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svarog tupan	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:07:00 - [1] C'mon CCP ! You really love to nerf things. It doens't matters for you if someone trained ages to be a spacialist in something. - NOS Nerfing - Speed Nerfing - Drone Nerfing - Web / Scram Nerfing Are you all kidding on CCP ? I have some good ideas for the next path ! - For each hp of damage you do, you will loose the same ammount of structure - For each 1000 HP of armor / Shield, you will loose 10% of speed - If you fit EW, yor ship's locking range will be recuded by 75% STOP NERFING THINGS ! ADD SOME KIND OF COUNTERMEASURE TO BALANCE SOMETHING YOU THINK IS TOO POWERFUL ! It looks like CCP wants to level the game from below. Sad.
Samaritan Azuma Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:09:00 - [2] this thread has a " been there, done that." feel If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Sodoomee	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:13:00 - [3] LETS nerf the name of this game guys !!!!! EVE on NERF that should do it !! Rofl ....
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:16:00 - [4] It's not nerfs, it's balance. Look at the things you bring up; NOS - Everyone fitted it, everyone had to fit it, and it swung things in advantage to Gallente, heavily, since they could use drones and drop few gun hardpoints for NOS. NOS alone was one of the reasons Amarr was bad for a long time, the race itself was never really subpar. Best NOS-counter was NOS itself. Speed - Everyone fitted it, and the best counter was to speed back. Drone - Everone used medium drones over light. Tracking was good enough for small ships, and light drones were too slow to catch fast ships anyway. Web/Scram - That came with the speed rebalanced, with alot slower ships the web would've been more powerful than before in it's current state. Personally not sure if this change was for the better, only time can tell, but it was a part of a big rework, not a single module nerf. In the first cases you see some common themes. "Everyone fits" and a good counter to the strategy used is to fit the same yourself. Remember the warp core stab nerf? Remember the ECM nerf? Remember the hp buff? They were all done to "commit players to fighting", i.e. make it harder to run. With the changes to speed, scrambler and web, that's exactly what CCP is still doing. Trying to make people stick to a fight. Personally I'd loved to see the webs gain some range while having the 60%, but still, it goes in line with other changes. If you look at it over time, it's perfect logic and sense, and it does go in-line with other changes. CCP wants players to commit to a fight. Get into a fight? You stay in fight until someone goes down. That's the idea.
CanalGoose	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:17:00 - [5] I agree with Sodoomee change the name altogether Eve on NERF
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:18:00 - [6] OP needs to have his new topic link nerfed.
Maximus Quintilius	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:36:00 - [7] Sure... They never nerfs anything...
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:36:00 - [8] If a CCP representative were to reply this thread, it would be something about the delicate weighing scales of balance and how whatever change you make to anything is a nerf to something. Either a nerf to one item making it a buff to everything else. Or a buff to one item, making it a nerf for everything else. Although maybe there is the small possibility they should be on the buff side of stuff more, despite the fact it's just a nerf for everything else, it definetely goes a lot more unnoticed.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:41:00 - [9] hey guys, great idea here! let's nerf the nerfs! /sarc ----- Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:49:00 - [10] Originally by: svarog tupan - NOS Nerfing - Speed Nerfing - Drone Nerfing - Web / Scram Nerfing - NOSs were hugely overpowered before the cap percentage balance feature was added - Speed was nerfed in the past because CCP didn't like it. Speed is nerfed tomorrow because CCP still doesn't like it. - I could go either way on the medium drone thing. To put it in a positive light, CCP seems to be clarifying that they want any given weapon size to be most effective against targets of equal size, as opposed to smaller targets. It's why tracking and explosion velocity were added way back when, and it's just getting refined a little further tomorrow. - Scrams are buffed by being able to shut off a MWD. The web change is to compensate for the speed change.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.11 00:52:00 - [11] If you want RPS go play a bad RTS. - DesuSigs
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:02:00 - [12] I don't see this as a 'speed nerf'; I see it as a 'boost to tracking against high-speed targets'. Or, to put it another way ... a 'rebalancing'. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to. -- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Maximus Quintilius	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:14:00 - [13] Makes SOME sense but to be honest it doesn't looks natural to see weapons and modules evolving in the wrong direction every time they think something is overpowered. Just boof the countermeasure. If you have invulnerable ceptors, make a longer range web that will work only against ceptors or in nanoed ships, or a new kind of missile, whatever. I agree that CCP nerfs too much and people that trained a lot to achieve some particular result are always penalized. Instead of nerfing why dont they think better before making some module/ship ? Still ridiculous.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Maximus Quintilius Makes SOME sense but to be honest it doesn't looks natural to see weapons and modules evolving in the wrong direction every time they think something is overpowered. Just boof the countermeasure. If you have invulnerable ceptors, make a longer range web that will work only against ceptors or in nanoed ships, or a new kind of missile, whatever. Following this methodology, they might as well cut the crap and just replace all modules with papers, rocks and scissorses.
Maximus Quintilius	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:33:00 - [15] Following this methodology, they might as well cut the crap and just replace all modules with papers, rocks and scissorses. How do you think the game works internally ?
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Maximus Quintilius Makes SOME sense but to be honest it doesn't looks natural to see weapons and modules evolving in the wrong direction every time they think something is overpowered. Just boof the countermeasure. If you have invulnerable ceptors, make a longer range web that will work only against ceptors or in nanoed ships, or a new kind of missile, whatever. Following this methodology, they might as well cut the crap and just replace all modules with papers, rocks and scissorses. Which is pretty much what they are doing anyway.
svarog tupan	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:38:00 - [17] Exactly Szent !!
Zhenga Black Thorn Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:48:00 - [18] Originally by: svarog tupan C'mon CCP ! You really love to nerf things. It doens't matters for you if someone trained ages to be a spacialist in something. - NOS Nerfing - Speed Nerfing - Drone Nerfing - Web / Scram Nerfing Are you all kidding on CCP ? I have some good ideas for the next path ! - For each hp of damage you do, you will loose the same ammount of structure - For each 1000 HP of armor / Shield, you will loose 10% of speed - If you fit EW, yor ship's locking range will be recuded by 75% STOP NERFING THINGS ! ADD SOME KIND OF COUNTERMEASURE TO BALANCE SOMETHING YOU THINK IS TOO POWERFUL ! It looks like CCP wants to level the game from below. Sad. Guess my Curse is kind of junk then now
svarog tupan	Posted - 2008.11.11 01:55:00 - [19] Your curse, Ishtars... Imagine how mad people that trained to those ships are feeling !
Miguel Rodriguez	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:06:00 - [20] How terrible. People will actually have to change their tactics? Oh noes! The sky, it is falling! Deal.

Jack Gilligan Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:08:00 - [21] It takes less ability to destroy than to create. Which is why MMO Devs nerf rather than enhance. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:09:00 - [22] 60% of my SPs are spread across virtually every sub-capital Spaceship Command and gunnery/missile skill in the game. Bring it on, Quantum Rise, my self-nerf vis-a-vis skill generalization pays off at times like these.
oingo Gallente Pedestrian Wolves	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:34:00 - [23] Welcome to "Nerf Online!" I totally aggree that nerfing this game is way out of hand! It seems CCP has too many employees that need to justify a paycheck so any lame ass idea is seen as contributing to the company and justification for the next pay check. I honestly hope the next nerf for eve is DEV NERF 5.0. Try enhacement's instead of taking away the things that made this game great!! FFS implants even got nerfed!!! The thing i liked about eve was how i could get owned, learn how to counter that and than payback!! Its all about learning. learn to counter, learn to adapt. After all the learning bs ccp puts us through with crap skills like learning, you would think they had this figured out by now.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:38:00 - [24] Instead of just claiming everything is "nerfed", please visit the Features and Ideas section and propose some ideas regarding change and balance. Locked. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, [gold]EVE Online



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