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McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 01:37:00 - [1] Edited by: McFly on 14/11/2008 01:37:05 I listened to the fanfest 2008 dev panel audio file uploaded to eve files. I believe it was Tyraxx that asked the devs about the Alliance Tournament, as there had been no news about it's status. So I took a couple days to mull over it all and now I've decided it's time to make some points about the whole thing. I can understand what CCP is saying in that the costs were quite large, so cut out a large portion of it. Dont pay for the EVETV people to go to Iceland and drink. Granted I like the show and everything, but if u have to cut something that's where it should start. Cutting the whole Tournament I think should be the last resort. I'd be happy to simply watch it (maybe a little higher quality client so we can read the pilot names, etc) with eve sound effects only. We have the IRC channel on coldfront, we have the forums, and etc. An ingame mechanic is nice for small corp tourney's or etc... But the Alliance Tournament has a magnitude to it. It's epic, it matters, an Arena system is a poor substitute and I like it for friends to play around in or etc... But I would really like to see the Alliance Tournament continue. The reason players new and old flock to this event isn't becuase of the flasy animations, super important commentary or anything else. It's an E-Peen contest between the major entities of the game. It's not just a tournament its community event where all the aspects and parts of the community come together. I really hope that CCP can come to a compromise on the issue, I mean granted there are cuts I'm sure that could be made. It's entirely to much apart of the community to let fade to black forever. Please CCP rethink this. Make sure to click support people. Thanks for reading.
GRiMsReAPeR Amarr Department of Empire Mining Control RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 02:00:00 - [2] ~ SIGNED I approve this message
GRiMsReAPeR Amarr Department of Empire Mining Control RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:15:00 - [3] wow....no-one has said anything??
happener	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:15:00 - [4] /signed
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:46:00 - [5] I've posted several places advocating we keep this valuble part of the community. If cost is the huuuge problem, we dont nesc need 2 studios and like a dozen hosts. Keep the feed commentary, have someone in iceland or already working for ccp as a general host and use more player made commercials for filler. I like the spectacle and granduer, but as McFly said the action itself is where most of the value is. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
steveid Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.15 17:52:00 - [6] Tbh I think that this is something that the alliances themselves could come up with, with ccp providing the prizes and enforcing the rules. Video and commentary can be provided by mutually agrred upon people, i'm sure there will be a long list of volunteers.
InfamousOne Chaos Coalition Chaotic Evolution	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:58:00 - [7] /supported I remember watching the tournies on EVETV, I loved watching people with alot more skill and sp then I have blow each other to bits. CCP please bring the tournies back.
D'ceet Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.16 00:19:00 - [8] i like the alliance tournament. /signed
NereSky Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.16 04:58:00 - [9] Edited by: NereSky on 16/11/2008 04:58:11 I agree, the Tourney was one of the events that brought the Eve community together and 1 of the things that made Eve on-line differant to other mmorgs, doesnt have to be bi-yearly - annual will be fine (costs are halfed already :) )
Siebenthal	Posted - 2008.11.16 05:42:00 - [10] How about.... CCP stops paying to send the CSM dweebs to Iceland and keeps the alliance tournament running? I mean if it's a matter of money I know which one I find more important. -and/or- (and being preferred tbh) How about paying some Icelandic locals to do the commentary instead of flying in people from England?
Holy Lowlander Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.16 10:03:00 - [11]
Blood Bathroom	Posted - 2008.11.16 11:06:00 - [12]
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.11.17 04:44:00 - [13] I'm fine with annually. Might make it better tbh, more special n stuff
Qorrin C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.17 13:44:00 - [14] ./signed
kahn zoldan C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.17 13:47:00 - [15] Annual is fine by me... I like evetv but learn when to say "dudes free ride is over" If they want to commentate so bad make them pay for the ticket and hotel. One of the coolest things I've ever been able to rub in the WoW *******s at work is that EvE has a live PVP Slugfest. Anyone here gonna disagree that the TRI v Ev0ke fight wasn't F'n EPIC! Granted we all see it now and think, damn dude shoulda killed the ruppie when u had the chance... but when it was happening live. well. it was epic.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.17 16:51:00 - [16] Hell ****ing yeah baby! WildCat
Mihailo Great	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:44:00 - [17] Not signed, it is a waste, and it's because of the lack of viewers CCP had abandoned it in the first place. Not enough people care, and I certainly would had to see another tournament banner on my login screen.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.18 01:47:00 - [18] This was answered in http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/?type=7 CCP panel. Essentially they are working on ingame mechanics to allow for this to be staged by the players and with little or no ccp involvement. Which frees up GMs to answer your stupid questions. Not only this... you most likely will be able to do this with anyone. So carebear corps can go head to head without wardecs and such. This will be a very fun addition; but lets just support this anyway :)
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.18 11:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Jason Edwards This was answered in http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/?type=7 CCP panel. Essentially they are working on ingame mechanics to allow for this to be staged by the players and with little or no ccp involvement. Which frees up GMs to answer your stupid questions. Not only this... you most likely will be able to do this with anyone. So carebear corps can go head to head without wardecs and such. This will be a very fun addition; but lets just support this anyway :) This petition is in response to the panel, which I re watched today... granted CCP have a lot of claims as to why not to do it. I understand that their Bandwidth bill alone is probably staggering. But in response I say cut some costs, scale it down a bit, spend less money on the side stuff and keep the tournament running. Player based mechanic would be interesting, however it just wont contain the magnitude that was the previous tournaments. The BoB upset by HUN Reloaded, The ASCN v. BoB Inty Fight (Rails on a Crow?) The Destruction of Tyraxx's Impcc. Tri v Ev0ke at the finale of V. It's not just about an arena to fight in, or bragging rights. It's about the depth and experience of the fights. I've never flown in one, would be nice in the future, but I've watched many of them live, even through some hijacked bandwidth when I was in the military and deployed. It's entertaining, it's historic, it's epic and it's awesome. I agree give the GM's the tools to manage the tournament. Lighten the load on them of course. Make it work better and more efficient. A CCP Hosted tournament carries so much more wieght. An Arena system would be entertaining, but a tournament championship team from an arena fight and an Alliance Tournament Championship team are very very very different. I just see it as too deeply in the eve community and history to downsize into foam weapon jousting in empire.. Sure put that in for people to play with... But keep the big epic battle for the crown.
Quicktime State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.18 13:51:00 - [20] Edited by: Quicktime on 18/11/2008 13:51:24 They took all the fun out of combat with this last patch, I personally looked forward to the Alliance tournament every year but a lot of the good pvp'rs are leaving the game anyway. It is just another sign that CCP is knowingly killing off Eve. I support the vote even though I have canceled my 3 accounts!
Nishai LoRez Productions	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:21:00 - [21] Heh give power to the players...yeah, cos champions league is so similar to amateur competition with a few guys and no cameras. It's all about the TV, the atmosphere, the silly remarks ppl will remember what that or the other guy said, the aaahhhs and ooohs of commentators when the ships explode. FFS we already have pew pew by the tons, slapping a few medals, awards or titles ain't gonna change it. WE LOVE TV AND EVE (for only EVE I can log in every day....) When ppl remember more a 10vs10 man fight than titans blowing up(yeah now you know the difference between reading about it or watching it live) you know that's the real thing. Guys at CCP EVE Tournament is Our soccer, our basketball, our baseball, our F1 and the teams playing are up there among the champions and legends of those other sports. FFS put in a ton of commercials if you must, it will feel like a real TV anyway :D This sells this is global this is sports. Give us tournament! With cameras! And commentators! (Don't worry about the beer and popcorn, I already got those)
Chi Quan Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.20 22:04:00 - [22] when did they drop the tournament anyway? ---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love

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