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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 13/11/2008 23:45:06
http://1337g33k.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/chinese-create-first-warp-drive/
Oh yeah, I went there. Perpetual motion machine... what nonsense! I'll start to believe it when it's reported from a scientific reputable source. Maybe when the picture of it doesn't look like it was made in somebody's basement as well.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
http://1337g33k.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/chinese-create-first-warp-drive/
Oh yeah, I went there. Perpetual motion machine... what nonsense! I'll start to believe it when it's reported from a scientific reputable source. Maybe when the picture of it doesn't look like it was made in somebody's basement as well.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:43:00 -
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I don't understand what makes it a "warp drive". I just sounds like a bog standard ion drive?
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
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Originally by: Amoxin
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: Arianhod
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: Arianhod
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.11.14 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: Arianhod
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Tacyon
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I don't understand what makes it a "warp drive". I just sounds like a bog standard ion drive?
Doesn't sound anything like an iondrive to me.
Besides, I think theres already been a thread about this ages ago in here. Dunno wether this is a hoax or not, sounds alot like it, but we'll see.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 10:21:00 -
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British scientist Roger Shayer caused a stir when New Scientist highlighted his claims that an em drive could violate strict Newtonian physics, thanks to an effect of Einsteinian relativity.
HAHAHAHAHA I like it already
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Kryttos
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:06:00 -
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it looks like the innards of a big old clock. |
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Baldour Ngarr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.15 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tacyon
Besides, I think theres already been a thread about this ages ago in here.
I know I saw a thread on this some months ago, but I don't remember which forum.
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Dunno wether this is a hoax or not, sounds alot like it, but we'll see.
I don't think it's a hoax, exactly - in that it's not a deliberate fake. On the other hand, it won't work because it can't work. A malevolent Universe has passed laws against it.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 03:47:00 -
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Why does the author of this article compare it to the drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide? This drive doesn't appear to cause missiles to turn into whales at all. Granted if it did then it'd be Green Peace's wet dream.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.16 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Why does the author of this article compare it to the drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide? This drive doesn't appear to cause missiles to turn into whales at all. Granted if it did then it'd be Green Peace's wet dream.
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DubanFP
Caldari
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 16/11/2008 04:14:11
It's fake. The guy doesn't even seem to know what an actual warp drive implies among other relatively obvious problems with his ideas. |
HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.16 05:11:00 -
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let's presume this is real.
#1 -it's not a warp drive or anything of the sort
#2 -'same thrust as an ion drive'. oh woopdy frickin do-dah...
all we need is a working nuclear drive (nasa should have had this thing built years ago). that would meet all needs for the next couple centuries and take us to the edge of our solar system. basically plenty to keep us busy. (as we all know, anything beyond that isn't going to be done with any type of working model we can envision with our level of math, science and technology)
obligatory/ hey bush, nasa, wtf happened with "we're goin' to mars" ?
we need to just shut down nasa and let private enterprise completely take over. then you'll see some articles worth linking that aren't total failure-sauce
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 05:19:00 -
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Or we need to prove there is oil on Mars. |
Baldour Ngarr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.16 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
obligatory/ hey bush, nasa, wtf happened with "we're goin' to mars" ?
Someone pointed out it would kill the crew. |
Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.16 10:22:00 -
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I vaguely took an interest in this following the storey about the Chinese university involvement a few months ago, and that linked article was pretty crap, heres the scoop:
- obviously its not a ôwarp driveö
- Its also not an ion engine, ion engines like all others require fuel, even though its just a little compressed gas, its still fuel and it still runs out eventually.
- Its supposedly a ôreactionless driveö, that meaning all it needs is electrical energy and it expels nothing into space.
- The developer got a ú250k grant from the UK government's Department of Trade and Industry, part of which was to build a demonstration engine.
This is where it gets a bit fruity...
- seems to violate the law of conservation of momentum
- theoretically (if it works) could scale far beyond what ion propulsion is capable of (somewhere in the tens of newtons of thrust area, as opposed to the ~250mN (Millinewtons)that current ion drives produce.
- The inventor goÆs even further than that:
Originally by: wiki
ôEngineers in Germany have created superconducting resonators (for use in particle accelerators) with Q values of several billion, which Shawyer claims would equate to a thrust of 30kN per kilowatt, "enough to lift a large carö
Soà yeahà it does smell an awful lot like bull****, but if it turns out to have something to it, wellà 1) itÆs gonna have some implications for physics as a whole, to figure out how/why its able to work, and 2) earth to mars trip time slashed down massively and with no need to carry fuel, satellites that can stay in low earth orbit for decades becauseà no fuelà faster, more powerful planetary probes that can get further out fasterà
Bottom line is itÆd be incredibly awesome if its true, and thatÆs probably why it isnÆt. 
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noggerman
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Posted - 2008.11.16 13:14:00 -
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Well the article says it uses a property of Einstein based physics, but contradicts Newtonian.
This is the problem I have with many scientists, there is always the quote about something breaking the law of Newtonian physics therefore it is impossible. Ofcourse this is usually the case, but as we have a very limited understanding of the world and we havn't yet managed to combine quantum and atomic physics into a unified theory, I find it a little bit daft to write off any idea that breaks "laws" from a couple of centuries back.
The fact that we still can't explain why light acts like a wave and also a particle, and that it behaves differently when observed to when it isn't, add in that it seems to be the fastest thing in the universe but yet releases energy when it impacts with something else, which according to Einstein's laws of physics, shouldn't happen as it implies mass....
Modern scientists need to be honest with themselves and admit that they really don't have anywhere near a the level of understanding to decide what is and isn't possible. Ofcourse I'm not suggesting that they don't have a good idea, merely that every so often something comes along that completely rips up the rule book.
As for the British government pulling spending.... If you look up the story of Sir Frank Whittle you'll see that the British government dawdled and were unwilling to give funding.
He invented the Jet engine in 1928 it didn't fly in a plane until 1941.... For comparison the German scientist Hans von Ohain started work on his design in 1935 and had an engine in a plane flying by 1939.
It's not the first time the British have been completely short sighted when looking at new technologies. We have some of the worlds best engineers, and yet completely fail to back them. |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.16 14:06:00 -
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To be honest, I think the person writing the article has a fair bit to answer for. We know that journalists tend to take a science story and then add in their own bull**** to embellish the story. I bet you a million quid that the scientist in question made NO claims whatsoever about it breaking Newtonian physics. He probably said something along the lines of "this engine will be moving so fast that relativistic effects become noticeable, so we can't rely on Newtonian models". Which is perfectly true. But the journalist would have heard his and gone "zOMG, a warp drive!" |
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