sec. The only reason I could think not to allow them would be the impact of 0.0 alliances having easy mode logistic support coming out of empire, where at least there's a modest chance of interdiction by forcing capitals and transports to meet in low sec.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
The only reason I could think not to allow them would be the impact of 0.0 alliances having easy mode logistic support coming out of empire, where at least there's a modest chance of interdiction by forcing capitals and transports to meet in low sec.
That, wardecs, and the fact that 'endgame' is 0.0. And cap warfare is part of endgame, at least that's how I interpret CCP's intentions.
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Smilla Snow
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:43:00 -
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If you wanto to gank - just go into low sec or 0.0. Where is the problem? Play with pilots who like fighting too... or do you fear that? Thank you CPP, no easy kill in empire anymore.
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Re'taka
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Hesod Adee
This would only be acceptable if Concord is capable of killing them.
Have you seen what concord does to a dread on sisi?
It's like watching a sledgehammer smash through a glass window. Concord = fist of god.
only way to effectively tank concord is with a buffer tank, on a dread or carrier, lasts about 90 sec on a dread and about 45 on a carrier, dont worrie about running a rep setup, you only get one cycle out before you pop, and super caps might last maybe a 3 min if that, plus why would you want to waste 80 bil isk just to WTFBBQ jita?? seems like the odds of getting anything good out of it are pretty low vs that cost.
when you attack someone, soon as concord shows up your drones are disabled, lock killed, so it dont matter how long you can tank, you cant keep attacking.
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Dihania
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Dear god is it that time of the year again?
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Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to ride
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
That, wardecs, and the fact that 'endgame' is 0.0. And cap warfare is part of endgame, at least that's how I interpret CCP's intentions.
I thought 'endgame' was what happened someone finally snaps, posts an rant in C&P about how they're off to play WoW, and gets "can I have your stuff" as a response. 
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:30:00 -
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It is true. There hasn't been a single suicide gank since the CONCORD change.
Not one!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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