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Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Hardin One specific advantage that they have over us is 'intelligence'. -A- have numerous spies inserted into Citadel corps/alliances. I am not whinging over this - it is a fact of EVE life these days - but this is still one aspect of EVE gameplay that CVA still doesn't really do. You are saying that CVA do not have spies in any alliance? Or "don't really have spies"? How do you "not really" have a spy, in this case?
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: Hardin One specific advantage that they have over us is 'intelligence'. -A- have numerous spies inserted into Citadel corps/alliances. I am not whinging over this - it is a fact of EVE life these days - but this is still one aspect of EVE gameplay that CVA still doesn't really do. You are saying that CVA do not have spies in any alliance? Or "don't really have spies"? How do you "not really" have a spy, in this case? I think having a character in somebody's alliance with the intent to spy. CVA offcourse has friends that might drop information left and right. Maybe theres a thin line, but I guess an informant and a spy are two different things. Spying and metagaming is part of the game, thats a fact. That it can be both a devastating weapon or a royal pain in the ass is a fact. (depeding on whether you are on the giving or receiving side) The only thing that bothers me is that CCP leaves us with inadequate tools to properly secure things like pos etc. And the Corptool menu is a **ing nightmare from day one. **en passwords my ass its a bloody nightmare. Ps. Im a neutral bystander here by the way... not part of the providence/catch community anymore (sniff..)
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: Hardin One specific advantage that they have over us is 'intelligence'. -A- have numerous spies inserted into Citadel corps/alliances. I am not whinging over this - it is a fact of EVE life these days - but this is still one aspect of EVE gameplay that CVA still doesn't really do. You are saying that CVA do not have spies in any alliance? Or "don't really have spies"? How do you "not really" have a spy, in this case? We don't actively place spies in other alliances. Occasionally some 'friendly' person will volunteer some info but that is kinda random. On occasions in the past where we have been offered info that we considered 'unfair' we actually told our opponent that they were compromised. As I said spying is now considered a legitimate part of EVE - so maybe we are the foolish ones for not going down that route. I guess it is misguided Amarrian values I am not criticising -A- for it - it is part of life - but it does give an advantage. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: Hardin One specific advantage that they have over us is 'intelligence'. -A- have numerous spies inserted into Citadel corps/alliances. I am not whinging over this - it is a fact of EVE life these days - but this is still one aspect of EVE gameplay that CVA still doesn't really do. You are saying that CVA do not have spies in any alliance? Or "don't really have spies"? How do you "not really" have a spy, in this case? He is saying that we don't use/have spies. We don't try to access POS pswd's, we don't try to access Vent/TS pswd's to take advantage of it. When you engage a CVA gang/fleet you can be sure of one thing: We will be playing and fighting by the rules. And I'm glad we do it like this. Oh the FC/Gang leader made a bad call ? The Scout screwed up ? Tough luck, we will stick to our decision consequences whatever that was and will accept the price of our errors. You don't see us log off in the middle of a fight to save ships. To be a CVA pilot you agree with a Code of Conduct and you are expected to follow it no matter the case. Ships can be replaced in minutes. A reputation takes years to achieve. Amarr Victor! ________________ God is my Wingman
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.11.10 14:16:00 - [35] Originally by: DeadDuck He is saying that we don't use/have spies. I don't want to go into detail on how we know, but this is not our impression of what is going on, so either there is a rogue side to CVA who do actively hunt intel on opposing factions, or you are lying through your teeth. Either way, it's not going to make much difference to me, nor to how we conduct ourselves. As hardin says, its part of the game. Anyway, nice words, nice fight - you know how to get action. For whoever wins, that's always a good thing. This fight was a something of an anomaly, and CVA failed to capitalise on a couple of mistakes we made that could have swung it. The recent SV5 area fights show how close to the wire this generally goes. I'm sure it'll be more evenly matched on the next.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.10 14:32:00 - [36] Edited by: Hardin on 10/11/2008 14:34:19 Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: DeadDuck He is saying that we don't use/have spies. I don't want to go into detail on how we know, but this is not our impression of what is going on, so either there is a rogue side to CVA who do actively hunt intel on opposing factions, or you are lying through your teeth. Either way, it's not going to make much difference to me, nor to how we conduct ourselves. As hardin says, its part of the game. I can assure you I am not lying through my teeth. Of course it is possible that 'rogue' elements maybe doing something like that but it is certainly not something the alliance actively endorses/supports and anyone who knows Aralis (our Evil Thug... only nicer ) would have a hard time believing that that behaviour is being endorsed by CVA leadership. Now obviously something has lead you to believe that we have been doing that - maybe some other mischevious third party is deliberately creating this impression for their own ends o_o (I blame the Minnies)... (Edit: Of course CVA is not the only Providence alliance and it is possible that others Provi alliances are being more proactive in this area than we are) Anyway, as I (and now you) have both said it matters not. It is part of the game and we CVA have to learn to live with it or accept the occasional slaughter As I said I wasn't 'blaming' or 'whinging' about -A-. You guys do what you need to do. I was just giving third party observers a little more explanation of why 'sometimes' things don't go as smoothly for Providence allies as we would like. o7 ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Holy Lowlander oh my god .... They didn't even need to use the titan bridge to come in , they could also have used the normal JB network wich is quite big .... PXF has a jb in f9e .... Jump bridges use CPU, and as a result jump bridges attached to reinforced poses go offline.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.10 22:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Hardin With the exception of the occasional full scale -A- fleet invasion Providence is generally safe for business with most raiders stomped upon/ambushed/blobbed/scared away relatively quickly. I can agree with the blobbed bit ... apart from that life in Provi of late has been most enjoyable for your standard guerilla warfare type.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:19:00 - [39] We like fighting CVA, they actually fight and they do it well. Lets all just have fun.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:34:00 - [40] hummm are you fighting cva or merely *****slapping ~~kos~~ ~~iac~~ pxf - putting the gist back into logistics
Don J Doom Guard	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:00:00 - [41] General consensus from us is that -A- are fun to fight and keep us on our toes. There's no getting away from the fact that they are more experienced pvp'ers and as a result mistakes are punished harshly, but that's the best way to learn imo. We had a very small scale old school mixed fleet BS heavy ruck last night, and although we got overwhelmed at the end & failed to hold the field, it was an enjoyable fight. Moar like that pls
xRevolveRx Masters of Mayhem	Posted - 2008.11.13 14:11:00 - [42] Originally by: andys cz Gratz CVA with failing showing titan. Luc Picard - Avatar (CVA) Gratz on whiskey getting back to playing the game! Doesn't matter if you kill that titan or not, that guy has more isk than bob.
Admiral Seeley	Posted - 2008.11.20 09:07:00 - [43] DIE CVA DIE!!!

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