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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.07 12:41:00 -
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It saddens to see the great Man-o-War, the battleships, reduced in their role to be industrial mining platforms.
There should be special mining ships in the Industrial Class that also can install plenty of miners like a battleship but due to a weaker power grid, weaker hull, weaker shields and slower speed has almost no offensive value. And of course they should come at a considerable cheaper price than a BS.
These mining ships should not have big holds of course to make solo-mining as effective as teamwork with haulers.
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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.07 12:41:00 -
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It saddens to see the great Man-o-War, the battleships, reduced in their role to be industrial mining platforms.
There should be special mining ships in the Industrial Class that also can install plenty of miners like a battleship but due to a weaker power grid, weaker hull, weaker shields and slower speed has almost no offensive value. And of course they should come at a considerable cheaper price than a BS.
These mining ships should not have big holds of course to make solo-mining as effective as teamwork with haulers.
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cmaxx
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Posted - 2004.07.07 20:41:00 -
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Darn tooting! There's a market niche here!
Course, being able to A-Team one of these babies up as a poor-man's BS would be a nice option too...
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cmaxx
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Posted - 2004.07.07 20:41:00 -
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Darn tooting! There's a market niche here!
Course, being able to A-Team one of these babies up as a poor-man's BS would be a nice option too...
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:58:00 -
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How about instead of limited cargo space. you give them 8 hi slots, 1 (or 2) med slots, and no low slots. and give it enough grid to run a scanner and 8 miner 2's.
Have it slow, say 100m/s, minimal hull, and armor hit points.
but give it 2500m3 capacity
mainly because if a mining ship was introduced i want something that can be usefull in hi sec space for low ores but requires substantial escorts it it was to be used in low/no sec space.
Basically it should be dead if caught in unfriendly situations. but not so limited that a solo miner needs to dock in a station every 5 mins as hes just fulled his hold.
"We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Orb Lati
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Posted - 2004.07.07 22:58:00 -
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How about instead of limited cargo space. you give them 8 hi slots, 1 (or 2) med slots, and no low slots. and give it enough grid to run a scanner and 8 miner 2's.
Have it slow, say 100m/s, minimal hull, and armor hit points.
but give it 2500m3 capacity
mainly because if a mining ship was introduced i want something that can be usefull in hi sec space for low ores but requires substantial escorts it it was to be used in low/no sec space.
Basically it should be dead if caught in unfriendly situations. but not so limited that a solo miner needs to dock in a station every 5 mins as hes just fulled his hold.
"We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Aleyna
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Posted - 2004.07.08 04:18:00 -
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why is everyone so deadset on the idea that a battleship has to fight?
a battleship is merely a class of ships... it doesnt dictate what the ship is to become, just what its good at
we miners have a reason for using batteships for mining and honestly, if a miner ship came out with 8 lasers and weaker hull/armor, you'd think i switch?! HELLS NO! simply because my apoc has the armor, hull and hardpoints
lets take a lil example in real life... many retrofitted navy ships are now used to do science mission by >gaps< CIVILIANS! oh, lets not forget the fact that i can go buy a mig21 right now for 300k USD and wow... you've guessed it... im not gonna go fighting with it, im just gonna go fly it...
so quit ur b!tchin... you dont like seeing a bs mining? look the other way...
<ps> tired of these mining post who dont really think about the consequences of a miner ship....
sure intro a new miner ship (although i'd rather see new ships like the carrier class, bigger industrials and *drool* the titans...) but leave the battleships as they are so that the pilot decide what he wants to do with it, not CCP...
if i want to use my apoc as a shuttle, its my choice... so go back to whatever you do and leave us bs miners alone 
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Aleyna
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Posted - 2004.07.08 04:18:00 -
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why is everyone so deadset on the idea that a battleship has to fight?
a battleship is merely a class of ships... it doesnt dictate what the ship is to become, just what its good at
we miners have a reason for using batteships for mining and honestly, if a miner ship came out with 8 lasers and weaker hull/armor, you'd think i switch?! HELLS NO! simply because my apoc has the armor, hull and hardpoints
lets take a lil example in real life... many retrofitted navy ships are now used to do science mission by >gaps< CIVILIANS! oh, lets not forget the fact that i can go buy a mig21 right now for 300k USD and wow... you've guessed it... im not gonna go fighting with it, im just gonna go fly it...
so quit ur b!tchin... you dont like seeing a bs mining? look the other way...
<ps> tired of these mining post who dont really think about the consequences of a miner ship....
sure intro a new miner ship (although i'd rather see new ships like the carrier class, bigger industrials and *drool* the titans...) but leave the battleships as they are so that the pilot decide what he wants to do with it, not CCP...
if i want to use my apoc as a shuttle, its my choice... so go back to whatever you do and leave us bs miners alone
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Orb Lati
How about instead of limited cargo space. you give them 8 hi slots, 1 (or 2) med slots, and no low slots. and give it enough grid to run a scanner and 8 miner 2's.
Have it slow, say 100m/s, minimal hull, and armor hit points.
but give it 2500m3 capacity
mainly because if a mining ship was introduced i want something that can be usefull in hi sec space for low ores but requires substantial escorts it it was to be used in low/no sec space.
Basically it should be dead if caught in unfriendly situations. but not so limited that a solo miner needs to dock in a station every 5 mins as hes just fulled his hold.
People will still use Cruisers and Battleships to mine. Why? Drones...
Id be more then happy to give up 2 miners for 8-10 Heavy Drones, That miner wont last more then 10 minutes in anything below 1.0.
Hell even Frigate Rats in 0.8 could kick its ass.
Teamwork is nice but having to waste your time guarding a miner in 0.8 from tiny rats for hours is a complete waste of time.
CCP could of course Nerf all of the current ships by not allowing them to use more then 2 miners per ship or so but that will just screw the economy over.
Less people will mine because they dont want to keep running from tiny rats and they cant find anyone interested in babysitting them.
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati
How about instead of limited cargo space. you give them 8 hi slots, 1 (or 2) med slots, and no low slots. and give it enough grid to run a scanner and 8 miner 2's.
Have it slow, say 100m/s, minimal hull, and armor hit points.
but give it 2500m3 capacity
mainly because if a mining ship was introduced i want something that can be usefull in hi sec space for low ores but requires substantial escorts it it was to be used in low/no sec space.
Basically it should be dead if caught in unfriendly situations. but not so limited that a solo miner needs to dock in a station every 5 mins as hes just fulled his hold.
People will still use Cruisers and Battleships to mine. Why? Drones...
Id be more then happy to give up 2 miners for 8-10 Heavy Drones, That miner wont last more then 10 minutes in anything below 1.0.
Hell even Frigate Rats in 0.8 could kick its ass.
Teamwork is nice but having to waste your time guarding a miner in 0.8 from tiny rats for hours is a complete waste of time.
CCP could of course Nerf all of the current ships by not allowing them to use more then 2 miners per ship or so but that will just screw the economy over.
Less people will mine because they dont want to keep running from tiny rats and they cant find anyone interested in babysitting them.
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Chrais Mrisith
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:38:00 -
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Sure miner ships which are strength-crippled battleships would be fine for working in 0.6 space or higher.... but.
You go to 0.0 and you're mining. Suddenly, 4 rats spawn, say 2x100k and 2x50k. You're screwed? Why?
a) You're slow, you can't leave too quick.
b) You're gunna get stuck on roids, cos you'll be within (at most) 6k so you can use your survey scanner.
c) You're weak. These things kill thoraxes quick enough, they'll wtfpwn a "miner ship".
Yeah, maybe introduce *small* miner ships, but leave us big boys to our apocs and megas tyvm.
How about I start moaning cos people are using frigates in EM roles to hold battleships in place, when that's an intercpetors job, in an ideal world. Outrageous I say!
- CM
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Chrais Mrisith
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:38:00 -
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Sure miner ships which are strength-crippled battleships would be fine for working in 0.6 space or higher.... but.
You go to 0.0 and you're mining. Suddenly, 4 rats spawn, say 2x100k and 2x50k. You're screwed? Why?
a) You're slow, you can't leave too quick.
b) You're gunna get stuck on roids, cos you'll be within (at most) 6k so you can use your survey scanner.
c) You're weak. These things kill thoraxes quick enough, they'll wtfpwn a "miner ship".
Yeah, maybe introduce *small* miner ships, but leave us big boys to our apocs and megas tyvm.
How about I start moaning cos people are using frigates in EM roles to hold battleships in place, when that's an intercpetors job, in an ideal world. Outrageous I say!
- CM
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aleyna
why is everyone so deadset on the idea that a battleship has to fight?
They are Battleships Battleships
Battle = fight
fight does not = mine
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aleyna
why is everyone so deadset on the idea that a battleship has to fight?
They are Battleships Battleships
Battle = fight
fight does not = mine
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2004.07.08 20:58:00 -
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A dedicated mining ship that I would like to see:
1250 shields
1500 armor
1000 drone
4000 cargo hold
6 high - 6 turret -1 launcher
4 med
4 low
cpu 400 but have a large cpu reduction for using mining lasers
powergird of 1000 (not sure about this one)
-BT
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2004.07.08 20:58:00 -
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A dedicated mining ship that I would like to see:
1250 shields
1500 armor
1000 drone
4000 cargo hold
6 high - 6 turret -1 launcher
4 med
4 low
cpu 400 but have a large cpu reduction for using mining lasers
powergird of 1000 (not sure about this one)
-BT
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Canyew
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:08:00 -
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orb a bit of a bad idea with no low slots and low ammounts for med
1. u needl ow for cargo expanders or overdive injectors
2. u need med for afters or mwds
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Canyew
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Posted - 2004.07.08 22:08:00 -
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orb a bit of a bad idea with no low slots and low ammounts for med
1. u needl ow for cargo expanders or overdive injectors
2. u need med for afters or mwds
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Aleyna
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:18:00 -
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how bout you actualy read the damn post
BATTLESHIP refers to a CLASS
a pilot decides on the ROLE
CLASS does not = ROLE
A C130 is a TRANSPORT by CLASS
a C130 Spook has the role of a GUNSHIP
if you're still not gettin the difference between CLASS and ROLE, kindly send me all your isk and ship of EVE, step away from the computer, grab a sledgehammer and take a few hits on your PC.... this will spare us of your ignorance...
pshh.. he dared say that the battle against the almighty roidian army (they regenerate everyday!!) is no task for a battleship... tell you what, go fight in ur battleship (since ur so deadset on it being a fighter) and when you lose it, dont b!tch and moan cuz a replacement will come to 250m isk thanks to your great idea...
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Aleyna
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:18:00 -
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how bout you actualy read the damn post
BATTLESHIP refers to a CLASS
a pilot decides on the ROLE
CLASS does not = ROLE
A C130 is a TRANSPORT by CLASS
a C130 Spook has the role of a GUNSHIP
if you're still not gettin the difference between CLASS and ROLE, kindly send me all your isk and ship of EVE, step away from the computer, grab a sledgehammer and take a few hits on your PC.... this will spare us of your ignorance...
pshh.. he dared say that the battle against the almighty roidian army (they regenerate everyday!!) is no task for a battleship... tell you what, go fight in ur battleship (since ur so deadset on it being a fighter) and when you lose it, dont b!tch and moan cuz a replacement will come to 250m isk thanks to your great idea...
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2004.07.09 09:43:00 -
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Oh and where did I say battleships couldn't mine? Just seems dumb that the best combat ship on the game is also the best mining ship on the game.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2004.07.09 09:43:00 -
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Oh and where did I say battleships couldn't mine? Just seems dumb that the best combat ship on the game is also the best mining ship on the game.
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