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KiIIBiII
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Posted - 2008.11.08 16:26:00 -
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kk its whine here!!
Maybe some people didn't realize the scale of changes but I see how will they effort Caldari as race.
First new missiles formula is mainly affected by signature, so for caldari how it look? Caldari use shield tank witch have overall 10% res lower than armor tank already, it also increase your signature on such drake twice, while armor tank increase your mass, see what I'm heading to? For new meaning of signature caldari in pvp should recive full dps from turrets as now but also won't be able to evade any dps from any ship using missles, while at same time your ship won't be able to hit decent anything same class as you becouse your dps depend on sig and ammar gallante matar mainly use armor tank witch don't affect your sig.
Also about adopt or die, missiles can be used only for few other ships in game witch are not caldari, so generaly you would have to sacrafice 40+ days for possibility to fly other ship witch still isn't anything better than your flaying already, missle sub skills don't work same as for gunnery sub skills for ammar gallante matar, that once trained can be used for all kinds of turrets. Same goes for shield, only matar can use it good, but then still not as good as ships your already flaying, so finally we find ourself in situation that we have bunch of waisted sp and it looks like we need to start everything from scratches like with new char. So why to bother?
Thats what I see after reading most threads in this forum, nano were bad but still if your fast you will be faster than your opponent so no sp waisted after patch, but with missiles it will be pointless to pvp, not sure about pve but I don't think it will look better than pvp.
PS. I imagine how ammar nano***s going to start smack at this topic, so before you start, go on bridge and jump down you will make good thing by making world free of your dirty existence!
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McTard
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Posted - 2008.11.08 16:52:00 -
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People are just saying to fit 2 sensor boosters and 2 painters, have NO tank, and eat boosters like candy and it'll all be fine, really...
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Daitanfutekina Unsoya
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Posted - 2008.11.08 17:29:00 -
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you have it all wrong.
caldari are the best race now
just take all those med slots and load them up!
1x Mwd
1x AB
1x disruptor
1x scram
1x web
1x painter.
Damn you caldarians.
always with the med slots.
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Solid Prefekt
Minmatar
Haven Front
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Posted - 2008.11.08 17:40:00 -
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Matar also shield tank many of their ships and have to fully train missiles to use the Typhoon and Dread. So this is an additional nerf for Matari.
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.08 17:52:00 -
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 Originally by: KiIIBiII
kk its whine here!!
Maybe some people didn't realize the scale of changes but I see how will they effort Caldari as race.
First new missiles formula is mainly affected by signature, so for caldari how it look? Caldari use shield tank witch have overall 10% res lower than armor tank already (well does armor have a passive regen? no), it also increase your signature on such drake twice, while armor tank increase your mass, see what I'm heading to? For new meaning of signature caldari in pvp should recive full dps from turrets as now but also won't be able to evade any dps from any ship using missles, while at same time your ship won't be able to hit decent anything same class as you becouse your dps depend on sig and ammar gallante matar mainly use armor tank witch don't affect your sig. (sorry, no you're not making sense. have you ever fit plates? being a brick has always had it's drawbacks. it's just that now being a balloon also does.
Also about adopt or die, missiles can be used only for few other ships in game witch are not caldari, so generaly you would have to sacrafice 40+ days for possibility to fly other ship witch still isn't anything better than your flaying already, missle sub skills don't work same as for gunnery sub skills for ammar gallante matar, that once trained can be used for all kinds of turrets. (my main here flies amarr and minmatar. there are plenty of missile users among those ships. even the gallente have their odd missile boats). Same goes for shield, only matar can use it good ok not sure what you're saying here again. if you mean overpowered passive shield regen tanking then maybe, except for the broadsword. many minmatar ships use active shield tanking. and if you find minmatar shield tanking bad, then lol, where were you calling for balance all these years), but then still not as good as ships your already flaying, so finally we find ourself in situation that we have bunch of waisted sp and it looks like we need to start everything from scratches like with new char. So why to bother?
Thats what I see after reading most threads in this forum, nano were bad but still if your fast you will be faster than your opponent so no sp waisted after patch, but with missiles it will be pointless to pvp, not sure about pve but I don't think it will look better than pvp.
PS. I imagine how ammar nano***s going to start smack at this topic, so before you start, go on bridge and jump down you will make good thing by making world free of your dirty existence!
Sorry, many amarr toons never drank the spiked coolaide of nano. And none of this reply is "smack". It's informed argumentation. Haven't called you any names have I, unlike you.
What you fail to realize in all your doom-and-gloom-woe- is-me-the-sky-is-falling is that everyone is getting nerfed. Speed got nerfed. Drones got nerfed. Missiles got nerfed and it affects much more than just Caldari ships. Khanid ships were hit hard and have no meaningful range option now that javelin HAMs and Rockets give a tactically worthless range bonus.
If anything this was all a stealth Caldari buff. Range will be king. Who specializes in range? Whose Recons and HACs have rediculous range?
Seriously, create some more specific and informed whines. I like to read those.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 17:58:17
Originally by: Lili Lu
If anything this was all a stealth Caldari buff. Range will be king. Who specializes in range? Whose Recons and HACs have rediculous range?
Seriously, create some more specific and informed whines. I like to read those.
Not only that, but the locus rig nerf reduces the amount of viable snipers even more - and Caldari are not truly in the best position here.
I mean, I don't like the whole patch as it was rolled out. But saying it is aimed at race X specifically is incorrect.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.08 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: McTard
People are just saying to fit 2 sensor boosters and 2 painters, have NO tank, and eat boosters like candy and it'll all be fine, really...
you forgot the 2 webbers needed to get damage out of our ships.
Thats 6 midslots for ewar in any pvpsetup :)
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.08 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: McTard
People are just saying to fit 2 sensor boosters and 2 painters, have NO tank, and eat boosters like candy and it'll all be fine, really...
you forgot the 2 webbers needed to get damage out of our ships.
Thats 6 midslots for ewar in any pvpsetup :)
Its fine because you are only supposed to pvp in big blobs from now on...
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Daitanfutekina Unsoya
you have it all wrong.
caldari are the best race now
just take all those med slots and load them up!
1x Mwd
1x AB
1x disruptor
1x scram
1x web
1x painter.
Damn you caldarians.
always with the med slots.
We didn't want that tank anyway
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:46:00 -
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Eagle is gonna be sweeeet! :)
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:55:00 -
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like you're going to catch anything from 250km.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:09:00 -
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3 Days ... seriously, where were you whiners weeks ago ...
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:34:00 -
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Nonsense! This is a nerf to amarr. Amarr BS will now have the hardest time to hit something in web range at all with the web nerf! A huge nerf to amarr solo pvp! Sky is falling!
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