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ViperVenom Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:27:00 - [1] Edited by: ViperVenom on 12/11/2008 16:29:41 Well since all of Eve slowed down and AF got a bit faster.. how do u fit your Hug/Rapier? I mean TBH not much really changed if u ask me Daul 60% web will still slow u to a crawl. I belive these ships are going to do what they were inteded to do destroy smaller ships//web//paint let gang pwn.. Hug gang fit Hi- 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage Hvy Missle II Your choice Hvy Missle II Your choice Hvy Missle II Your choice Med- Mwd II Tp II <--Who would have thought Web II Web II Invul II LSE II Low- DCU II BCU II BCU II Rig- Kin shield res Fall off Drones- 4 HammerHead II or 5 WarriorII and Ecm --Ok i like the BCUII due to the fact you will be fightin at a range and most your DPS will be from missles also your in a gang not solo.. Rapier-Gang Hi- 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage Cloak <--Duh Med Mwd II Tp II <--Who would have thought Web II Web II Sens Boster II (Scan Res script) ECCM RSD (Scan res) Low- MARII EXP Hardner II Kin Hardner II DCU II Rig- Tri Mark Tri Mark Drones- 4 HammerHead II or 5 WarriorII and Ecm Armor tanked Rapier.. why not? I know it diffrent but i think this is what im going to run with in QR Pwnage new and Improved! Role Players.. The same D&D kids but now they are 30 and balding.
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:33:00 - [2] If you are going to put trimarks on the rapier I would put a 1600mm plate and then see what else you can fit after, have a fit I will post later if I remember.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:36:00 - [3] Hughin: 1 LSE may be more degrading than beneficial: especailly considering the rigs, as BS guns will track you easier, and missiles will hit for more. You need a cpl to really get any decent advantage. Try fitting a shield booster. Yes youll cap out, but if you swap the kinetic resist rig to ccc or cap size rig, it wont be too bad (you may have a kinetic hole, but youll probly get hit for less and hence last longer anyway.) Rapier: Unless your only using the sensor booster due to cpu issues, swap it for a point. Its always nice to have a heavy tackler, especially if your roaming around in recon gangs. Otherwise those fits look pretty nice :D (And they were whining that the nerf wld be the death of minmi recons..LOL) EVE history Missiles post-nerf
ViperVenom Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:59:00 - [4] Well well put like i said i ahve not tried any of these set ups yet.. and i DID NOT EFT them.. These are just tweaks to what i flew any how. I shall take a look at diffece a SB makes as opposed to a LSEII/Kin I like trimarks on the Rapier due the 1600 will kill the handleing of it... Pwnage new and Improved! Role Players.. The same D&D kids but now they are 30 and balding.
royal killer Amarr Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:05:00 - [5] Originally by: ViperVenom Edited by: ViperVenom on 12/11/2008 16:29:41 Well since all of Eve slowed down and AF got a bit faster.. how do u fit your Hug/Rapier? I mean TBH not much really changed if u ask me Daul 60% web will still slow u to a crawl. I belive these ships are going to do what they were inteded to do destroy smaller ships//web//paint let gang pwn.. Hug gang fit Hi- 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage Hvy Missle II Your choice Hvy Missle II Your choice Hvy Missle II Your choice Med- Mwd II Tp II <--Who would have thought Web II Web II Invul II LSE II Low- DCU II BCU II BCU II Rig- Kin shield res Fall off Drones- 4 HammerHead II or 5 WarriorII and Ecm --Ok i like the BCUII due to the fact you will be fightin at a range and most your DPS will be from missles also your in a gang not solo.. Rapier-Gang Hi- 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage 220 AC II Barage Cloak <--Duh Med Mwd II Tp II <--Who would have thought Web II Web II Sens Boster II (Scan Res script) ECCM RSD (Scan res) Low- MARII EXP Hardner II Kin Hardner II DCU II Rig- Tri Mark Tri Mark Drones- 4 HammerHead II or 5 WarriorII and Ecm Armor tanked Rapier.. why not? I know it diffrent but i think this is what im going to run with in QR Plz sort that thing out, its like one giant fitt, and hurts my eyes -------------------- ding ding! Wrangler: Hello and w ding ding! Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners.
dca0508 Epic Fail Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:53:00 - [6] Originally by: BiggestT Hughin: 1 LSE may be more degrading than beneficial: especailly considering the rigs, as BS guns will track you easier, and missiles will hit for more. You need a cpl to really get any decent advantage. Try fitting a shield booster. Yes youll cap out, but if you swap the kinetic resist rig to ccc or cap size rig, it wont be too bad (you may have a kinetic hole, but youll probly get hit for less and hence last longer anyway.) Well even if u remove a LSE u still have the MWD making u a bigass target. I tried to getting a decent fit with AB on EFT but i wont go over 850m/s Highs: 3x HML T2, 3x 180mmm T2 Med: 1x Point T2 2x webbers, 1x 10mn AB T2, 1x Med SB T2, 1x TP Lows: DC T2, OD T2, Nano T2, (im sure the lows can be changed to better stuff tbh) Rigs: 2x Aux Thrusters
Commander Tigre Minmatar Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:21:00 - [7] I am sorry to tell you gents, but the dual webs SUCK now. At 60% dual webbing on a target ONLY traveling 4750 m/s (interceptor or fast tackle frig), the new speed while being webbed is about 750 m/s. How can you consider this dead slow? The Huginn and Rapier are now TP recons rather than webbing recons. Webs are now USELESS, whereas warp scrambers are more effective at slowing down a target and dual pointing to boot. Minnie recons are useless, especially the Huginn. "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre
ViperVenom Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:22:00 - [8] Ummmm.. Im a tad bit lost here U have Hams and 180's MWD and Aux thrusters I looks like a pre QR fitting to me. I thought Hug/Rapiers were ment to dictate range? With that fit u only hitting stuff at maybe 17km with max missle skills. Is there some thing im missing if so please tell me so i can understand how this can work post QR. Pwnage new and Improved! Role Players.. The same D&D kids but now they are 30 and balding.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Commander Tigre I am sorry to tell you gents, but the dual webs SUCK now. At 60% dual webbing on a target ONLY traveling 4750 m/s (interceptor or fast tackle frig), the new speed while being webbed is about 750 m/s. How can you consider this dead slow? The Huginn and Rapier are now TP recons rather than webbing recons. Webs are now USELESS, whereas warp scrambers are more effective at slowing down a target and dual pointing to boot. Minnie recons are useless, especially the Huginn. slow enuff 2 instapop with artillery :)
ViperVenom Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Commander Tigre I am sorry to tell you gents, but the dual webs SUCK now. At 60% dual webbing on a target ONLY traveling 4750 m/s (interceptor or fast tackle frig), the new speed while being webbed is about 750 m/s. How can you consider this dead slow? The Huginn and Rapier are now TP recons rather than webbing recons. Webs are now USELESS, whereas warp scrambers are more effective at slowing down a target and dual pointing to boot. Minnie recons are useless, especially the Huginn. Umm something going 750m/s (let say there mwd is on) and TP lets say 50% more sig.. I belive that mean dead inty/AF/Frig. Hug/Rapiers are ment to dectate range and kill smaller ship in gangs. And now in QR they will be even better at it. Due to the fact that now the rigs are free for stuff other then Aux nozzles and speed rigs..U can add Fall orr rigs/rof rigs..Open your eyes and enjoy. Pwnage new and Improved! Role Players.. The same D&D kids but now they are 30 and balding.
dca0508 Epic Fail Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:29:00 - [11] Edited by: dca0508 on 12/11/2008 20:30:59 Originally by: ViperVenom Ummmm.. Im a tad bit lost here U have Hams and 180's MWD and Aux thrusters I looks like a pre QR fitting to me. I thought Hug/Rapiers were ment to dictate range? With that fit u only hitting stuff at maybe 17km with max missle skills. Is there some thing im missing if so please tell me so i can understand how this can work post QR. HAMS?? where in my post do u see hams, and i didnt write that i should have mwd on it, It says AB T2, well the auxthrusters is just an idea.. anything really to get topspeed up...
Commander Tigre Minmatar Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:32:00 - [12] I agree that the huggin and rapier are supposed to be used with distance rather than short range, but that still doesnt change the fact that a ceptor going almost 1km/s will get away whereas before they had to watch where they flew with huggins and rapiers on the field. "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:39:00 - [13] Am I the only one that bothers to burst my MWD? Really now MWDs aren't meant to be permarunned except on an interceptor and maybe a few crazy fits for other ships.
Sweet Laylah	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Commander Tigre I agree that the huggin and rapier are supposed to be used with distance rather than short range, but that still doesnt change the fact that a ceptor going almost 1km/s will get away whereas before they had to watch where they flew with huggins and rapiers on the field. How. Lets just say that duel webbed inty is going 1000m/s (likely to be slower), your huginn or rapier will still be goin 1500 - 2500 m/s. In other words the inty aint goin anywhere. What is more of an issue is getting tackled up close by an inty/af .. then you gotta let your light drones do the work.
Commander Tigre Minmatar Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Sweet Laylah Originally by: Commander Tigre I agree that the huggin and rapier are supposed to be used with distance rather than short range, but that still doesnt change the fact that a ceptor going almost 1km/s will get away whereas before they had to watch where they flew with huggins and rapiers on the field. How. Lets just say that duel webbed inty is going 1000m/s (likely to be slower), your huginn or rapier will still be goin 1500 - 2500 m/s. In other words the inty aint goin anywhere. What is more of an issue is getting tackled up close by an inty/af .. then you gotta let your light drones do the work. Yes of course on a 1v1 between a huginn/rapier versus a ceptor, the ceptor should die (as it was in TQ and is in QR). That is why a ceptor will never 1v1 a rapier/huginn. Gate camp? Ceptor going 1km/s (and that is not to far fetched of a speed) can still move through a gate camp with ease. Whereas before, it was much more difficult (as it should be) with a rapier/huginn. "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.13 03:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Commander Tigre Originally by: Sweet Laylah Originally by: Commander Tigre I agree that the huggin and rapier are supposed to be used with distance rather than short range, but that still doesnt change the fact that a ceptor going almost 1km/s will get away whereas before they had to watch where they flew with huggins and rapiers on the field. How. Lets just say that duel webbed inty is going 1000m/s (likely to be slower), your huginn or rapier will still be goin 1500 - 2500 m/s. In other words the inty aint goin anywhere. What is more of an issue is getting tackled up close by an inty/af .. then you gotta let your light drones do the work. Yes of course on a 1v1 between a huginn/rapier versus a ceptor, the ceptor should die (as it was in TQ and is in QR). That is why a ceptor will never 1v1 a rapier/huginn. Gate camp? Ceptor going 1km/s (and that is not to far fetched of a speed) can still move through a gate camp with ease. Whereas before, it was much more difficult (as it should be) with a rapier/huginn. actually what often happened was inty would overload mwd and zoom/coast out before you could catch him, not sure how that will go after patch huggin: - I'd say switch out the bcu's for nano's. I know they don't do much after the patch but you'll want them to help you catch those far off tacklers. rapier: - FIT A DISRUPTOR, I'd say swap the rsd for a disruptor. I used to fly rapier a fair bit and it's cloak makes it great for scouting but you need a disruptor then to be able to hold the enemy down. aside from that I'd consider swaping the TP for a third web depending on your tastes and how many other webbers you are gonna have. Possibly more lock time sensor boosters (I always used 2). ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:10:00 - [17] guys, just bring BLOB..this is what CCP wants us to do.. They "developed" Stackless I/O and now they want to blob us even more coz they think that hardware can manage it..but truth is far from this.. sucky, sucky, sucky.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome!
Lethos Aranis THE BLACK RAGE FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: Commander Tigre Originally by: Sweet Laylah Originally by: Commander Tigre I agree that the huggin and rapier are supposed to be used with distance rather than short range, but that still doesnt change the fact that a ceptor going almost 1km/s will get away whereas before they had to watch where they flew with huggins and rapiers on the field. How. Lets just say that duel webbed inty is going 1000m/s (likely to be slower), your huginn or rapier will still be goin 1500 - 2500 m/s. In other words the inty aint goin anywhere. What is more of an issue is getting tackled up close by an inty/af .. then you gotta let your light drones do the work. Yes of course on a 1v1 between a huginn/rapier versus a ceptor, the ceptor should die (as it was in TQ and is in QR). That is why a ceptor will never 1v1 a rapier/huginn. Gate camp? Ceptor going 1km/s (and that is not to far fetched of a speed) can still move through a gate camp with ease. Whereas before, it was much more difficult (as it should be) with a rapier/huginn. actually what often happened was inty would overload mwd and zoom/coast out before you could catch him, not sure how that will go after patch huggin: - I'd say switch out the bcu's for nano's. I know they don't do much after the patch but you'll want them to help you catch those far off tacklers. rapier: - FIT A DISRUPTOR, I'd say swap the rsd for a disruptor. I used to fly rapier a fair bit and it's cloak makes it great for scouting but you need a disruptor then to be able to hold the enemy down. aside from that I'd consider swaping the TP for a third web depending on your tastes and how many other webbers you are gonna have. Possibly more lock time sensor boosters (I always used 2). You won't need a 3rd web if you fit a scram. It deactivates the MWD so the inty will slow even more. If it's not an inty, well then 2 webs will slow down anything more than enough. A double web still seems like a very potent weapon for Rapiers.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:31:00 - [19] People need to realize that the new webs are different, not useless. Previously, you were totally dead if you got webbed (-90% mod wtf) but we have grown so accustomed to it that the whines are deafening. You actually have to use your brain now instead of close in web finito. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:36:00 - [20] Huginn with 2 webs and 2 painters. I don't really see the problem there, was hitting just fine. And why should I fear Inties close up? My Assault missiles will still hit, for nice damage since it's double webbed and double painted, probably even cycling out a MWD when the webs and TP hit. Guess even a cap torp would hit that thing for full damage Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!

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