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Naim Mee
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:23:00 -
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I'm seeing them already in contracts and in local chat. I just want the real scoop from CCP if possible.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:24:00 -
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Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:26:00 -
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I'm going out on a limb to say that I believe the same rules that apply to GTCs apply here. 
When in doubt, petition a GM for an answer.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
Pilot X buys a GTC with dollars. Pilot X sells it for isk. Pilot X buys a battleship. I scam him out of his battleship within the rules of the EULA.
Does that mean I'm scamming him out of actual money?
IMO, once they became items that could be sold on market, they became subject to the same scam rules as any other item.
If it becomes a problem CCP will get rid of the functionality (like they have hinted before) rather than classify it as an exploit and try to enforce it. Hopefully it remains as is.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fahtim Meidires
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
Pilot X buys a GTC with dollars. Pilot X sells it for isk. Pilot X buys a battleship. I scam him out of his battleship within the rules of the EULA.
Does that mean I'm scamming him out of actual money?
IMO, once they became items that could be sold on market, they became subject to the same scam rules as any other item.
If it becomes a problem CCP will get rid of the functionality (like they have hinted before) rather than classify it as an exploit and try to enforce it. Hopefully it remains as is.
Scamming the actual cards themselves ... I see that as being illegal.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
As soon as he converts it into an ingame item, it is no longer his, he has effectively given it away to ccp
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tarin adur
Gallente
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fahtim Meidires
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
Pilot X buys a GTC with dollars. Pilot X sells it for isk. Pilot X buys a battleship. I scam him out of his battleship within the rules of the EULA.
Does that mean I'm scamming him out of actual money?
IMO, once they became items that could be sold on market, they became subject to the same scam rules as any other item.
If it becomes a problem CCP will get rid of the functionality (like they have hinted before) rather than classify it as an exploit and try to enforce it. Hopefully it remains as is.
I'm not entirely sure of the process,but don't they buy the gtc with real isk,which then becomes this Plex thing, at which point it is an ingame item but it was still bought with real money,and the one who bought it did not receive anything if it is scammed...Ignore me if this makes no sense.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:38:00 -
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I see it quite simply;
If you want a guarantee, go to the forums and use the official system.
If you want a guarantee, buy it on the market for its face value.
All other methods involve some risk and its up to the user's discretion about what he does.
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
As soon as he converts it into an ingame item, it is no longer his, he has effectively given it away to ccp
But it still has actual monetary worth.
... If scamming this card is not considered an exploit, this feature should've never been introduced. Losing RL cash is no laughing matter.
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Naim Mee
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:44:00 -
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We need a ruling from CCP in writing on this to be honest. This can't be left in a grey area when it involves real money.
Im not for or against the idea..i just think we need CCP to make a rule on it one way or the other.
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Naim Mee
We need a ruling from CCP in writing on this to be honest. This can't be left in a grey area when it involves real money.
I guarantee that will result in people sticking only to the forum method. Which is fine for sellers. Buyers, however . . . would then be stripped of the option to buy 30 day increments since nobody will be selling them.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:59:00 -
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I believe the scamming CCP is talking about is player A sends isk to player B then player B sends random numbers (or an already used code) to player A.
If you type in 55M instead of 550M in the "secure method" then too bad, so sad, you are dumb.
I assume that same goes for TQ, if you make a mistake typing, too bad, learn to type.
Clarification would be nice, people asked for it in the dev blog.
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Khaeldon
Golden Clover Astrogeologists
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:00:00 -
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How are these things purchased for selling on the market anyway?
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
I believe the scamming CCP is talking about is player A sends isk to player B then player B sends random numbers (or an already used code) to player A.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean. The game wouldn't give you a PLEX if you typed in the incorrect code. And if it doesn't give you a PLEX, you don't have a PLEX to sell in the first place.
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Khaeldon
How are these things purchased for selling on the market anyway?
https://secure.eve-online.com/etc.aspx
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Khaeldon
Golden Clover Astrogeologists
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Originally by: Khaeldon
How are these things purchased for selling on the market anyway?
https://secure.eve-online.com/etc.aspx
Yes but where do you input the actual gtc to receive the sellable ingame item?
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21 Salvager
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Khaeldon
Yes but where do you input the actual gtc to receive the sellable ingame item?
On the Esc menu while docked in a station.
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: 21 Salvager
Originally by: Khaeldon
Yes but where do you input the actual gtc to receive the sellable ingame item?
On the Esc menu while docked in a station.
Look for the "CONVERT" button near the logoff/quit/close/apply ones.
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AkRoYeR
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
I forsee this being outlawed to be honest because you're stealing actual MONEY if this item is scammed. Someone paid actual money for this item.
As soon as he converts it into an ingame item, it is no longer his, he has effectively given it away to ccp
This without a doubt!
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Khaeldon
Golden Clover Astrogeologists
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:17:00 -
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ah thanks for clarifying that
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Naim Mee
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:20:00 -
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So in effect CCP could just say that you are actually cashing in your GTC when you convert it to a plex token? Does the game tell you this now when you cash them in?
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Triksterism
Gallente
Frozen Corpse Inspection Services
United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:22:00 -
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Did I miss something? What are these PLEX license things people are talking about?
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Triksterism
Did I miss something? What are these PLEX license things people are talking about?
+ Buy 60 DAY GTC.
+Log into EVE.
+ Convert 60 DAY GTC into 2x30 DAY PLEX (Pilot License Extension Contracts).
+ Sell PLEXes in Contracts (globally viewable) and Markets (not globally viewable).
+ Buy PLEX from player. Activate it. Get 30 days added to account.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Put it this way. Currently, there are no exceptions to scamming rules for in-game items. Until ccp announce it as an exploit, you're fine
Hmm, I nominate you to be the test subject of that theory.
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Cyb3r Thr3at
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:52:00 -
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****in parasites!
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3card Monty
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:58:00 -
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A little reply from CCP would still be nice.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 10:03:00 -
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Everything in EVE involves real money, just a little less directly than this.
Also, none of these are scams, they are typos. All typos. Prove me wrong.
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Jeirth
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jeirth on 12/11/2008 11:43:41
Personally, I foresee a future where those who scam with the tokens will get lifetime bans, as they are effectively removing other players from CCP's game, which is not something CCP will encourage.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Edit: Oh and CCP don't have to prove anything, they just have to decide something isn't what they want, we pay them to play their game, its up to them to decide who they allow to play their game and how they can play it.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:46:00 -
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You exchange gtc for token, virtual items arent protected such as tokens. Dont liek tokens? Sell at forum/trade chanell with old method.
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It's not a good idea to place a Exotic Dancers in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancers will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
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