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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:24:00 -
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Since the implementation of the QR patch, these forums have been filled top to bottom with complaints. This is a good sign. It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
PVP: For too long, the easy mode for PVP was to simply be fast. 0.0 Consisted almost entirely of nano gangs and cloaking macro Ravens. Slowing the game down, after the ragequitters leave and the forums cool off, will prove to be a giant leap forward for PVP.
Reducing the effectiveness of certain classes of missiles was just a natural extension of slowing the game down. There was simply no choice but to lower their effectiveness, or no one would fly anything but Caldari in a slowed down game.
PVE: Now that CNR's aren't click and forget anymore (Missile Balancing), Mission Runners will finally need to pay attention to what they are doing, and work a little harder for the rewards. Maybe even pay attention to the screen.
Lets face it, lvl 4 mission running NPC corp dwellers simply had it too easy. All reward, no risk whatsoever with easy mode missile spam. Aside from moving all level 4 missions to low sec (bad idea) or making NPC corps war deccable (bad idea), this was a pretty good compromise for the short term.
Some people also complained that this expansion didn't have enough... expansion. "Only one new ship??" they say. I disagree with this sentiment. With the changes to signature radius, MWD, webbers and last but not least speed, a lot of ships are new all over again.
This expansion has injected a lot of new life into the game for me personally. I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Good Job CCP
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Since the implementation of the QR patch, these forums have been filled top to bottom with complaints. This is a good sign. It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
PVP: For too long, the easy mode for PVP was to simply be fast. 0.0 Consisted almost entirely of nano gangs and cloaking macro Ravens. Slowing the game down, after the ragequitters leave and the forums cool off, will prove to be a giant leap forward for PVP.
Reducing the effectiveness of certain classes of missiles was just a natural extension of slowing the game down. There was simply no choice but to lower their effectiveness, or no one would fly anything but Caldari in a slowed down game.
PVE: Now that CNR's aren't click and forget anymore (Missile Balancing), Mission Runners will finally need to pay attention to what they are doing, and work a little harder for the rewards. Maybe even pay attention to the screen.
Lets face it, lvl 4 mission running NPC corp dwellers simply had it too easy. All reward, no risk whatsoever with easy mode missile spam. Aside from moving all level 4 missions to low sec (bad idea) or making NPC corps war deccable (bad idea), this was a pretty good compromise for the short term.
Some people also complained that this expansion didn't have enough... expansion. "Only one new ship??" they say. I disagree with this sentiment. With the changes to signature radius, MWD, webbers and last but not least speed, a lot of ships are new all over again.
This expansion has injected a lot of new life into the game for me personally. I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Good Job CCP
Easy mode is still here... it just has a different face: simply include one of the following when you hit f1-f8... TP, web, scrambler.
Eve's NOT hard (contrary to what all the wow-haters keep telling you). If step one doesn't kill your target, bring friends who will also use step one. Together, you WILL pop the target. Eve's a simple as blobbing up and hitting your hotkeys, or warping to safety. That's it.
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Terraform
Gallente
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:35:00 -
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Saying eve is all about blobbing is a very narrowminded approach. Many players, including myself like to only fly with 1-3 people. Hardly a blob, and it does require tactics for a bunch of cruisers to kill off a BS, unless the BS pilot is a total noob that is :P
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:40:00 -
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Blobbing is a tactic that's guarenteed to get kills, but it's not the only solution, and people have, through higher skill, had a k/d ratio of something like 386:91 when fighting outnumbered 250:500.
But that's somewhat rare.. and often seems to include sniper BS and the big blob not knowing how to handle them.
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Bohoba
Caldari
HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:44:00 -
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nothing has changed nano still there untouchable just a bit slower is all as the slowed down all the weapons too and gave them less power
no speed nerf it was voided with all the weapon nerfs
10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Since the implementation of the QR patch, these forums have been filled top to bottom with complaints. This is a good sign. It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
PVP: For too long, the easy mode for PVP was to simply be fast. 0.0 Consisted almost entirely of nano gangs and cloaking macro Ravens. Slowing the game down, after the ragequitters leave and the forums cool off, will prove to be a giant leap forward for PVP.
Easymode gatecamping of 0.0/lowsec entries was also nerfed; you can see some camper tears in river of nanoer&noob runner's tears already 
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Schultze
Caldari
0rigins
EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.11.14 07:21:00 -
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This post is a WIN \o/
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 07:54:00 -
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adapt or whine
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Djan Anaplian
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.14 07:57:00 -
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Now 00 will consist of whatever gang of ships is optimun to fly, there will still be easy mode, little will change.
Is this a problem?
Not particuarly.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.14 08:18:00 -
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Any sort of game play changes are nice to mix it up a little, now we'll just have to find ways to make it stale and lame again 
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
nothing has changed nano still there untouchable just a bit slower is all as the slowed down all the weapons too and gave them less power
no speed nerf it was voided with all the weapon nerfs
You've been one of the loudest opponents about the new patch, so it's hardly surprising to see you disagree with me, but you're dead wrong.
Yes, Battleships are no long the solopwnmobiles that they were pre expansion. That's how the game was meant to be!
Cruisers can still hit cruisers for full damage, so go get in a cruiser/HAC/BC and give the BS a rest for a while. |
Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Yes, Battleships are no long the solopwnmobiles that they were pre expansion. That's how the game was meant to be!
If you look back enough, you'll explicitly find Oveur stating that battleships were specifically designed to be solowtfpwnmobiles.
... <fx: lights blue touch paper and runs away!>
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Yes, Battleships are no long the solopwnmobiles that they were pre expansion. That's how the game was meant to be!
If you look back enough, you'll explicitly find Oveur stating that battleships were specifically designed to be solowtfpwnmobiles.
... <fx: lights blue touch paper and runs away!>
No wonder they don't let him work on EVE anymore. |
Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Since the implementation of the QR patch, these forums have been filled top to bottom with complaints. This is a good sign. It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
PVP: For too long, the easy mode for PVP was to simply be fast. 0.0 Consisted almost entirely of nano gangs and cloaking macro Ravens. Slowing the game down, after the ragequitters leave and the forums cool off, will prove to be a giant leap forward for PVP.
Reducing the effectiveness of certain classes of missiles was just a natural extension of slowing the game down. There was simply no choice but to lower their effectiveness, or no one would fly anything but Caldari in a slowed down game.
PVE: Now that CNR's aren't click and forget anymore (Missile Balancing), Mission Runners will finally need to pay attention to what they are doing, and work a little harder for the rewards. Maybe even pay attention to the screen.
Lets face it, lvl 4 mission running NPC corp dwellers simply had it too easy. All reward, no risk whatsoever with easy mode missile spam. Aside from moving all level 4 missions to low sec (bad idea) or making NPC corps war deccable (bad idea), this was a pretty good compromise for the short term.
Some people also complained that this expansion didn't have enough... expansion. "Only one new ship??" they say. I disagree with this sentiment. With the changes to signature radius, MWD, webbers and last but not least speed, a lot of ships are new all over again.
This expansion has injected a lot of new life into the game for me personally. I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Good Job CCP
I Love this post, sums up allot of how i feel!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:35:00 -
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As an Amarr, i have to ask, when was the easy mode ON?!  |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
As an Amarr, i have to ask, when was the easy mode ON?!
11.11.2008
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/11/2008 13:49:55
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
As an Amarr, i have to ask, when was the easy mode ON?!
11.11.2008
Was, past tense, now relaxed
I guess when Amarr turn the lights on, the rest of the galaxy screams "What the hell?! I was watching that!" |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
nothing has changed nano still there untouchable just a bit slower is all as the slowed down all the weapons too and gave them less power
no speed nerf it was voided with all the weapon nerfs
Shouldn't you have biomassed yourself by now?
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Ian Luxor
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:01:00 -
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PVE is still easy for me 
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Gods Coldblood
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:05:00 -
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I have to admit when i 1st tested the new changes i was in a state of rage as my megathron that i have come to love for te last 2 years has beeen crippled ( or has it really?)
When i think about it, eve was getting too predictable and did need a serious change in tactical terms.. Nanos being one heavyly used tactic and well , we all know te corps that use falcons all day long ( somting i hope is seriously looked into one day!)..
Solo pvp might be on its last legs but thats only if we let it be this way!
Coldbloood
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Yes, Battleships are no long the solopwnmobiles that they were pre expansion. That's how the game was meant to be!
If you look back enough, you'll explicitly find Oveur stating that battleships were specifically designed to be solowtfpwnmobiles.
... <fx: lights blue touch paper and runs away!>
My sarcasm detector must be on the fritz, its not beeping.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gods Coldblood
When i think about it, eve was getting too predictable and did need a serious change in tactical terms
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Solo pvp might be on its last legs but thats only if we let it be this way!
This tbh. Having new rulesets to play with is fun on its own  |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:33:00 -
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Escrava Isaura
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Escrava Isaura on 14/11/2008 14:59:00
i dont see any big change in tactics, instead of full speed you use range, the main difference will be more warp outs to avoid death instead of just burning away to 200km.
The ones who died before will still dye, and the ones doing the killing will still be doing it
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OutherSpace
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:04:00 -
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Quote:
easy mode is off
off to where ?
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Squably
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Escrava Isaura
Edited by: Escrava Isaura on 14/11/2008 14:59:00
i dont see any big change in tactics, instead of full speed you use range, the main difference will be more warp outs to avoid death instead of just burning away to 200km.
The ones who died before will still dye, and the ones doing the killing will still be doing it
And thats why alliances with ppl like you never get to hold any 0.0 space, if you can't see there is tactics to be used you won't win a single war.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
LOL.
Bigger blobs is not "a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork."
If anything QR has made pvp more easymode. |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/11/2008 15:31:36
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/11/2008 15:30:52
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
It's a sign that EVE is moving away from Easy Mode and into a new era of strategy, ingenuity and teamwork.
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Hm, no more easymode, im having a great time imagining how I'll be able to kill with easymode.
Also, non MWD Hurricane with Halo set sucks epically, unless you have a Falcon/covops alt for scouting (since your survival rate for gatecamps is 0%), and engage solo battleships which are not a Dominix only.
Naturally, Tier 2 BCs will smoke you, and you can't tackle for **** with the 10.8km scram plus AB, and are massively vulnerable to anything which outranges you or outdamages you at range (which is everything sans blasterboats).
From a teamwork point of view, it's epically useless.
That said, epic post QR Hurricane fit, ingenious and teamworkish - requires a slaveset for max fun and games:
Lows: 1600mm RT, exp/kin/therm hardener, 2x eanm II
Mids: MWD, disruptor,scrambler,web
Highs: 6x 220mm AC II, small neut, cynosaural field generator
Use trimarks for rigs and Warrior IIs in dronebay.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Hmm, die to my harpy with mwd and rails + point? |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I'm having a great time imagining what I can do with a non MWD Jaguar/Hurricane with a halo set, among other things.
Hmm, die to my harpy with mwd and rails + point?
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