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Asa Sigrun
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Asa Sigrun on 10/11/2008 22:16:08
I bought in for a while, and I guess my question is what do you do in eve? Minning is just Isk grinding, mission running is so repetative that it is just grinding, Factional warfare seems like a reasonable option, but also poorly suited to new players because inteligent or not, avid reader of forums and wiki's or not, you have to sit around for a month or two to get appropriate skills to compete...
I want to jump in and get some action, but level 1 and 2 are SOO simple that even the poorest set up should prevail PVE, and PVP strength is primarily skill/age based not tactical. It feels like eve doesn't want me to have any fun.
Now Eve is a game so this probably isnt true. So, I ask you, the more experienced players of eve or better yet developers, where do I go to get a challenge where I should succeed without a lot of skills that isnt just a matter of turning on my modules and waiting for ships to disappear.
People talk about the learning curve to eve but I dont think its much of a learning curve. Read the market descriptions and attributes of most of the moduels and skills, ask a few questions of other players on how stacking penalties work and boom you're mostly done the background knowledge. Doesnt take 2 weeks. Waiting for your skill timer to catch up.... looks like thats going to take longer than the 3 months or so my account is good for right now. So how should I occupy my time? Kiting NPC's in a simple no thought little isk frigate? Or getting my brains blown out by Battle ships that I have no chance of beating as long as the pilot doesnt fall asleep?
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.10 22:30:00 -
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Grab a frigate, put guns on it, a tank and a scrambler. Go find someone to beat up.
Join a proper pvp corp, you can be useful to a pvp corp even at young age, all it takes is not being stupid and putting in some effort. tactics/effort >>>>> SP
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Lieff
Over Dosed
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:17:00 -
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Figure out what you wanna do then go do it, you wont be god in 2 weeks, but you wont be god in 2 years either. |
Capo Ricardo
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.11 00:39:00 -
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The great think about EVE is that it doesn't hold your hand. The main drawback to this, though, is that it lacks instant gratification sometimes. It's all about playing the way you want to, doing what you want to, and joining up with other people that have similar interests.
Hence... I still have yet to stumble upon an under 18 eve player. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.11 01:50:00 -
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Get into a corp and do stuff. EVE is -not- a game that you will have fun in by playing alone.
 Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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texass97
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Posted - 2008.11.12 00:04:00 -
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You might try this. I did and am enjoying it alot.
Noob Mercs
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Reniara Silas
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Sigrun
Edited by: Asa Sigrun on 10/11/2008 22:16:08
I bought in for a while, and I guess my question is what do you do in eve?
Short answer: Whatever the hell I feel like doing at any given time.
Longer answer: This isn't the kind of game where you're led around by the nose. I believe the term (usually used derisively) is "MMO on rails". EVE doesn't fit that description. If you want to "jump in and get some action", go right ahead. Nothing's stopping you from doing so. If you don't want to do level 1 & 2 missions, that could cause problems (since you really need to in order to build standing so you can get level 3s and 4s) but tag along with a friend and do 3s and 4s. You don't have to have 15+ mil SP to be useful. My trader alt tags along with a friend doing L3s and all she does is salvage his wrecks. After the mission is over, we split the proceeds (well, not really. Usually he just tells me to keep it all unless there's a piece/pieces he's looking for).
You say you want challenge? Are you saying that because it sounds nice or do you mean it? Challenge is facing off against a cruiser in your frig and coming out smoking while the other guy's naked in space in his pod. Challenge is plotting out the exact skill progression you need to do more with less. Challenge is the human element of EVE, whether it's market based, combat based, or anything else. As you say, missions are yawn-worthy and you're right (for the most part). Mining can be challenging depending on where you are and what you're flying (and who's with you). Take your Osprey (or equivalent) to a 0.3 system and clear two belts...without losing said Osprey (or equivalent).
Use your inexperience to your advantage. Because you (and I'll be honest here, I) don't know all the ins and outs of New Eden, we can find challenge a lot easier than a 4 or 5 year vet. Challenge is all around you. But, no one, not the game, not other players, not the developers, is going to tell you exactly what challenge is best for you. That's because only one person knows for sure exactly what kind of challenge you're looking for. Ask that person what challenge is best for you. 
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.12 04:01:00 -
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Challenge is the human element of EVE, whether it's market based, combat based, or anything else. As you say, missions are yawn-worthy and you're right (for the most part). Mining can be challenging depending on where you are and what you're flying (and who's with you). Take your Osprey (or equivalent) to a 0.3 system and clear two belts...without losing said Osprey (or equivalent).
Sigworthy.
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/11/2008 06:46:58
Most MMOs have that carrot on a stick that's just out of reach yet worth chasing after. In EvE Online, that carrot is on a 10,000km pole and you need binoculars to see it. Really ****es me off that the first month or two you're not going to be able to do much of anything except train skills.
Challenges are good so long as there's a clear goal in sight. Without a goal it's no longer a challenge, it's a nuisance.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
Most MMOs have that carrot on a stick that's just out of reach yet worth chasing after. In EvE Online, that carrot is on a 10,000km pole and you need binoculars to see it.
There is no carrot. Certainly, no carrot like this that you're speaking of. It would be more accurate to say that EVE is a 10,000km pole studded with carrots all the way up, but there's no super-carrot at the top...
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Really ****es me off that the first month or two you're not going to be able to do much of anything except train skills.
Sure - with that attitude. Skills just limit what gear you can use and how effectively, but they don't really limit your playstyle as much as you would think. Pirates roll up trial account alts all the time, give them a few hours of training and then go out and (successfully) kill people. It's about the human aspect, much more than you would think, and when you're starting off all skills are easily attainable, such that in a day or two you can give your character a notable improvement in a particular area. But you need to have the focus on actually acheiving something rather than just resigning yourself to training skills for a couple of months - if you do, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Challenges are good so long as there's a clear goal in sight. Without a goal it's no longer a challenge, it's a nuisance.
I'll agree with this. And as noted above, EVE will not hold your hand or give you goals. You need to set your own goals here, and so if you don't have a clear goal there's some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that it's your own fault. The good news is that it's entirely within your power to change. Set yourself those goals - run a level 2 mission in a frigate, mine out some low-sec belts without getting popped, rack up 5 pirate kills in lowsec, get your wallet up to 50m ISK through trading, make a trip to 0.0 (and perhaps set up a jump clone while you're there), train to use your first T2 module, train salvaging (if necessary) and ninja-salvage in lowsec after battles, join FW and set up a nice cheap destroyer to help your militiamates, etc. All kinds of stuff you can do with little or no training (a few days at most), so you can't use low skills as an excuse. In fact, most of these carry some risk with them, and the more you experience them now, when you don't have that much to lose, the less painful the inevitable yet educational mistakes will be. Just sitting in an NPC corp, training skills and running missions for a year or two won't make you a very competant pilot.
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Renier Gaden
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:18:00 -
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My early goal was to become self sufficient in a 0.1 system. I ran some missions and did some mining to buy blueprints, since you canÆt always buy what you want in 0.1, and found myself a nice 0.1 system. Mining solo in 0.1 is usually quite exciting and will teach you a lot about PVP (or at least the receiving end of it). It is always quite a frill to get out alive. You can learn a lot by talking to the pirates after an encounter to discuss tactics. You usually donÆt get bothered too much running level 1 and 2 missions in low sec. I am still nostalgic about my first month in the game.
I did level 2 Blockade in a frigate once. I learned a lot about mission tactics doing that.
Now that I am running level 3 missions I have become a juicy target and am more likely to get ganked while running missions in low sec. (I will give a shout out to the Bastards {corp name} for being the most skilled and efficient gankers I have encountered. I was impressed.) Now I have new excitement as my alliance keep war decÆing the biggest, most powerful Aliances in the game, or the most hardened pirates, so that high sec becomes lowsec for me.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:51:00 -
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Sounds like fun means different things to different people.
I'm having quite a bit of fun just mining and learning about trading. I'm running level two missons at present, and yeah, those are boring if you chain more than two together at a time, IMO. While following the skill path to get into a Hulk as soon as possible, I find myself getting distracted by the little things like trying out MWD's on some of my ships, getting maximum cargo capacity on my haulers, putting T2 strip miners on my Retriever, browsing the market trying to discern trends, and just things like that.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 21:10:00 -
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If you have to ask....
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Ben Booley
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.11.13 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Capo Ricardo
Hence... I still have yet to stumble upon an under 18 eve player.
Sup? I'm 17 and this is my second or third year playing. Still having tons of fun 
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.11.13 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Sigrun
It feels like eve doesn't want me to have any fun.
The cool thing is, you don't have to play EVE at all! You could go out, watch a movie, maybe meet a girl. You could read a book. You could do some homework, or stay late at the office. You could play in the mud with your kids.
Find something you DO enjoy, and everyone wins.
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Asa Sigrun
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Posted - 2008.11.13 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ka Jolo
Originally by: Asa Sigrun
It feels like eve doesn't want me to have any fun.
The cool thing is, you don't have to play EVE at all! You could go out, watch a movie, maybe meet a girl. You could read a book. You could do some homework, or stay late at the office. You could play in the mud with your kids.
Find something you DO enjoy, and everyone wins.
Now thats counter productive, you shouldn't have bothered posting. This thread is asking how does eve live up to its rep as a thinking learning balanced pvp mmo. Because as a relatively new player From where I sit it looks like a grind fest.
More generally speaking,
The only good advice came right at the start, find some pvp players who are nice enough to help teach you and go kill some people... It certainly doesnt eliminate the grindfest, especially in the first month, but at least now I can see the game actually starting in another week or so once I've got the basic skills covered and I'm down to collecting some level fives to round out my basic combat and get me into some t2 ships.
Just because I asked the advice of more experienced players does not mean I am younger than you, assuming so is not polite. It is not surprising you havent met anyone under 18 with those social skills, I've only been here a few weeks and I've already met a few.
At anyrate, I'm glad eve does have its fun bits, and thanks to those who offered advice. Now I have somewhere to play until GW2 comes out :P
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.13 09:12:00 -
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I found that when I was a new player that I had to change what I was doing often to keep from getting bored (hell, I still have to). What I found fun were the complexes. Low end levels 1-3 can be done in frigates and can be pretty exciting taking on a ton of other NPC frigs.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Sigrun
...you have to sit around for a month or two to get appropriate skills to compete...
I suggest you re-evaluate your concept of appropriate skills.
I have known people to have been out killing other players mere days after joining the game. The basics for a usable pvp frigate do not take long to train, and the ships are easy to replace.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.13 20:52:00 -
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It's been said already, but seriously it bears repeating: PvP.
As long as you can fit guns, tackle, and some kind of appropriate protection the relative level of those skills don't matter. If you wait until you have tens of millions of SP before you experience PvP stuff, you'll only be marginally better than if you go out and do it now with lower skills. It doesn't take months to train up to a point where you won't simply embarrass yourself when fighting another player. Increased PvP skill comes only from experience. It also helps if you have at least one wingman and the two (or more) of you have a sense of coordination.
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Cromzor
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:22:00 -
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I have the same concerns as the OP. The only thing I can think of is group pvp. As a new player you will never win a 1vs1 fight, ever. The average SP of the rest of the player base will own you every time and the chances of finding an equal or lesser SP player is nil. You need to rely on the combined SP of yourself with other players to become effective.
So much like all MMOs, find a group.
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Tandin
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tandin on 13/11/2008 23:03:15
one thing a lot of people lose sight of is this:
Regardless of how much time you put into the game, regardless of how many SP or ISK you accrue, at the end of the day you are playing an internet spaceship game. No matter how much work or how much love you have for your ship, eventually the server will go offline permanently when CCP pulls the plug on Eve. For that reason, treating this stuff as seriously as a Real Life (tm) endeavor is self defeating.
Earn money, buy ships, go out and explore, get them blown up, and rinse and repeat. Don't be afraid to lose your ship and enjoy the ride because in the end we will all lose them. It's not like you can trade it all in and see a shiny new Absolution sitting on your front lawn.
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Capo Ricardo
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Sigrun
Just because I asked the advice of more experienced players does not mean I am younger than you, assuming so is not polite. It is not surprising you havent met anyone under 18 with those social skills, I've only been here a few weeks and I've already met a few.
Hmm, social skills? Who's not being polite now? If you want social skills I can chainsaw you in GOW2 if you want. |
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