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Potencial Complejo	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:59:00 - [1] CCP is there a way to do this ?
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:00:00 - [2] petition it ? Quote: It's not a good idea to place a Exotic Dancers in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancers will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
viojs Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:06:00 - [3] Scrapheap?
TowMotor	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:09:00 - [4] Edited by: TowMotor on 09/11/2008 13:09:59 I had a friend that sold his char, then it get's banned cause the new owner used it for macro mining, Then my friend wanted to come back to eve, but couldnt purchase his old char because it was banned, Hmm thats not what you asking tho is it
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:11:00 - [5] Originally by: TowMotor I had a friend that sold his char, then it get's banned cause the new owner used it for macro mining, Then my friend wanted to come back to eve, but couldnt purchase his old char because it was banned How would he have purchased it if it hadn't been banned? There's no guarantee the guy you sell it to will want to sell it back later. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
TowMotor	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:12:00 - [6] true
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:16:00 - [7] If you petition a GM they will say to post with another character and explain in the post than the to-be-sold character is forum banned.
Potencial Complejo	Posted - 2008.11.10 15:54:00 - [8] the last person who did that had his auction closed by ccp
SunTzuCsu Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Potencial Complejo the last person who did that had his auction closed by ccp Aye that's true.
Korizan	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:05:00 - [10] Brings up a point. If somebody places a character for sale shouldn't you be able to see all CCP actions against it ? All bans and warnings whenever they were created ? Personally I would hope CCP would NOT allow character sales on any character that has a ban of any kind or even a pending action or under investigation for that matter. The purchaser should know what they are getting.
Potencial Complejo	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:08:00 - [11] Agreed but the char i wish to sell is on an ACOUNT which is perma forum banned i.e the ban applies to the account not the char as soon as char leaves the account he can post again. I could transfer char to another acccount then post with him to make sale and transfer again but thats double the cost.
Korizan	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Potencial Complejo Agreed but the char i wish to sell is on an ACOUNT which is perma forum banned i.e the ban applies to the account not the char as soon as char leaves the account he can post again. I could transfer char to another acccount then post with him to make sale and transfer again but thats double the cost. Petition it and state your case. But if you where trolling with that character and the account got banned well don't bother. If you were trolled with another character and the one you want to sell is clean of issues, well CCP might allow the sale to go through. Then again if the system is set up of flat account bans you may not have a choice but to do a transfer first. Not to be cruel but you must admit the situation is all of your making.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Potencial Complejo I could transfer char to another acccount then post with him to make sale and transfer again but thats double the cost. Cost of doing business, plus you should pay for getting banned in the first place.

GM Grimmi	Posted - 2008.11.10 16:38:00 - [14] Greetings, Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters and a forum ban will not be removed to allow an auction to take place. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master EVE CSS

doesnotcompute	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:04:00 - [15] Originally by: GM Grimmi Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters Of course you can. You choose not to.
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:06:00 - [16] would it not be possible then to have another account post the sale and state the confirmation post of who will be getting the isk be on an unbanned account? I know its a work around but surely if the CCP policy and system is blocking legitimate play and game mechanics (that the player hasn't been deliberately excluded from) then the policy could stand a little modification? I always find it funny when companies hide behind the "That's the policy" excuse. Policies are set by people who try to make a guide line to try and cover certain situations. But if the policy isn't working (doesn't cover something, unintentionally blocking something etc) then the surely it would make sense to be able to ask for that policy to be reviewed?
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:33:00 - [17] Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters and a forum ban will not be removed to allow an auction to take place. Take that damn "sadly" out of that sentence. Don't even HINT at an apology for doing the right thing. If some moron got himself banned, he should be forced to choke on his unsellable assets. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Xano Heroma Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters and a forum ban will not be removed to allow an auction to take place. Take that damn "sadly" out of that sentence. Don't even HINT at an apology for doing the right thing. If some moron got himself banned, he should be forced to choke on his unsellable assets. /signed
Gone'Postal Minmatar Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Gone''Postal on 10/11/2008 17:37:21 Originally by: Xano Heroma Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters and a forum ban will not be removed to allow an auction to take place. Take that damn "sadly" out of that sentence. Don't even HINT at an apology for doing the right thing. If some moron got himself banned, he should be forced to choke on his unsellable assets. /signed I'll sign his sign, who signed the other guys sign. Boost SISI VOTE NOW!
Potencial Complejo	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:49:00 - [20] Edited by: Potencial Complejo on 10/11/2008 17:51:03 With respect that gm response is nonsense as it has been done before but in any case as its the account thats banned not the char i guess ill just use the well known workaround. Oh and lol at bob members and doing the right thing ;p
Gone'Postal Minmatar Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Potencial Complejo Edited by: Potencial Complejo on 10/11/2008 17:51:03 With respect that gm response is nonsense as it has been done before but in any case as its the account thats banned not the char i guess ill just use the well known workaround. Oh and lol at bob members and doing the right thing ;p Ah! I wanted the "crap" and take it back before I prove you wrong! thread.. Try scrapheap tho, and lots of other 3rd party websites that sell chars Boost SISI VOTE NOW!
Potencial Complejo	Posted - 2008.11.10 17:57:00 - [22] Mind you it was an ex bob member who made post selling forum banned char and was told to contact mods@ccp or whatever to discuss the issue maybe thats why i got nowhere ;p To SHC i go ;p
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2008.11.10 18:05:00 - [23] Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters and a forum ban will not be removed to allow an auction to take place. "But I allready gave him my isk !" * ouch * No, it's a joke, hey... A joke... Yeah... A stupid joke ? Ok... Fetchez la vache !
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:54:00 - [24] The main reason I think CCP response to this question is rubbish is that its actually posing more of a risk to other players. An officially sanctioned toon sale on the forum's is enforceable so offers the buyer protection on their isk. Buy forcing the seller to use other methods to advertise/sell his toon you put a buyer at risk to. Now there is a lot of people who may say the buyer should beware etc or that the seller did something wrong but was the seller banned from selling toon's? It doesn't sound like it, was the seller banned from playing? again it doesn't look like it. So a simple single (And moderated) post to allow the sale and give buyer protection is not circumnavigating a ban and it would be good customer service.
Manos Malos	Posted - 2008.11.11 02:01:00 - [25] Originally by: DrefsabZN it would be good customer service. They can't risk that, they have a reputation to protect.
Gojyu Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:10:00 - [26] Quote: buyer protection is not circumnavigating a ban and it would be good customer service. CCP have already shown customer service far beyond what's fair in this case. I'm personally a proponent of forum bans automatically extending to permanent in-game bans. The op, in this case, has lost the privilege of being allowed to voice his opinion on this forum. Unfortunately, this is easy enough to get around, but we're finally seeing some actual negative consequences for him being a tool. I applaud ccp for not caving in.
Wilma JugsJiggle	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:30:00 - [27] Originally by: doesnotcompute Originally by: GM Grimmi Sadly, we cannot make any changes to the status of banned/warned characters Of course you can. You choose not to. lol. Or maybe they really can't.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:58:00 - [28] I guess nobody here remembers the old days when they had the 'three strikes' rule - you would get a perma forum ban for three fairly minor infractions. It did stink, and you would end up with consequences like this which are pretty hard on the player. Especially if the character he wants to sell has never been banned, just that account. Modern DNA analysis of evidence from old crimes has shown a frightening number of innocent people have been put to death in the last 30 years in the USA. Mistakes happen. Maybe he got forum banned because he caught a GM on a bad day. I've had forum bans for no reason at all that I could see. Having permanent consequences like this is bad and CCP's inflexibility on the issue is bad business imo.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:41:00 - [29] Depending on the forum ban and when it was issued, if you petition under other and forums, we'll take a look at it and the character may be allowed back. This depends on what the original ban for and when it was issued. If you did not ask for a review when the forum amnesty was in place in December 2007 you have much more of a chance of it being rescinded than if the ban was issued after that date. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang


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