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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:12:00 -
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Since the QR "expansion" I have seen lots and lots and lots of whining about skills being useless because of this, that, or the other. Whether people adapt or not is up to them, but I had an idea.
What if CCP introduced an in-station service that would allow players to re-allocate skill points. Obviously CCP would have to have a fee associated with it, say 5mil per skill or something. To keep people from completely respec'ing overnight CCP could limit it to one skill a week or so. Once a skill has been completely unlearned the player will not receive the skill book back. If the player wishes to relearn a skill previously unlearned he will have to buy the skill book all over again.
Same goes for new skills, the player will still be required to buy the neccessary skill books before the SP can be re-allocated from one skill to another.
I am sure there are other aspects that can be fine tuned, but I wanted to put forth this general idea to the community. I know other MMORPG's have a similar system in place, if CCP were to implement it, I think it would give players a chance (maybe expensive) to try different roles and aspects of EVE without having to start from scratch.
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:13:00 -
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I must support my own topic, mainly because I don't have much else to do right now and I also think this would be a nice feature for CCP to implement :-) Cheers
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:16:00 -
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No.
If you don't like the skills you have, simply train some new ones.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
No.
If you don't like the skills you have, simply train some new ones.
This sir speaks the truth.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:48:00 -
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Again... you forget... and yet you blindly propose like every other foolish "lets unlearn" type proposal.
The bulk of skills out there require prereq's that must be met before you can use them... not including fittings and other aspects of your ship configs.
If you get people who start futzin around with there skills... your going to have a hell of a mess on your hands.
As for the "Caldari" whiners out there... they need to buck up... and just adapt.
This also causes major issues with the fact that your so called proposed fee...even at the limitation of a timer... would cause a massive issue with the fact that some of us put some hard earned time into those skills... and its just not fair for us if you can learn one skill...and a pile of little skills... only to learn an another skill that takes several months... only a few hundred million ISK.
In short.. a very loud..and emphatic... hell no.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.14 18:59:00 -
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I like the current system. It punishes people who mindlessly train for FotM, which is great. |
Anig Browl
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Anig Browl on 14/11/2008 22:23:01
Originally by: Drake Draconis
As for the "Caldari" whiners out there... they need to buck up... and just adapt.
QFT.
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This also causes major issues with the fact that your so called proposed fee...even at the limitation of a timer... would cause a massive issue with the fact that some of us put some hard earned time into those skills... and its just not fair for us if you can learn one skill...and a pile of little skills... only to learn an another skill that takes several months... only a few hundred million ISK.
Math fail. Skills train at the same rate whether you're training level 1 or level V. You'd heave to learn a lot of 'little skills' at level 1 to trade them in for a quarter or half a million or more needed to get something else to level V. As in hundreds or thousands.
Thumbs up for idea with some potential.
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:50:00 -
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Like I said in my opening post, the idea needs to be refined...I am a caldari pilot currently skilled for missiles, but I am not worried about the changes, I will figure out a way to adapt like alot of the much older players had to during the years they have been on. I also look forward to cross training into Gallente and Minnie, maybe I will even wonder into Amarr one of these days, it is one of the aspects I enjoy in EVE.
I also agree that planning your training is very important so you dont waste SP on things you won't use, personally I didn't do that and I trained all kinds of crazy things :-P
What if the system was implemented but everytime you unlearned a skill, not only does it cost isk but the player would also lose half of the skill's learned SP due to "Scotty pressed the wrong button" or something. I agree it shouldn't be a scape goat for ill thought out skill training, but for those who really want a change of pace or want to unlearn useless things they trained as noobs and put the SP's toward something useful, I think the players would like that. |
InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: InfamousOne on 14/11/2008 23:15:02
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Again... you forget... and yet you blindly propose like every other foolish "lets unlearn" type proposal.
I'm not quite sure what I forgot, I am sure you will enlighten me in some further post, however, this is not just a "lets unlearn" proposal, I think that unlearning a skill should have a serious drawback, maybe something like what I proposed in my previous post, maybe more stern, like I said it shouldn't be a scapegoat.
I am not even sure why you brought up prereq's everyone knows this and this proposal wouldn't effect this in any way, unless someone tried to unlearn a skill that was a prereq for something else they plan on keeping, in which case you would not be allowed to unlearn it. As far as ship fittings, changing skills to support different fittings would force the user to learn to use those new fittings which could be amusing for some players, frustrating for others.
As far as futzin(I find this word amusing) around with skills, I agree that it could make a mess of the server, but with some of the random stuff CCP comes up with, I don't think it would be to out of place :-P Seriously though, you are right, it could be a DB/scripting nightmare.
I know all about hard earned iskies spent to train skills, I just bought and trained skills for CAP's and bought a Phoenix last week, curious to see how the missile patch will work with it, but its all good...anyway back to the subject. Since there will be a ton of scripting and DB/server side work that would go into this, I would think CCP would come up with some ingenious way to keep that from happening. Maybe put a limit, like you can only transfer SP from one Rank 5 skill to another rank 5 skill, this would generally limit a player from taking a ton of rank 1 skills and transferring them into a higher ranked skill like CAP ship or AWU.
And last, please keep this thread civilized, no need to bash each other, call names, or whine about who got nerfed more then the other, I have yet to see the changes with this latest "expansion" due to me being deployed, but I am not going to be whining about it when I do finally see them, I will just train different skills and adapt, I have the basic skills for minnie and gallente so I am not to worried :-)
edit for spelling, I may have missed some, its been a long day and I haven't had my coffee :-P |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:14:00 -
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There is no maximum level. You can always train any skill you want. Ergo, respecs are not necessary at all. |
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.11.19 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
There is no maximum level. You can always train any skill you want. Ergo, respecs are not necessary at all.
Word.
Quit listening to the Caldari/Minmatar whiners. They just can't adapt so they constantly QQ to CCP so they can afk in missions in more.
--Isaac
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.19 20:04:00 -
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Speak for yourself... I'm quite content to be Minmatar and very pleased with the fixes. |
Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.20 05:31:00 -
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It's a nice idea, but as other posters have already observed, it would be a programming nightmare. Since many skills require other skills, backtracking would cause many more problems than it would solve.
No trolling intended, but maybe you should head back to the drawing board.
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.11.20 21:14:00 -
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not needed imho
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.21 16:54:00 -
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Some very good feed back, I do agree that the programming and scripting would be a nightmare and everyone changing skills would make the DB a bit messy.
Drake, I agree with you, I like the changes, I wouldnt change any of the patches they have released even though I am a caldari pilot, spec'd comletely in missiles :-P I always enjoy new challenges, its what makes a game that is worth playing, not to mention the sexy graphics :-)
Just a thought I wanted to share, not really supported so I withdraw my proposal :-) Maybe I will find something else to suggest that may rally more support, something useful. Thank you all for your comments and fly safe :-). |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:58:00 -
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o7 @ non-bitter caldari pilot.
If anything this has made it more challenging and not so easy to "gank raven" someone.
Adapt....or die.... that's what EVE is very much like.
Time to move on...there's always something new around the corner.
^_^
PS: I'm only semi-content... I'm quickly realizing that Minmatar ships are in need of much loving....
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.22 00:02:00 -
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Hey Drake, don't forget a fresh coat of paint and a wax :-) I am actually interested in cross training into another race or 2, minnie and gallente, goin to train minnie first since you said the need some lovin, but it is as you say...adapt or die, but there is a 3rd option....quit and give me all your stuff :-P....LOL, fly safe.
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