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Holy Lowlander Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Holy Lowlander on 08/11/2008 20:46:29 over 1500 votes against the nano nerf , 70 page post How can something like this go trough ... ? This post got the most votes ever in a CSM post and greatly outnumbers the amount of whines about the 'overpowered' nano's . This is not a whine about the nano nerf , this is a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. All those people have a clear opinion about something , but still the changes are made. cleary ccp did listen to players on some rare ocasions and the csm did acomplish some things. But how can this just be so ignored....
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:43:00 - [2] The reason is simple. The people who are whining are wrong. Speed needs rebalancing for the good of the game as a whole, and if people can't see past their own self interest, shame. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Miss CJB Gallente In White Suits	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:43:00 - [3] because the nano nerf is a good thing?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:44:00 - [4] OVER 1500!! Wait.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:44:00 - [5] A simple reason is that it is not how it was designed. No ships were meant to go so fast they couldn't get hit AT ALL, and the physics engine can't handle anything moving that fast. IIRC the most it can handle is 8k m/s. Don't point to warp being evidence the physics engine can handle fast speeds because while your going over 8km/s you are going in a straight line and can't be effected by anything that would evoke the physics engine. ---- --- --- My views don't represent those of my corporation or alliance.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Holy Lowlander over 1500 votes against the nano nerf , 70 page post Oh woah ... 1500 votes! Out of 230.000 subscribers? Yeah, really, cpp MUST act!! And if you haven't noticed, their first iteration with the speed nerf was quite a lot reworked and delayed because of the concerns the player mentioned. At least where player pointed out in a calm and precise manner what would be wrong and why. So I think that the nano-nerf is indeed a good example how CCP listens and cares about precise and calm input from players. On the other hand, they will completely ignore screaming around and name-callings - which is good!
Holy Lowlander Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Miss CJB because the nano nerf is a good thing? I can think of 1500 people who dissagree ;)
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:47:00 - [8] hmm 1500 votes...of 250000 customers...ok not really a good comparism but what about the people that just did not vote agsint the nano nerf because they thought it might be a good change? [dont come with the other "for the nano nerf" thread most likely those other people just did not see the need to vote for something that was on the way anyway]. Of course this is true for the whiners, too [I dislike the idea that a dozen whiners spamming the forums can trigger a change that the rest does not want] but most likely CCP saw a problem. As they said at high speeds their engine behaves funny. Do you remember the last speed nerf? When using multiple MWDs was disabled? I think the are just going to try to NOT invalidate speed tanking while reducing overall speed. i mean if they need to cap the Weapon Range it seems understandable to cap a few other things that are related to the engine,too.
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Holy Lowlander [url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371]over 1500 votes against the nano nerf , 70 page post[/url] How can something like this go trough ... ? This post got the most votes ever in a CSM post and greatly outnumbers the amount of whines about the 'overpowered' nano's . This is not a whine about the nano nerf , this is a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. All those people have a clear opinion about something , but still the changes are made. cleary ccp did listen to players on some rare ocasions and the csm did acomplish some things. But how can this just be so ignored.... 1500 votes.... hmm thats like not even 1% of all eve subscriptions. I cannot see how you can possibly think these forums actually make a great difference if you look at it like that... It's about time I put something sensible in here, but I couldn't really come up with something so you'l have to do with this. Are you like really bored, or did you not notice this is my sig?
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Holy Lowlander a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. The real problem is how long it took ccp to nerf nanos. Nanos were a flavor of the month that turned into a flavor of the year. After all that time folks invested a lot of isk and skill points. Of course they'll complain when the fantasy is shattered. If ccp had reacted faster then it wouldn't have been such a big deal.

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:49:00 - [11] to bad everyone here seems to like it. I know I do, makes small ships way more powerful.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:49:00 - [12] "Majority rule don't work in mental institutions", as the song goes. Speed needed balancing, plain and simple. I bet the majority of the forum whined when stacking penalties were introduced, but stacking penalties are a good thing too. I mean, CCP know what direction they want to take the game, presumably.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Holy Lowlander a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. The real problem is how long it took ccp to nerf nanos. Nanos were a flavor of the month that turned into a flavor of the year. After all that time folks invested a lot of isk and skill points. Of course they'll complain when the fantasy is shattered. If ccp had reacted faster then it wouldn't have been such a big deal. Multiple speed boosting mods were in the game longer than nanos have been iWIN, so your arguement is flawed. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:51:00 - [14] 1500 people who can't stand to lose that feeling of being PvP gods..... when all they've really been doing is abusing broken game mechanics. CCP has made what on Sisi seems to be a very well balanced adjustment. They've taken into account user suggestions and criticism to a degree rarely seen before. What they HAVEN'T done is cave in to a very vocal group of people wanting to keep the broken game mechanics they were abusing! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:52:00 - [15] 1500 character votes do not directly equal to 1500 individual players. Your point is only valid if you could prove that each character was indeed a different account AND a different account holder. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Foruman Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Avon The reason is simple. The people who are whining are wrong. Speed needs rebalancing for the good of the game as a whole, and if people can't see past their own self interest, shame. you took wrong character, where's your CCP alt Have you been high today?
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:54:00 - [17] Originally by: MotherMoon to bad everyone here seems to like it. I know I do, makes small ships way more powerful. small powerful big weak I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK WHEN IS YOUR MMO COMING OUT ILL SIGN UP ALREADY. Also 1500 votes might not be a lot when compared to the tens of thousands that havent voted, but now think how many of those are alts, how many are farmers, how many speak English, how many frequent the forums, how many frequent the sub-forum. I know I don't frequent that sub-forum, mainly because it serves little practical use. I've never seen that thread before, and therefore I haven't voted, I'm sure many others are in the same boat, so take your little 1 percent statistic and shove it up your repository until you are able to factor in all the other variables. _______________
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:57:00 - [18] Considering the tiny % reading the forums, especially the CSM forums, 1500 votes is a very big number.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:58:00 - [19] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 08/11/2008 20:58:17 Originally by: Esmenet Considering the tiny % reading the forums, especially the CSM forums, 1500 votes is a very big number. Yes, for the CSM forums. However, in terms of people who actually play the game, no it isn't. Edit: If you're attempting sarcasm, it didn't work. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Kerfira What they HAVEN'T done is cave in to a very vocal group of people wanting to keep the broken game mechanics they were abusing! The only reason they are nerfing nanos is because alood of FW people in frigs and t1 cruisers whined that they couldn't kill anything on the forums. Now the they've all gone back to mission running because FW didn't make them ISK, and we've got to deal with blasters being broken, missiles being even more broken, webs being broken, et cetera. I honestly think the people that invested billions in high grade snakes and polycarbs have taken this overzealous nerf very well, compared to the whiners that got CCP to make it in the first place.

Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:00:00 - [21] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 08/11/2008 20:58:17 Originally by: Esmenet Considering the tiny % reading the forums, especially the CSM forums, 1500 votes is a very big number. Yes, for the CSM forums. However, in terms of people who actually play the game, no it isn't. Edit: If you're attempting sarcasm, it didn't work. There is no other way to poll those people about the changes if they do not read the only form of inter-communication that works. _______________
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:00:00 - [22] considering that the speed nerf was announced very early and rather discussed alot it would be very unprobable that the people who are in favor of the change would NOT check about news for it and jsut not vote in the thread. So I think the percentage of the people actually interested in the nerf and checking the forums about it is quite high. so 1500 is perhaps about 1% of those who WHERE interested in information and why should 8guessed] 1% give the decision?
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Holy Lowlander over 1500 votes against the nano nerf , 70 page post Oh woah ... 1500 votes! Out of 230.000 subscribers? Yeah, really, cpp MUST act!! And if you haven't noticed, their first iteration with the speed nerf was quite a lot reworked and delayed because of the concerns the player mentioned. At least where player pointed out in a calm and precise manner what would be wrong and why. So I think that the nano-nerf is indeed a good example how CCP listens and cares about precise and calm input from players. On the other hand, they will completely ignore screaming around and name-callings - which is good! Theres more than 230 subscribers and i doubt you can decimalise people either, short of them stepping on a landmine...
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Orion GUardian considering that the speed nerf was announced very early and rather discussed alot it would be very unprobable that the people who are in favor of the change would NOT check about news for it and jsut not vote in the thread. So I think the percentage of the people actually interested in the nerf and checking the forums about it is quite high. so 1500 is perhaps about 1% of those who WHERE interested in information and why should 8guessed] 1% give the decision? I read dev-blogs and general discussion. I do not read superfluous sections of the forum like the CSM section. Many others share the same opinion as me. _______________
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Avon Multiple speed boosting mods were in the game longer than nanos have been iWIN, so your arguement is flawed. Nano ships have been repeatedly nerfed. No multiple mwds. Nano bs's aren't as effective as before etc. And nanos have been boosted with the introduction of rigs. The reason why nanos work currently is because not just ship attributes, but because of changes in tactics. Either way CCP should have seen this trend and acted a long time ago. Originally by: Esmenet 1500 votes is a very big number. Then so is the 800 people voting for the nerf. While many are against the nerf, what CCP is doing isn't done in a vacuum.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Avon on 08/11/2008 21:14:48 Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Avon Multiple speed boosting mods were in the game longer than nanos have been iWIN, so your arguement is flawed. Nano ships have been repeatedly nerfed. No multiple mwds. Nano bs's aren't as effective as before etc. And nanos have been boosted with the introduction of rigs. The reason why nanos work currently is because not just ship attributes, but because of changes in tactics. Either way CCP should have seen this trend and acted a long time ago. CCP have continually nerfed speed tanking AND they should have spotted the trend and acted a long time ago? Which is it? A clever person may have noticed that CCP had acted against speed tanking several times in the past, and by understanding that trend they may have realised that nanos were going to get a nerf. I mean, it is hardly rocket science .. .. oh, wait ... Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:12:00 - [27] Actually im all for nano nerf - because with it came mission runner (raven) nerf. yay for berserker wildly swinging nerfbat !
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Dez Affinity There is no other way to poll those people about the changes if they do not read the only form of inter-communication that works. So? If they really wanted to know a survey could be conducted. The forum is hardly accurate. Assume we have just alts, three characters on each account, 1500/3 is 500. And then god only knows how many people could just post with a second or third account. For all you know one person could be voting one way 9 times (three accounts, three characters on each one). So there is no way you can draw any serious conclusion from this. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:13:00 - [29] Actually the vast majority of those "votes" were cast before the missile and drone and agility re-balancing so that "poll" is UTTERLY USELESS. The overwhelming feedback in that thread was that missiles would be IWIN, but CCP took that feedback and balanced them so that proves that CCP does listen. Originally by: Holy Lowlander this is a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. Get it through you head that listening != obeying. CCP listened, but they didn't do exactly what you wanted. You are whining. Go away. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/11/2008 21:14:17 Originally by: sg3s Originally by: Holy Lowlander [url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371]over 1500 votes against the nano nerf , 70 page post[/url] How can something like this go trough ... ? This post got the most votes ever in a CSM post and greatly outnumbers the amount of whines about the 'overpowered' nano's . This is not a whine about the nano nerf , this is a whine about ccp not listening to their customers at all. All those people have a clear opinion about something , but still the changes are made. cleary ccp did listen to players on some rare ocasions and the csm did acomplish some things. But how can this just be so ignored.... 1500 votes.... hmm thats like not even 1% of all eve subscriptions. I cannot see how you can possibly think these forums actually make a great difference if you look at it like that... 1) Its 1300 more votes then the 20 things from the csm which CCP did deam worthy or paying attention to. If 1500 votes is not enough to pay attention to (as you posit) then defacto ccp should not be paying attention to 200 votes (suicide ganking nerfed alteady gone through) Either bin the CSM due to lack of participation, or accept that your going to accept relativly low voter turnouts and trest them as representational of the rest of the non voting public. CCP are doing both, and neither when it suits them. 2)Whats a pubbie? SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order



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