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Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:18:00 - [1] Need folks to help me with this one im afraid. Ive been using my Hawk since Tranq came up, and pre-patch i could near enough perma-tank the sentries solo. Now, however, im finding it extremely tough. Anyone fancy helping me out, and giving another opinion?
Scardin Minmatar Malum Crusis IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Scardin on 12/11/2008 00:48:43 Wouldnt be suprised if they ninja buffed the sentries a bit. Another way to F*** over the pirates D/l patch now, will test it when i get on
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:19:00 - [3] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Cushan Capitalist War Machine	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:20:00 - [4] Could have something to do with the speed changes.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:21:00 - [5] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 hawk = assault ship right? Correct. And before you say about it tanking sentries, yes it did tank the sentries solo, on its own, prepatch. Which is why im somewhat confused, as i saw nothing of sentry gun or hawk changes in the patch notes. Bar from the aesthetics.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Cushan Could have something to do with the speed changes. True, however ot my knowledge, sentry guns did full damage, regardless. And this is with my hawk at 0ms
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:36:00 - [7] senries dont have tracking Adapt or Die
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.12 02:03:00 - [8] Originally by: whisk senries dont have tracking Or rather they have tracking of 1000 rads/sec like concord.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:23:00 - [9] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . They have no tracking, no optimal, and no falloff. They always hit if you are within 150km of the object they are protecting.
Lara Torrin Gallente Torrin Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:00:00 - [10] The NPC shot rebalanced thing perhaps? (More damage, less shots, supposedly the same DPS.. For less DB stress) Geez.. Those DB servers should just harden the **** up. I mean, crunching numbers?! Thats what your supposed to do!
Aesheera Amarr Malum Crusis IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:12:00 - [11] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto They have no tracking, no optimal, and no falloff. They always hit if you are within 150km of the object they are protecting. Sentries do track actually. No tracking equals hitting nothing. -- It's Great Being Amarr, Isn't It?!?! We are recruiting pirates! Clicky!
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 09:16:00 - [12] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . Faction tank + LG crystals + max skills. :)
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.12 09:34:00 - [13] Maybe you were able to tank them because of a bug? I mean if they are supposed to not suffer from tracking and all that, how were you able to tank them before? Diary of a pod pilot
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Maybe you were able to tank them because of a bug? I mean if they are supposed to not suffer from tracking and all that, how were you able to tank them before? As i stated....Skills, implants, faction mods. It wasnt a bug. EFT even gave me the readout of what i could tank, and it was slightly above what sentries could chuck out. It wasnt a bug.
Doc Iridium Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:20:00 - [15] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . They have no tracking, no optimal, and no falloff. They always hit if you are within 150km of the object they are protecting. Station sentries hit at longer ranges than that when defending NPC transports, or they used to. in Jel, I took an Armageddon out 200km from the closest gun and 170km or so from the closest transport and fired on transports. I did recieve station sentry fire. This was on Sisi, urm, 6 months or so ago. Things could have changed. Well, I've said my piece - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot!
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Doc Iridium Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . They have no tracking, no optimal, and no falloff. They always hit if you are within 150km of the object they are protecting. Station sentries hit at longer ranges than that when defending NPC transports, or they used to. in Jel, I took an Armageddon out 200km from the closest gun and 170km or so from the closest transport and fired on transports. I did recieve station sentry fire. This was on Sisi, urm, 6 months or so ago. Things could have changed. The object would have been the station, not the haulers. As such, you were most likely within 150km of the station.
Doc Iridium Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Doc Iridium Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2008 01:21:35 hawk = assault ship right? EDIT: i doubt the ninja buffed the sentry guns, idk how this guy was tanking sentry guns in an asault frig, but anyway, it very well could be a result of the nano nerf, i konw sentries have good tracking, so maybe if your going slower as a result, THAT could be why they are buffed? sorry, ive never heard of an assault ship tanking sentry guns . . . . They have no tracking, no optimal, and no falloff. They always hit if you are within 150km of the object they are protecting. Station sentries hit at longer ranges than that when defending NPC transports, or they used to. in Jel, I took an Armageddon out 200km from the closest gun and 170km or so from the closest transport and fired on transports. I did recieve station sentry fire. This was on Sisi, urm, 6 months or so ago. Things could have changed. The object would have been the station, not the haulers. As such, you were most likely within 150km of the station. Aha, that might be the case, I believe I tested it after they changed the docking radius and exit velocities of stations, can't remember when that change went in. Well, I've said my piece - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot!
Naz Ram Amarr Miskatonic Studies Group Ltd.	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:42:00 - [18] I noticed last night that Onyxia Deep Breaths... Oh wait!
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Session9 Malum Exuro	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:53:00 - [19] At a guess...I'd say that in order to try and save database requests I'm willing to bet that the sentry guns are now doing 'grouped' damage instead of firing individually (when possible), which will cause higher volley damage in a short period of time giving your tank a heart attack every volley instead of the damage being a bit more spread out. The difference may just be enough to push the edge on your tank. That is, previously your average 'low' point on your tank was say...30% or so, hitting near the max passive recharge on the shields plus whatever active boost you are running. (if you are not running an active boost, this applies doubly so) With the new and improved single volleys they've probably put together your tank is dipping below that, and there's a pretty serious degredation in passive recharge below 30% shields which might just be the dipping point. Just as a guess. -- Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:29:00 - [20] I'm guessing it's the more burst damage thing too. I wonder how this'll effect passive drakes when mission running... =/
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:32:00 - [21] Actually, that wont have made a difference. Its a full on active tank, with little real ehp. As for the 'grouped damage', this is testing solo on a gate. So its not that im getting 'dispersed fire'. And again, the burst fire wont have made a difference, as i used to be able to rep the dps. My passive regen wouldnt have made a significant difference. Not in what im seeing, atleast.
RubberDuckey Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:50:00 - [22] I would have to agree that something with Sentries have changed. An alliance mate and me did a 1v1 and he took me almost to structure in my Harbinger him in a Mega and stopped firing I was pretty much pure tank with double reps. The sentries went ahead and popped my ship where prepatch my 2 reppers handled sentry fire easily.
Whatchu	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:38:00 - [23] Could it have something to do with changes either to the sig radius of sentry guns or changes to the sig radii of ships?
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Whatchu Could it have something to do with changes either to the sig radius of sentry guns or changes to the sig radii of ships? Nah mate. As stated further up, sentries arent affected by velocity or sig. Full damage, regardless. And even if that were the case, the ships havent been altered.
Tnam Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:36:00 - [25] Wax, The hawk no longer has its extra resistance bonuses that it had before, they were removed to give agility love, so you have lost a 75% bonus to kinetic and thermal resists (which was 15% per level to shield for caldari frigate skill). This is why the sentries are pwning you. /Tnam
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Tnam Wax, The hawk no longer has its extra resistance bonuses that it had before, they were removed to give agility love, so you have lost a 75% bonus to kinetic and thermal resists (which was 15% per level to shield for caldari frigate skill). This is why the sentries are pwning you. /Tnam To my knowledge, those bonuses were already 'applied' to the ship. Apparantly, the resists were with the frig skill, and as you needed frig 5 to use them, CCP just gave the ship those bonuses in any case. Hence why its lost that in the description. But, if this is the case, it would explain it for my hawk. But not the other folks who've noticed a change of some form. So confused
Tnam Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:15:00 - [27] Yea you are right on this, I checked. confusing.. I did witness you tanking the sentries too.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:10:00 - [28] K - Ive had numerous folks on TS say the same thing now. Not about the hawk in particular, but in general "My ship could tank these, and now im struggling". Doubt CCP will, but if a Mod reads this, mind checking it out with a Dev/GM? Dont want to clutter up the bug petitions - Sure theres enough already
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:55:00 - [29] I lost a Hype to an Onyx, Drake and Hurricane and Sentries right after installing the patch. Frankly it felt like the sentries were hitting a little harder than usual, but I thought I was imagining things. Maybe I wasn't. I'm not sure tbh. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Originally by: Horza Otho [06:36:47] Horza Otho > its all good, everytime i fit a mega i play some mariah carey in the backround
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.14 10:51:00 - [30] Likewise I suspect a stealth boost SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order

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